We are slow, Longo must go?

[KPENN]

Notre Dame is 14-2 in their last 16 games, with losses to Alabama and a close game to Michigan in front of the largest home field advantage in the history of college football. Let's try and maintain a tiny bit of perspective. Please.

Again, things are perfect. There are obviously areas we need to improve upon. But in a crazy CFB world where upsets and crazy things happen every week, I will take Ws while attempting to improve. But that's just me.

Stop using logic and stuff.

 

[dmort]

Notre Dame is 14-2 in their last 16 games, with losses to Alabama and a close game to Michigan in front of the largest home field advantage in the history of college football. Let's try and maintain a tiny bit of perspective. Please.

Again, things are perfect. There are obviously areas we need to improve upon. But in a crazy CFB world where upsets and crazy things happen every week, I will take Ws while attempting to improve. But that's just me.

A voice of reason at last !!

 

[ickythump1225]

Notre Dame is 14-2 in their last 16 games, with losses to Alabama and a close game to Michigan in front of the largest home field advantage in the history of college football. Let's try and maintain a tiny bit of perspective. Please.

Again, things aren't perfect. There are obviously areas we need to improve upon. But in a crazy CFB world where upsets and crazy things happen every week, I will take Ws while attempting to improve. But that's just me.

What?? We're going 5-7 this year!!
Thank you for the reasonable post. God this board is almost unbearable right now...and we WON.

 

[aubeirish]

Notre Dame is 14-2 in their last 16 games, with losses to Alabama and a close game to Michigan in front of the largest home field advantage in the history of college football. Let's try and maintain a tiny bit of perspective. Please.

Again, things aren't perfect. There are obviously areas we need to improve upon. But in a crazy CFB world where upsets and crazy things happen every week, I will take Ws while attempting to improve. But that's just me.

This^^. Some people here are acting like spoiled children. It's damn hard to win football games.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

1) We blame the coaches, why is the S/C coach immune from an objective discussion?

2) And many people agreed with me. Trust me.

3) The 3 pages of this thread strongly disagree with this. You're calling names, and just made a shot at me having down syndrome or being a woman with the extra chromosome (IDK enough about biology to be sure). Stuff like this is trolling and is worthy of a ban when it's repetitive, which it clearly is with you.

4) Completely hypercritical, see above comments.

Mods, is there any reason this guys repetitive insults go unpunished? It's time for him to take a break.

1) Obviously I was referring to my past experiences on this sight, I didn't know I had to set constraints with respect to my posting timeline. (Never, ever, had problems on here with anyone)

2) I've never caused any problems. I've been quite, calm, and respectful. You have been calling people out, forming irrational threads, (really? fire longo after three games?), and more importantly, you seem to be constantly stirring stuff up.

I'm cool with people letting anger out after a tough loss or even a close win, but you consistently trying to make your voice heard. It seems you want the attention, you want to form so, so many heated convos. Heated convos happen, but you're letting it happen far too frequently.

I'm cool with you being passionate, but I don't think it's needed for you to consistently police the site (ala you calling for the mods attention right now).

 

[NDohio]

I think the coaches need to just set the D free. There will be mistakes, but there will be plays as well. Sometimes I feel like, on both sides of the ball, there is to much 'system'. At some point you have to let your players play. I don't feel like we do that.

I completely agree with this. I think this is why we often look slower than other teams. Especially defensively - it should be more instinct and less thinking. Let 'em play.

Notre Dame is 14-2 in their last 16 games, with losses to Alabama and a close game to Michigan in front of the largest home field advantage in the history of college football. Let's try and maintain a tiny bit of perspective. Please.

Again, things aren't perfect. There are obviously areas we need to improve upon. But in a crazy CFB world where upsets and crazy things happen every week, I will take Ws while attempting to improve. But that's just me.

I have purposely stayed off this board the last 24 hours because I was afraid it was in full melt down mode even though we are now 2-1. Boggles my mind how some of this fan base can be so critical/negative.

I am just gonna enjoy the win and hope for another against Sparty.

 

[IrishLion]

I completely agree with this. I think this is why we often look slower than other teams. Especially defensively - it should be more instinct and less thinking. Let 'em play.



I have purposely stayed off this board the last 24 hours because I was afraid it was in full melt down mode even though we are now 2-1. Boggles my mind how some of this fan base can be so critical/negative.

I am just gonna enjoy the win and hope for another against Sparty.

Seriously haha, this place is melting down after a close victory over a team (playing at home) that is better than they expected.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Seriously haha, this place is melting down after a close victory over a team (playing at home) that is better than they expected.

Against a team that we barely beat at home last year.

 

[IrishLion]

Against a team that we barely beat at home last year.

I think the problem is that we were far more spoiled than we realized with Theo and Cierre at RB, Manti at LB, and Zeke at S. Though many contributors are back, those holes to be filled are HUGE. It takes more than a game or two to figure these things out sometimes.

Also, that was the type of game that ND loses in years past. I'm trying to stay positive with a team that is 2-1 despite a borderline defensive identity crisis.

 

[Booslum31]

I think the problem is that we were far more spoiled than we realized with Theo and Cierre at RB, Manti at LB, and Zeke at S. Though many contributors are back, those holes to be filled are HUGE. It takes more than a game or two to figure these things out sometimes.

Also, that was the type of game that ND loses in years past. I'm trying to stay positive with a team that is 2-1 despite a borderline defensive identity crisis.

This...I'm right with you!

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I think the problem is that we were far more spoiled than we realized with Theo and Cierre at RB, Manti at LB, and Zeke at S. Though many contributors are back, those holes to be filled are HUGE. It takes more than a game or two to figure these things out sometimes.

Also, that was the type of game that ND loses in years past. I'm trying to stay positive with a team that is 2-1 despite a borderline defensive identity crisis.

This.

 

[ickythump1225]

I completely agree with this. I think this is why we often look slower than other teams. Especially defensively - it should be more instinct and less thinking. Let 'em play.

Reminds me a lot of this:

What Belichick saw was a system of sound principles but one that fell short in allowing players to use those principles to react to what they were seeing in the moments before a snap. Notre Dame's teaching was a bit regimented.

"And that, to me, says everything you need to know about Bill Belichick," Kelly said. "It's not just about scheme, it's about understanding the concept of the game and making those adjustments as the game unfolds.

"With the players, we were a little bit, 'This is your job. Do your job.' Instead of, 'You can do your job.' "

Y! SPORTS
I think part of this comes from BK coming up through the small time ranks and having to coach players of lesser status and talent. He probably had to design a great system and get his players to just play the system. At this level though you need your players to be able to play unrestrained sometimes.

I have purposely stayed off this board the last 24 hours because I was afraid it was in full melt down mode even though we are now 2-1. Boggles my mind how some of this fan base can be so critical/negative.

I am just gonna enjoy the win and hope for another against Sparty.

This.

 

[Irishbounty28]

One of my best friends is a Strength and Conditioning coach for a team in the midwest, I'm not going to put him out there. He started off his career not too long ago with the Baylor Bears. He was an assistant strength and development coordinator for their football program when RGIII won the Heisman.

Basically, through many conversations with him there is an underlying factor in the strength and development of the players, and that is their productivity outside of the weight room.

A strength and conditioning coach the best program imaginable, but if the players do not put in the time and effort there will not be productive gains.

Being a personal trainer myself for a good portion of my career, I know first hand that telling people what to do, and them doing it is two different things. You can ensure they are doing the things right when you are monitoring them, but it is the other 22 or 21 hours in the day that they have to be willing to do it themselves.

The single most important aspect of strength and conditioning is nutrition. This is something that many kids from 18-21 do not take as seriously as they should. You can go in and work your butt off for 2 hours in a day, and then go home and eat nothing but empty carbs and completely negate any gains you could have made.

I guess what I am saying is that more than anything, a strength and conditioning coordinator is most likely implementing an outstnding program, but players may not be holding up their end of the deal when it comes to nutrition.

 

[Irish Insanity]

One of my best friends is a Strength and Conditioning coach for a team in the midwest, I'm not going to put him out there. He started off his career not too long ago with the Baylor Bears. He was an assistant strength and development coordinator for their football program when RGIII won the Heisman.

Basically, through many conversations with him there is an underlying factor in the strength and development of the players, and that is their productivity outside of the weight room.

A strength and conditioning coach the best program imaginable, but if the players do not put in the time and effort there will not be productive gains.

Being a personal trainer myself for a good portion of my career, I know first hand that telling people what to do, and them doing it is two different things. You can ensure they are doing the things right when you are monitoring them, but it is the other 22 or 21 hours in the day that they have to be willing to do it themselves.

The single most important aspect of strength and conditioning is nutrition. This is something that many kids from 18-21 do not take as seriously as they should. You can go in and work your butt off for 2 hours in a day, and then go home and eat nothing but empty carbs and completely negate any gains you could have made.

I guess what I am saying is that more than anything, a strength and conditioning coordinator is most likely implementing an outstnding program, but players may not be holding up their end of the deal when it comes to nutrition.

Great insight.

But, is it Longo's fault we are slow?

 

[Irishbounty28]

Great insight.

But, is it Longo's fault we are slow?

You can train to increase speed and athleticism for sure, which I am sure is something that is being implemented in Notre Dame's program.

All things can be improved upon with proper strength and conditioning. Plyometric and explosive training can be attributed to many gains that players have made throughout their careers.

That being said, it still comes down to the other 22 hours in a day that you are on your own to make the proper decisions based on your developmental goals. Whether it be nutritional, and making the decision between a protein packed meal/bowl of lucky charms, or going to bed at a proper time to ensure you are getting the proper amount of rest.

All things considered, I highly doubt that any lack of speed can be put squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Longo, as it is almost certain that his focus in training is equally focused on both strength and speed development.

 

[koonja]

1) Obviously I was referring to my past experiences on this sight, I didn't know I had to set constraints with respect to my posting timeline. (Never, ever, had problems on here with anyone)

2) I've never caused any problems. I've been quite, calm, and respectful.

You have been calling people out, forming irrational threads, (really? fire longo after three games?), and more importantly, you seem to be constantly stirring stuff up.

I'm cool with people letting anger out after a tough loss or even a close win, but you consistently trying to make your voice heard. It seems you want the attention, you want to form so, so many heated convos. Heated convos happen, but you're letting it happen far too frequently.

I'm cool with you being passionate, but I don't think it's needed for you to consistently police the site (ala you calling for the mods attention right now).

Really? In this thread alone, here are your comments:

"Keuhnja is easily the most annoying person on this board." Then a post that ONLY said "kuehnja is a clown". Then another post that's sole purpose was to call me a woman. You didn't even add anything BUT insults.

It's been 4 years, not 3 games.

Some people aren't mature enough to handle an objective discussion over the internet. Since everyone's tougher on the internet, it's easy for idiots to trash an opinion, and it happens a lot. Not the poster's fault that people get sad/mad/offended.

Not really, I just want to discuss ND football in a respectful manner, and to objectively and intelligently discuss topics and opinions. Something you, NDPhilly, and ThePiombio failed miserably in in this thread.

Fans like you that lose all etiquette just because you're hidden behind a made up username and a keyboard are embarrassing for this site and ND fans in general.

 

[ThePiombino]

Really? In this thread alone, here are your comments:

"Keuhnja is easily the most annoying person on this board." Then a post that ONLY said "kuehnja is a clown". Then another post that's sole purpose was to call me a woman. You didn't even add anything BUT insults.

It's been 4 years, not 3 games.

Some people aren't mature enough to handle an objective discussion over the internet. Since everyone's tougher on the internet, it's easy for idiots to trash an opinion, and it happens a lot. Not the poster's fault that people get sad/mad/offended.

Not really, I just want to discuss ND football in a respectful manner, and to objectively and intelligently discuss topics and opinions. Something you, NDPhilly, and ThePiombio failed miserably in in this thread.

Since you felt the need to bring me back into this...

The only fail in this thread is you. There is NOTHING objective (as you claim) about this thread. The whole point of the thread was to voice your OPINION. Please, enlighten me- how is your opinion OBJECTIVE? Are you confused about the meaning of the word?

Stop creating waves where there doesn't need to be any. Seriously, just go away or STFU. You add NOTHING positive.

 

[koonja]

Since you felt the need to bring me back into this...

The only fail in this thread is you. There is NOTHING objective (as you claim) about this thread. The whole point of the thread was to voice your OPINION. Please, enlighten me- how is your opinion OBJECTIVE? Are you confused about the meaning of the word?

Stop creating waves where there doesn't need to be any. Seriously, just go away or STFU. You add NOTHING positive.

I don't know enough about how a S/C coach is used or how they're reviewed in their annual reviews to objectively talk about them/Longo as fact. That's why I opened this thread so someone who DOES know something about the S/C career can enlighten us all (This is called discussion, in case it's a foreign term to you, NOT "well I don't think like you so you're idea is dumb!" Lol).

I'm not impressed with Longo, but like I said, I don't know exactly what his job entails.

Again, stay classy.

 

[Irishbounty28]

I don't know enough about how a S/C coach is used or how they're reviewed in their annual reviews to objectively talk about them/Longo as fact. That's why I opened this thread so someone who DOES know something about the S/C career can enlighten us all (This is called discussion, in case it's a foreign term to you, NOT "well I don't think like you so you're idea is dumb!" Lol).

I'm not impressed with Longo, but like I said, I don't know exactly what his job entails.

Again, stay classy.

I will say that this thread has stirred up quite the drama.

I cannot say that I agree with the assessment on Mr. Longo, as I have already stated there is much more involved in athletic development than a strength and conditioning coaches plan. I would argue that it is even more difficult to get guys to buy in than most other coaching positions on the staff.

The problem is, like I said before, that 18-22 year olds do not take some of the most important things in athletic training to heart. Whether this be nutrition, rest, etc. Longo is only with them a certain number of hours in a day. He cannot follow them around and make sure they are following the nutritional guidelines, and getting adequate rest.

 

[beryirish]

2005-2009: 35-27

2010-2013: 30-12

the entire coaching staff should be fired.

 

[ThePiombino]

2005-2009: 35-27

2010-2013: 30-12

the entire coaching staff should be fired.

Proof in pudding.

 

[goldandblue]

You can train to increase speed and athleticism for sure, which I am sure is something that is being implemented in Notre Dame's program.

Have a good friend that is a head coach at a High School here in TN. He went to the Alabama coaching clinic this past year and Mike Joseph was there (director of strength and conditioning for WVU Mountaneers). Said friend was asking what he could do to improve the speed of his players and Mr Joseph told him nothing... He said kids are fast or they are not. He said in the amount of time you have to work with them, you may be able to squeeze .03 off their 40 times. He said you can do a little better with footwork and lateral movement but overall kids are either fast or slow from the womb.

 

[koonja]

2005-2009: 35-27

2010-2013: 30-12

the entire coaching staff should be fired.

I understand your point, but I hope the Weis era is not our measuring stick.

I'm just saying, relative to the recruits we get, when do we field a team that is far and away more athletic than the opposition? BYU, Purdue every year, USF, are all teams that can't hold a candle to us in recruiting, and they look as/more athletic than us in a lot of position IMO.

2 of the last 3 years, we've finished with a top 10 class (according to 247).

A few teams that have also finished in the top 10 the last few years: Bama, FSU, Georgia, LSU, OSU, Ole Miss.

All are getting the same caliber recruits we are, but if you watch those teams play, the athleticism team-wide is on another level than NDs.

It's hard to imagine this isn't in some way reflective of the S/C program at those schools, considering the caliber of recruits coming in is as comparable as you can find.

 

[irishpat183]

I actually agree. In fact, this whole coaching staff needs to be questioned.

We are constantly beating our chests about how "great of a class" we have (every year) and how athletic we are....

But teams like Purdue, Temple, and a handful of them last year, are always running with us??

So what gives, IE?!!? Are most of you full of it when it comes to rating our classes (what I believe) or is our coaching staff having a hard time developing this talent?

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

2005-2009: 35-27

2010-2013: 30-12

the entire coaching staff should be fired.

it's more than that though.. they don't pass the eyeball test.. they may be winning these close games vs. inferior opponents, but we're nowhere near where we though we'd be

it's easy to point out the W/L, and to a degree I understand that the record has been good, but I just don't see the improvement.. I don't think we are nearly maximizing our potential, and to me that is something to be concerned about

 

[koonja]

I actually agree. In fact, this whole coaching staff needs to be questioned.

We are constantly beating our chests about how "great of a class" we have (every year) and how athletic we are....

But teams like Purdue, Temple, and a handful of them last year, are always running with us??

So what gives, IE?!!? Are most of you full of it when it comes to rating our classes (what I believe) or is our coaching staff having a hard time developing this talent?

That's already started.

BK/Martin's play calling, BKs personnel matching, and Diaco's lack luster defensive schemes have been a hot topic since Temple (Diaco all of the way back to Navy, 2010).

But if you question the S/C coach? GTFO! Lol.

 

[irishpat183]

That's already started.

BK/Martin's play calling, BKs personnel matching, and Diaco's lack luster defensive schemes have been a hot topic since Temple (Diaco all of the way back to Navy, 2011).

But if you question the S/C coach? GTFO! Lol.

Diaco needs to understand that "Bend but don't break" eventally is going to break. Especially when you don't have the talent to play that style of D.

 

[kmoose]

but we're nowhere near where we though we'd be

maybe the problem is in the expectations, and not the coaching?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Really? In this thread alone, here are your comments:

"Keuhnja is easily the most annoying person on this board." Then a post that ONLY said "kuehnja is a clown". Then another post that's sole purpose was to call me a woman. You didn't even add anything BUT insults.

It's been 4 years, not 3 games.

Some people aren't mature enough to handle an objective discussion over the internet. Since everyone's tougher on the internet, it's easy for idiots to trash an opinion, and it happens a lot. Not the poster's fault that people get sad/mad/offended.

Not really, I just want to discuss ND football in a respectful manner, and to objectively and intelligently discuss topics and opinions. Something you, NDPhilly, and ThePiombio failed miserably in in this thread.

Fans like you that lose all etiquette just because you're hidden behind a made up username and a keyboard are embarrassing for this site and ND fans in general.

Are you really calling well respected users out and calling the embarrassing for this site?

Do me a favor and look at the user "star rating" for this thread.

I'll answer it for you.
It's a one star "terrible" thread.

I have never, ever caused problems on this site. The posters you've mentioned haven't had problems.
Yet, multiple people have asked you many times to calm down.

Why is it multiple people are responding the same way as me? Are we conspiring against you?
No.

We all, independently, have been finding you as a recent annoyance.

You are calling for mods to ban me.

Really? Ban me for explaining my frustration? It's our frustration. It's not just this thread.

You're not a mod, I'm not a mod.
I'm just asking you to relax.
I never have a problem with you in the past, but now it's getting more and more out of hand.

Call me out, I'm fine with that. I'm calling you out. I expect retaliation.

But please, don't bring other respectful posters into this.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

maybe the problem is in the expectations, and not the coaching?

I suppose, but I don't think these other schools that repetitively get top 10 recruiting classes lower their expectations.. why should we be any different? It would be unacceptable for them, and if we want to be on that level, it should be unacceptable for us.. unless we just wanna lie down for everyone and accept our fate as a middling top 25 squad that recruits competitively but can't develop the talent