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irishpat183 said:
A. GZ did not invoke the Stand your ground law....Instant loss of crediblity for the author and anyone else talking about SYG in this case. Talk about not doing your homework.

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Some would argue that the reason Zimmerman was set free the night of the shooting is because the police didn't think they could overcome his story because of the stand your ground laws. Although it wasn't claimed during the trial, it may well have some significance prior to the arrest.
 
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Cackalacky said:
I believe they don't need the feds and can have a state civil trial, which is perfectly legal. Your point is moot. The DOJ are not nazis. Now the Martins may choose to go outside of Sanford to pursue and I have seen the NAACP wants the feds to pursue hate crime charges but I don't think Holder will.

A violation of civil rights is not a feeling or an emotion.
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It is these days......


And my problem isn't with the family persuing a civil trial, but the DOJ getting involved. If they do, they are ACTING like nazis. This is not how our justice system is supposed to work. There is no place for the federal government in this case. Simply because the media and race baiters are not satisfied with the outcome the goernment is now looking to charge him??


And GZ will have some civil suits of his own. This circus is far from over. It's now gonna be a money grab.
 
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It is these days......


And my problem isn't with the family persuing a civil trial, but the DOJ getting involved. If they do, they are ACTING like nazis. This is not how our justice system is supposed to work. There is no place for the federal government in this case. Simply because the media and race baiters are not satisfied with the outcome the goernment is now looking to charge him??


And GZ will have some civil suits of his own. This circus is far from over. It's now gonna be a money grab.
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Oy vey.........
 
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GoIrish41 said:
Some would argue that the reason Zimmerman was set free the night of the shooting is because the police didn't think they could overcome his story because of the stand your ground laws. Although it wasn't claimed during the trial, it may well have some significance prior to the arrest.
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I don't give a damn what "some may argue".....Was it invoked in the trial?


Then there is no significance.
 
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I have some really funny, but distasteful, memes about this case.....

I want to post.....but I'm sure it will be the end of this.


If I have to ask that question, probably not a good idea, correct?
 
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irishpat183 said:
I have some really funny, but distasteful, memes about this case.....

I want to post.....but I'm sure it will be the end of this.

If I have to ask that question, probably not a good idea, correct?
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irishpat183 said:
I have some really funny, but distasteful, memes about this case.....

I want to post.....but I'm sure it will be the end of this.


If I have to ask that question, probably not a good idea, correct?
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was the Nazi one the least distasteful? What kinda sh*t you into Pat? hahaha
 
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irishpat183 said:
I don't give a damn what "some may argue".....Was it invoked in the trial?


Then there is no significance.
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The trial is over. We're just a bunch of guys talking now. This morning the topic was "outrage" and what I posted was the souce of much of that outrage. It doesn't matter that it was not used in trial, the point is that it very well could have come into play before the trial.
 
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Cackalacky said:
I believe they don't need the feds and can have a state civil trial, which is perfectly legal. Your point is moot. The DOJ are not nazis. Now the Martins may choose to go outside of Sanford to pursue and I have seen the NAACP wants the feds to pursue hate crime charges but I don't think Holder will.

A violation of civil rights is not a feeling or an emotion.
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15 yard penalty at the spot of the Nazi usage. Repeat First down.
 
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FearTheBeard said:
See, i dont think its wrong for Zimmerman to be suspicious of someone out in the neighborhood at night after the break ins. I feel as if TM would have just answered his questions or talk with Zimmerman to explain what hes doing then it would have been OK. If someone tried to stop you in your neighborhood to ask what youre doing you could talk it out, i dont see why it would be necessary to tell someone to get away or to attack them.
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And it shouldn't be wrong for TM to be suspicious of someone following him, and for him to confront him as to why.

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He was walking home, high as kite, eating his skittles and sippin on some lean, casing houses to rob,....See how I can change the feel of this as well to suit GZ's side?

And there is nothing "implausible" about GZ's story. You just don't believe him because of your poltical affliation and what the news has been telling you. The same news that was proven to be irresponsible from the begining. Sorry if you're the one with the crediblity issue now.

And that's what it breaks down too.
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Posts like these are ridiculous at best. You don't get to dictate for him why he does or doesn't believe anything to do with this story or if his political affiliation has anything to do with it. I understand seeing one side, or the other. But making pure BS posts such as this to attack another poster is what takes this thread from a discussion and leads it to an argument.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
And it shouldn't be wrong for TM to be suspicious of someone following him, and for him to confront him as to why.



Posts like these are ridiculous at best. You don't get to dictate for him why he does or doesn't believe anything to do with this story or if his political affiliation has anything to do with it. I understand seeing one side, or the other. But making pure BS posts such as this to attack another poster is what takes this thread from a discussion and leads it to an argument.
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I agree with most of this, but, if you could, please define the word "Confront" for me.
 
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Woneone said:
I agree with most of this, but, if you could, please define the word "Confront" for me.
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Simply asking what GZ is up too. Nothing more or less. Hell he could even have asked as he continued to walk away. A simple "Hey man, why you following me?"
 
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irishpat183 said:
A. GZ did not invoke the Stand your ground law....Instant loss of crediblity for the author and anyone else talking about SYG in this case. Talk about not doing your homework.

B. "Roman found that the killings of black people by whites were more likely to be considered justified than the killings of white people by blacks. " As you stated, this means nothing other than what it says. Maybe it's becuase in those cases....they were actually justified? Just because statistics favor one group over another, doesn't mean there is anything else too it. The goal is not to be "fair", but to get it right. He mentions as much. And I'm not arguing the numbers at all, but it's hard to be sympathic if we don't know the circumstances. Articles like this boardline the irresponsible.

C. This proves the agenda that is being pushed by the MSM and race baiters...even though SYG has nothing to do with this particular case, SYG is being referenced constantly by these blowhards looking to kill the law.
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I knew what your response was going to be a month ago...I literally almost said for not to read it LOL...

I think the author did a good/decent job of noting that what he provided may not necessarily tell the whole story, but I think it's meant to get people thinking, and by people I mean rational people...If y'all couldn't tell I'm black...My best friend is a white, LAPD officer. His brother in-law is a sheriff for LA county whose family has no problem displaying their racial bias, even if in front of me...To them, I don't fit what they see as "black". I mean, to a certain degree it is kinda true that we all have been racially biased (or still are). Doesn't necessarily mean we are bad people. Whether it be based on an experience first-hand or to someone you knowt the way you were raised or jus, we've all felt that way. Now, I've never been a race baiter...but I feel that it isn't necessarily a bad thing to question or bring up the topic of racial bias. I'm in no way saying the jurors in this case certainly are...but why can't the question be asked, "Why were jurors so able to accept GZ's story as the "truth" with TM being the aggressor?" Why is GZ's actions seen as being (paraphrasing) "over the top, but good-hearted in nature?" I feel as though race can/should be discussed in a proper way. But the moment race is brought up, those on one side seem to take the opposite side as "race baiters"...There needs to be this dialouge without both sides getting up in arms and I feel that we are all capable of doing that here...Questioning isn't the same as accusing.

There was a more interesting article on just how random "justifiable homicide" rulings are to show that the law is interpreted different ways in different cases...Also, that the number of self-defense claims since the law has been on the books has drastically increased. As for the media, this is the same media that on your local nightly news is more likely to highlight the crime done by minorities with greater frequency than those that aren't...Couldn't one then, unaware to themselves, be susceptible to developing racial bias based on watching the news??? Rant over
 
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Irish Insanity said:
And it shouldn't be wrong for TM to be suspicious of someone following him, and for him to confront him as to why.



Posts like these are ridiculous at best. You don't get to dictate for him why he does or doesn't believe anything to do with this story or if his political affiliation has anything to do with it. I understand seeing one side, or the other. But making pure BS posts such as this to attack another poster is what takes this thread from a discussion and leads it to an argument.
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Dude, you're like 9 million posts too late. We've had plenty of arguments...LOL

Read what lead up to that, otherwise, move along..show's over. Rhode made it very clear his stance and I'm pointing out that because of the absence of FACTS, and the media's f**k-job on GZ with shotty reporting...there is just no other way that someone could have that view and not be tainted by the likes of MSNBC and the rest of the MSM.

I wasn't attacking him because I have anything against him personally, just his view on this particular issue.
 
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