'12 GA DB Geno Smith (Alabama Verbal)

[Booslum31]

"This is obviously not the kind of behavior we expect from our players," coach Nick Saban said in a statement. "I don't have all of the details at this point and will handle it appropriately once I've had the chance to review the information."

I wonder if they will make this guy sit out of a practice or two because of his bad behavior?

 

[GreenSox04]

I'm sure he will have his players lounge arcade motorcycle license suspended indefinitely.

 

[Buster Bluth]

"This is obviously not the kind of behavior we expect from our players," coach Nick Saban said in a statement. "I don't have all of the details at this point and will handle it appropriately once I've had the chance to review the information."

I wonder if they will make this guy sit out of a practice or two because of his bad behavior?

Please don't tell me you're expecting him to miss the season.

 

[GreenSox04]

Please don't tell me you're expecting him to miss the season.

yeah, lets remember a certain #3 wideout and the punishment he received before we call out saban for whatever punishment he decides to dish out..

 

[Booslum31]

Please don't tell me you're expecting him to miss the season.

No...but something similar to Tommy would be appropriate.

 

[EddytoNow]

"This is obviously not the kind of behavior we expect from our players," coach Nick Saban said in a statement. "I don't have all of the details at this point and will handle it appropriately once I've had the chance to review the information."

I wonder if they will make this guy sit out of a practice or two because of his bad behavior?

I'm not condoning DUI, but the vast majority of college students are guilty of this at some point during their college days, they just don't all get caught. Notre Dame is certainly not immune to this type of behavior.

As a parent of three college-age students, I just hope and pray my own children make wiser choices. I would be naive to think they won't drink, but I can hope they are smart enough not to drive after drinking.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not condoning DUI, but the vast majority of college students are guilty of this at some point during their college days, they just don't all get caught. Notre Dame is certainly not immune to this type of behavior.

As a parent of three college-age students, I just hope and pray my own children make wiser choices. I would be naive to think they won't drink, but I can hope they are smart enough not to drive after drinking.

That's the key. Do they have the smarts? Obviously Smith doesn't.

 

[ScooterIrish]

yeah, lets remember a certain #3 wideout and the punishment he received before we call out saban for whatever punishment he decides to dish out..

You mean a certain WR that was suspended for all of spring camp and couldn't practice with his team to make himself or his team better? His suspension was more than fair given the timing of it.

 

[GreenSox04]

You mean a certain WR that was suspended for all of spring camp and couldn't practice with his team to make himself or his team better? His suspension was more than fair given the timing of it.

floyd was allowed to participate in voluntary summer practice if i remember correctly. and dont think missing spring ball stunted his growth on the field that much...
the timing of the matter is different. floyd, and bk was not faced with missing games from a decision stand point due to the fact of the timing of the incident, my point being who knows whether or not floyd would have missed games, or meaningful games for that matter. And it is impossible to determine that question, so im just saying lets remember this isnt an issue we havent seen here at our program. With that in mind lets not climb all over the penalty if this kid only misses SW Alabama State and a bye week..

 

[T Town Tommy]

I would recommend sitting Smith for at least three games. He needs to understand that his decisions have consequences and that DUI can mean life or death in many circumstances. Saban needs to come down hard, send the message, and then put the responsibility on Smith as to whether he wants to be part of the solution or remain part of the problem. Anything less and I would be disappointed.

 

[irishff1014]

I would recommend sitting Smith for at least three games. He needs to understand that his decisions have consequences and that DUI can mean life or death in many circumstances. Saban needs to come down hard, send the message, and then put the responsibility on Smith as to whether he wants to be part of the solution or remain part of the problem. Anything less and I would be disappointed.

I agree with this statement 100%.

 

[GBdomer]

You mean a certain WR that was suspended for all of spring camp and couldn't practice with his team to make himself or his team better? His suspension was more than fair given the timing of it.

IMO I disagree completely. I am not going to start it up but sometimes Notre Dame players everyone calls them "RKG's". Every program has knuckleheads and to be honest with you Notre Dame is in the news for more player bullshit then any team in the country it seems.Unless your coached by Urban Meyer. Star DE falls asleep at the wheel **** drunk and he misses a quarter. It seemed Michael learned from his mistakes and is a better person, maybe he needed help I am not here to say he did or didn't. Michael Floyd should have missed some games that year is all I am saying.I hope Geno misses some too.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I would recommend sitting Smith for at least three games. He needs to understand that his decisions have consequences and that DUI can mean life or death in many circumstances. Saban needs to come down hard, send the message, and then put the responsibility on Smith as to whether he wants to be part of the solution or remain part of the problem. Anything less and I would be disappointed.

Saban's said several times that he doesn't punish a player just for the sake of punishing them, but to change their behavior. That means that sometimes different players will get very different punishments for the same offense... whatever Saban thinks will work best to change that player's behavior and teach him a lesson. In this case though, I can't see Saban not sitting Geno for at least 3 games, and only letting him play after that if he's shown he understands the seriousness of his actions. Make an example of him and show the team that actions have consequences.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Saban's said several times that he doesn't punish a player just for the sake of punishing them, but to change their behavior. That means that sometimes different players will get very different punishments for the same offense... whatever Saban thinks will work best to change that player's behavior and teach him a lesson. In this case though, I can't see Saban not sitting Geno for at least 3 games, and only letting him play after that if he's shown he understands the seriousness of his actions. Make an example of him and show the team that actions have consequences.

Saban has typically been a hard as* with players that mess up. But this I do know. Six players in trouble since the BCS title game. Four no longer with the team. I don't pretend to know what Saban will do with Smith but sometimes the only way to get someone's attention is to sit them. Smith hasn't been in trouble before so that may dictate some of what Saban does. But I come from the old school of thought... sit them and let them think about what they have done. That will mean more than anything else he could do and the player typically comes out better for it. I don't want the Les Miles or Gene Chizik way of punishing players at Bama. Period.

 

[irishroo]

You mean a certain WR that was suspended for all of spring camp and couldn't practice with his team to make himself or his team better? His suspension was more than fair given the timing of it.

Talkin about practice, man. Floyd's "punishment" was a joke and everyone knows it. He got the spring and summer off, came back, started every game and became a first round pick. BK really showed him.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Saban has typically been a hard as* with players that mess up. But this I do know. Six players in trouble since the BCS title game. Four no longer with the team. I don't pretend to know what Saban will do with Smith but sometimes the only way to get someone's attention is to sit them. Smith hasn't been in trouble before so that may dictate some of what Saban does. But I come from the old school of thought... sit them and let them think about what they have done. That will mean more than anything else he could do and the player typically comes out better for it. I don't want the Les Miles or Gene Chizik way of punishing players at Bama. Period.

Absolutely. I'm 100% with you on this. No player, regardless of how talented, is above the team or doing what's right. It's never worth it in the long run to go easy on a player who screws up, just because he's talented or you need him. Down the road, it comes back to bite you 10 times over in a loss of discipline with the rest of the team. We definitely don't want to take the same approach that Miles, Chizik and Urban tried.

I'm from the old school too on this. Namath's always said Bear slapping the hell out of him and then suspending him from the bowl game when he caught him drunk in public was absolutely the right call and made him grow up. Saban's got that same hard-nosed, old-school, no nonsense approach to discipline. I expect to see him put it into practice with Geno.

BTW, what happened with DePriest? I'm assuming he missed a final or didn't complete his coursework in a class, but don't really know. Any insight?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Absolutely. I'm 100% with you on this. No player, regardless of how talented, is above the team or doing what's right. It's never worth it in the long run to go easy on a player who screws up, just because he's talented or you need him. Down the road, it comes back to bite you 10 times over in a loss of discipline with the rest of the team. We definitely don't want to take the same approach that Miles, Chizik and Urban tried.

I'm from the old school too on this. Namath's always said Bear slapping the hell out of him and then suspending him from the bowl game when he caught him drunk in public was absolutely the right call and made him grow up. Saban's got that same hard-nosed, old-school, no nonsense approach to discipline. I expect to see him put it into practice with Geno.

BTW, what happened with DePriest? I'm assuming he missed a final or didn't complete his coursework in a class, but don't really know. Any insight?

He was caught at Taco Bell drive in at 2:30 am. Saban suspended him for a week for breaking curfew and eating junk food. He should be back this week sometime. lol

 

[Praytorian]

Must admit Saban has the depth to be a hardass with his players. If we like him or not, he is a great coach, if you think otherwise check the track record.

 

[chubler]

I actually prefer the way BK handled Floyd to Saban's "harda** approach", assuming my understanding of the situation was correct. I was told Floyd was legitimately contrite, he was given a set of requirements to make it back on the team and suspended indefinitely until those requirements were fulfilled. By all accounts, he cleaned up his act and became a better person for it. He may have gotten too many chances, but setting expectations and giving a clear reward if they're met and a clear punishment if they're not teaches young men a lot more about life than simply getting rid of them. It's teaching a person instead of jettisoning a problem.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I actually prefer the way BK handled Floyd to Saban's "harda** approach", assuming my understanding of the situation was correct. I was told Floyd was legitimately contrite, he was given a set of requirements to make it back on the team and suspended indefinitely until those requirements were fulfilled. By all accounts, he cleaned up his act and became a better person for it. He may have gotten too many chances, but setting expectations and giving a clear reward if they're met and a clear punishment if they're not teaches young men a lot more about life than simply getting rid of them. It's teaching a person instead of jettisoning a problem.

I agree with you mostly. I'm all for the harda$$ disciplinarian approach from coaches most of the time, but every player and situation is different and there are exceptions. As I mentioned above, even Saban says he doesn't punish just to punish. The point is to do what will work best in changing a player's behavior and get the rest of the team's attention. Sometimes a different approach is appropriate. I have no problem with BK and how he handled Floyd. By all accounts, Floyd met the conditions set forth for him and became a better man. Whatever works.

 

[irishff1014]

The bad thing about Floyd is that he had already been in trouble twice for under age drinking before this. He should have missed a minimum of one game.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm not condoning DUI, but the vast majority of college students are guilty of this at some point during their college days, they just don't all get caught. Notre Dame is certainly not immune to this type of behavior.

As a parent of three college-age students, I just hope and pray my own children make wiser choices. I would be naive to think they won't drink, but I can hope they are smart enough not to drive after drinking.

I think a big problem is that people don't realize just how little beer it takes to make you have a .08 BAC. It's like 3.5 beers for an average man. I once left a shady situation in Tiffin, OH once and got pulled over and blew a .078 and felt completely fine. I was stunned. No OVI for me, but it was a lesson I immediately began telling all of my friends. You can feel totally fine, and in my opinion actually be fine, to drive and not be a bigger danger to drivers than you would be if you were simply tired or angry or eating or talking on the phone or texting or navigating or bad at driving or etc...and be >.08. Gotta be informed!

We had some fellows during my grand jury time who were on like their 6th and 7th OVI, respectfully. Dudes needed to be thrown in jail for years on end.

 

[GreenSox04]

Sounds like he's getting a game..

 

[T Town Tommy]

Sounds like he's getting a game..

Yep. Not enough IMO but it is what it is. I hope he learns his lesson.

 

[RuntheBall]

Sounds like he's getting a game..

What's their second game... oh its A&M. The only tough game before LSU.

 

[MNIrishman]

When it comes to nonviolent things like this that have the potential for a lot more to go wrong in the future than just a simple run-in with the cops, I support the schools and coaches doing what is right for the player. Being kicked out of school or any other extremely severe punishment for a first offense is overreaction; the behavior needs correction not punishment so he can learn and not repeat in the future. In many cases for these players, football serves as a carrot to dangle for motivation. If you take that away entirely, then the player may not follow the path laid out for him.


Initially, I thought Floyd should have been kicked off the team and expelled. However, the university dealt with him like a student and not a football player, while Kelly decided to do what was best for Floyd's future. I have to admit I was wrong. Floyd appears to have turned his life around, and in hindsight the university made the right call. I hope for a similar outcome of betterment in all such cases. Indeed, such betterment of the wholistic individual is a large reason universities became host to athletic activities in the first place.

 

[irishff1014]

He will be suspended for the season opener against VT.

 

[clashmore_jon]

https://twitter.com/jzenor/status/369926116712407040

hmmmm...

 

[Anchorman]

https://twitter.com/jzenor/status/369926116712407040

hmmmm...

I think most people practice while suspended for games. I seem to recall Tommy/Cierre doing so though could be wrong.

 

[RuntheBall]

https://twitter.com/jzenor/status/369926116712407040

hmmmm...

practicing with the walkons (greyshirts) apparently.