ND & Michigan done after 2014

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Whiskeyjack said:
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Your list, trinity... who's at the top of it this year? We've been dying to know.
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I got one trust me.. Peppers is on it really just stoked with the past three yrs of guys ND has signed.
 
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Wolverine1997 said:
1 seed minnesota lost in the first round in a semi-upset to Yale (semi because Yale would later win it all) and wisconsin got destroyed in the first round.

The most impressive team was PSU. PSU was in their first season of Division I NCAA Hockey and they knocked off half of the B1G in their first season. Beat ohio in Pittsburgh, state and wisconsin on the road. That is really impressive.
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Trouble with college hockey is that, in any one game, the sport is so random.
And a one-loss-and-out setup like you have in the NCAA tourney, or even the later rounds of the CCHA tournament, can mean a really good regular season goes up in smoke because your opponent scores a cheap goal, has a decent goalie and sits back playing defense all night. The best team often doesn't win.
But of course that means it's always competitive, and fun to watch.

Either way, isn't the CCHA toast now? It's too bad. I grew up watching Hockey East and it's a great conference. But ND-Michigan in hockey was a great rivalry, and playing the likes of OSU and Sparty was fun, too. Proximity breeds hatred, especially in a parochial sport like hockey. Hopping in with BU and BC and Maine and UNH, great as they are, just won't be the same.
 
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Trouble with college hockey is that, in any one game, the sport is so random.
And a one-loss-and-out setup like you have in the NCAA tourney, or even the later rounds of the CCHA tournament, can mean a really good regular season goes up in smoke because your opponent scores a cheap goal, has a decent goalie and sits back playing defense all night. The best team often doesn't win.
But of course that means it's always competitive, and fun to watch.

Either way, isn't the CCHA toast now? It's too bad. I grew up watching Hockey East and it's a great conference. But ND-Michigan in hockey was a great rivalry, and playing the likes of OSU and Sparty was fun, too. Proximity breeds hatred, especially in a parochial sport like hockey. Hopping in with BU and BC and Maine and UNH, great as they are, just won't be the same.
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What about the Falcons, don't write BG off yet!
 
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stlnd01 said:
Trouble with college hockey is that, in any one game, the sport is so random.
And a one-loss-and-out setup like you have in the NCAA tourney, or even the later rounds of the CCHA tournament, can mean a really good regular season goes up in smoke because your opponent scores a cheap goal, has a decent goalie and sits back playing defense all night. The best team often doesn't win.
But of course that means it's always competitive, and fun to watch.

Either way, isn't the CCHA toast now? It's too bad. I grew up watching Hockey East and it's a great conference. But ND-Michigan in hockey was a great rivalry, and playing the likes of OSU and Sparty was fun, too. Proximity breeds hatred, especially in a parochial sport like hockey. Hopping in with BU and BC and Maine and UNH, great as they are, just won't be the same.
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ND got the right guy to coach their program. They used to be automatic wins for a long time. They have been a real pain in the *** since 2006-07.
 
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From Lou at BGI:

Michigan AD David Brandon had an interview with Chris Balas at our sister publication The Wolverine. The final paragraph of the story was this: "Brandon added he loved the Notre Dame rivalry but said he didn't expect home and homes with the Irish to be added back to the schedule for at least 10 to 12 years at the earliest."
 
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I must say that I am upset by this news. I understand the viewpoint of the rivalry not doing much for us in recruiting(theoretically) as opposed to a Texas per se. However, this game is more than that imo. It is two states battling, two storied traditions, two midwest powerhouses that have created a great series. I think the nostalgia of this game for the fans, the past players and the future ones is something that in my mind should warrant this series to stay in place.

I also think indirectly, we battle with Michigan for recruits and as they become more of a national recruiter as they have the past couple of seasons(New Jersey) comes to mind, we will have much more of an advantage if we are beating them down every year as opposed to them going 9+ wins every season because their schedule allows it.

As a fan...Get these ****ing guys back on the schedule!!:clover:
 
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adsnorri said:
I must say that I am upset by this news. I understand the viewpoint of the rivalry not doing much for us in recruiting(theoretically) as opposed to a Texas per se. However, this game is more than that imo. It is two states battling, two storied traditions, two midwest powerhouses that have created a great series. I think the nostalgia of this game for the fans, the past players and the future ones is something that in my mind should warrant this series to stay in place.

I also think indirectly, we battle with Michigan for recruits and as they become more of a national recruiter as they have the past couple of seasons(New Jersey) comes to mind, we will have much more of an advantage if we are beating them down every year as opposed to them going 9+ wins every season because their schedule allows it.

As a fan...Get these ****ing guys back on the schedule!!:clover:
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Exactly. The team that taught the other team how to play. Then the other team beating them at their own game. Our stadiums forever linked. Too much history here to dismiss regardless of the small record between us.
 
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Good read. Knew some of that from books and such, but not all of it. Thanks for sharing that.
 
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ARALOU said:
Good read. Knew some of that from books and such, but not all of it. Thanks for sharing that.
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No problem. History suggests that we have no business playing the skunkbears. It's to THEIR benefit to play us. It might be the only 'national' game they play any year (obviously playing Bama isn't going to happen often).
 
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That article only makes me want to beat them even more. I understand not wanting to provide any ratings or revenue to their program but if we continously beat them... we will slowly devalue their brand. At the same time osu will be waxing their *** every year. Would love to beat them up...I mean badly. Like run the score up badly. Just my opinion.
 
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That article only makes me want to beat them even more. I understand not wanting to provide any ratings or revenue to their program but if we continously beat them... we will slowly devalue their brand. At the same time osu will be waxing their *** every year. Would love to beat them up...I mean badly. Like run the score up badly. Just my opinion.
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Haha! This conversation is getting me pumped up at 8 in the morning in my cubicle because I know this game coming up in Sept. is going to be the last in a while. Night Game. Nat. Champion runner-up, Hoke calling us out in the off-season, recruiting wars, now this info!! You can bet your *** i'll be there! BTW, Rack em...your avatar is ****ing awesome.
 
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I've made it a personal mission to inform the masses that skunkbear traditions are rooted in bigotry. It's disgraceful.
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You want some real ammunition? Research the Wolverine Athletic Club. My great uncles used to talk about what it was like walking around certain areas of Detroit as an Irish Catholic around the turn of the century (nineteenth to twentieth), nearly when the narrative you linked, began. Rockne's talk of the KKK wasn't off. Some of these guys were animals. Check out the Black Legion; this stuff is to fantastic to be made up.
 
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I agree this move makes Michigan so much less relevant. I have read that article, printed it out, and laminated it, so my kid and their kids will always be able to understand.
 
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Its scary being on the opposing teams sideline vs UM. This is what you see:

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IrishLax said:
I've been hearing the same buzz for months too. Not with detail on who Michigan might schedule, but that Michigan was going to try to cancel the return trip to ND in '14. This seemed amenable to ND because we need to drop one more team somewhere to accommodate the ACC schedule for that year.

This is what made the "chickening out" comments really odd, ridiculous, and head scratching. Michigan called in the first place to get out of the '18/'19 games. ND agreed without any rhetoric. Brandon makes public comments about likely having to drop ND with the 9 game conference schedule. Everyone was on the same page at this point... understanding the difficulty of OOC scheduling with conference realignment.

ND exercises the out clause to terminate '15-'17 because we knew we were about to have scheduling constrictions and didn't want to be locked into anything... a break was already scheduled with MSU; and Purdue is quite up in the air. Basically, all of our current arrangements with the Big Ten are in limbo and this was the easiest one... because of the specific out clause... to handle up front. Once ND joined ACC and details came out, I heard more than a couple places that Michigan in '14 was likely to get dropped in addition to ASU to make room. Why? Because Michigan wouldn't want to make the return trip and ND needs to get out of another game somewhere so it's a pretty logical match. But then Hoke goes and runs his mouth? Makes it seem like he hasn't been clued into everything OR maybe it was just brilliant posturing? Paint ND as the "chickens" so that if you win this year you can drop ND and replace us with a "better" opponent at home (Brandon loves his home games!) and the entire fan base laps it up as straight truth. I can see a whole bunch of Walmart Wolverines running around "Hah! We showed you! AND we're dropping you because you're not GOOD enough for us! But you dropped us because you're SCARED!" It'll potentially be unbearable.

The question becomes what if ND wins? Now Hokes comments make it really... interesting... to back out of the game then. Maybe they still go ahead and do it and the real genius is that by calling ND "chickens" first you're effectively preemptively saving face.

It's too bad that ND... by virtue of having no film at all on Michigan and the new offense with Gardner... probably gets beat this year as the D gives up 21+. At least that's what I'm predicting. Film = gameplan = big advantage.
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My Google skills are failing me. Do you know a source for either of the bolded? Sorry for the blast from the past @IrishLax

Arguing with a dumbass Michigan fan.
 
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