'14 IA WR Allen Lazard (Iowa State Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

While we are talking education can somone fill me in on what this is?

“@TJamesNDI: This NCAA database list #NotreDame football's APR at 973 for 11-12 school year. NCAA - Academic Progress Rate "

“@TJamesNDI: Football programs listed with better APR scores than #NotreDame for 11-12 include #Bama, #OhioState, #Miami, #Stanford, #Clemson, #Wisconsin”

this is the most flawed system...i could have a class and pass in basket weaving and would hold the same weight as if i had taken some kind of trig/ calculus etc

staying in school and one eligibility point for being academically eligible. A team’s total points are divided by points possible and then multiplied by one thousand to equal the team’s Academic Progress Rate score.

 

[WestCoast]

While we are talking education can somone fill me in on what this is?

“@TJamesNDI: This NCAA database list #NotreDame football's APR at 973 for 11-12 school year. NCAA - Academic Progress Rate "

“@TJamesNDI: Football programs listed with better APR scores than #NotreDame for 11-12 include #Bama, #OhioState, #Miami, #Stanford, #Clemson, #Wisconsin”

The APR is Academic Progress Rate. It is the self esteem movement for college sports, designed to help the "stupid" schools like Alabama, Ohio State, Miami and Clemson feel better about themselves and gloss over just how poorly they take educating scholarship athletes.

I don't have time, nor care, to look up each schools' numbers, but I don't know how (other than Stanford) anyone in that list can claim to take academics or graduation rates as seriously as ND. (Actually, I do know. Urban Meyer one year at Florida claimed to have a 100% grad rate. What he meant was, that year 100% of the seniors on the roster in the fall graduated. Nevermind there were only 12 of them left out of a class of 22 that were signed when recruited. So in other words, they lie.)

The only numbers that should matter to a recruit are how many (what percentage) of athletes like me in my sport do you actually graduate? ND graduates 95%+ of its football scholarship athletes and 100% of its African-american football athletes on a yearly basis, all while requiring them to take real classes like calculus and real majors.

I don't know what those other schools' APRs are, but I know they are not just shy of graduating 100% of their football athletes.

myNotreDame - ND Ranks First Both in BCS, Grad Success Rates

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>APR scores you on 1. not dropping out & 2. staying eligible. This is like grading a restaurant for 1. not killing people & 2. having plates.</p>— sir broosk (@celebrityhottub) <a href="https://twitter.com/celebrityhottub/statuses/344535759514107906">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[bibigon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>APR scores you on 1. not dropping out & 2. staying eligible. This is like grading a restaurant for 1. not killing people & 2. having plates.</p>— sir broosk (@celebrityhottub) <a href="https://twitter.com/celebrityhottub/statuses/344535759514107906">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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In the world of college football, that's not nothing.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

In the world of college football, that's not nothing.

It is when it doesn't adjust for having to take real classes and real majors.

 

[bibigon]

It is when it doesn't adjust for having to take real classes and real majors.

But it's also valuable to have your students stay eligible and not drop out. Telling half the picture is better than no picture at all.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

But it's also valuable to have your students stay eligible and not drop out. Telling half the picture is better than no picture at all.

Again, the restaurant analogy is apropos. It's like Checker's slogan "You gotta eat." Well literally yes I must eat and even though the food is ****** and I will not satisfy me long term, I will eat Checker's out of biological necessity. To play NCAA athletics one must literally not drop out and must stay eligible. A player can stay eligible by taking a University Studies major complete with a Physical Ed course, a coaching course, and basket weaving but this is not cause for celebration.

BTW, we just got a QB so later dude

 

[BeauBenken]

But it's also valuable to have your students stay eligible and not drop out. Telling half the picture is better than no picture at all.

It's like showing just a picture of a penis from the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel though...

 

[irishog77]

But it's also valuable to have your students stay eligible and not drop out. Telling half the picture is better than no picture at all.

Right. Ray Lewis became a true role model when he finally told the truth about his buddies, the murderers.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

But it's also valuable to have your students stay eligible and not drop out. Telling half the picture is better than no picture at all.

That way they can have a great job at McDonalds when their playing days are done.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

While we are talking education can somone fill me in on what this is?

There have been some good posts on this already, but I'll toss in my 2c. The APR rewards schools merely for keeping athletes eligible. And as the academic scandal at UNC so aptly demonstrated, there are no external checks on the legitimacy of an athlete's course work. Thus, players get pushed into squishy majors, take fake classes, have tutors write their papers for them, etc.

Schools can basically set their APR at whatever they want. It's a meaningless statistic. GSR is the gold standard.

 

[Cackalacky]

You're kidding, right?

Something like educational quality is ephemeral concept that obviously people are going to have disagreements. When you get into regional differences (I bet you a Miami degree gets you further in Coral Gables than a Notre Dame degree), this isn't very surprising at all.

A Notre Dame degree gets you in anywhere you want.

Now a Miami degree versus a Florida or Florida State degree, you might have some issues in Coral Gables.

 

[Cackalacky]

There have been some good posts on this already, but I'll toss in my 2c. The APR rewards schools merely for keeping athletes eligible. And as the academic scandal at UNC so aptly demonstrated, there are no external checks on the legitimacy of an athlete's course work. Thus, players get pushed into squishy majors, take fake classes, have tutors write their papers for them, etc.

Schools can basically set their APR at whatever they want. It's a meaningless statistic. GSR is the gold standard.

Do you mean like the General Studies program at Ann Arbor?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Do you mean like the General Studies program at Ann Arbor?

And let's not forget their elite Kinesiology program.

 

[GreenSox04]

Technology, treadmills and a one of a kind workout approach has ISU transforming its football players | Ames Tribune

maybe Lazard prefers being strapped into a treadmill rather then a degree

 

[IrishLax]

You're kidding, right?

Something like educational quality is ephemeral concept that obviously people are going to have disagreements. When you get into regional differences (I bet you a Miami degree gets you further in Coral Gables than a Notre Dame degree), this isn't very surprising at all.

This is exactly the kind of apologist BS that I'm talking about. Like I said... yes, you can get a good education at one of those schools. It follows that it can also be valuable to you. And you can be quite successful.

To try to reason that for the normal student in a normal situation any of those schools are "better" than Notre Dame is, at best, completely ignorant. At worst, it's intellectually dishonest. Like I said... do you see Notre Dame people ever running around trying to say they're "better" than Princeton, etc. ranked above them? No?

Yet I've seen more than a handful of people from the aforementioned schools fight tooth and nail to assert that their school > ND... when by every objective educational metric out there for undergraduate education, they aren't even close.

So no... I'm sure as hell not "kidding" when I state something that should be a commonly accepted fact. And I'm really tired of other fans/schools selling falsehoods to prospective student athletes just to get them to win games for them. How many times has USC claimed that they are "#1" in whatever program a recruit wants?

It's also why I can't stand the APR... a metric that encourages schools to enroll athletes in joke majors and keep them eligible with no emphasis at all on actually getting those athletes a degree.

And with that, back to Lazard.........

 

[Redbar]

This is exactly the kind of apologist BS that I'm talking about. Like I said... yes, you can get a good education at one of those schools. It follows that it can also be valuable to you. And you can be quite successful.

To try to reason that for the normal student in a normal situation any of those schools are "better" than Notre Dame is, at best, completely ignorant. At worst, it's intellectually dishonest. Like I said... do you see Notre Dame people ever running around trying to say they're "better" than Princeton, etc. ranked above them? No?

Yet I've seen more than a handful of people from the aforementioned schools fight tooth and nail to assert that their school > ND... when by every objective educational metric out there for undergraduate education, they aren't even close.

So no... I'm sure as hell not "kidding" when I state something that should be a commonly accepted fact. And I'm really tired of other fans/schools selling falsehoods to prospective student athletes just to get them to win games for them.j How many times has USC claimed that they are "#1" in whatever program a recruit wants?

It's also why I can't stand the APR... a metric that encourages schools to enroll athletes in joke majors and keep them eligible with no emphasis at all on actually getting those athletes a degree.

And with that, back to Lazard.........

Then had Professor Orgeron call them a MFer for actually actually trying to attend those classes.

 

[jimmymac]

This is exactly the kind of apologist BS that I'm talking about. Like I said... yes, you can get a good education at one of those schools. It follows that it can also be valuable to you. And you can be quite successful.

To try to reason that for the normal student in a normal situation any of those schools are "better" than Notre Dame is, at best, completely ignorant. At worst, it's intellectually dishonest. Like I said... do you see Notre Dame people ever running around trying to say they're "better" than Princeton, etc. ranked above them? No?

Yet I've seen more than a handful of people from the aforementioned schools fight tooth and nail to assert that their school > ND... when by every objective educational metric out there for undergraduate education, they aren't even close.

So no... I'm sure as hell not "kidding" when I state something that should be a commonly accepted fact. And I'm really tired of other fans/schools selling falsehoods to prospective student athletes just to get them to win games for them. How many times has USC claimed that they are "#1" in whatever program a recruit wants?

It's also why I can't stand the APR... a metric that encourages schools to enroll athletes in joke majors and keep them eligible with no emphasis at all on actually getting those athletes a degree.

And with that, back to Lazard.........

Reps on reps on reps

Edit: apparently I can't rep you anymore until I spread it out lol

 

[Irishnuke]

So when is he flipping?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

So when is he flipping?

^this

 

[Irishnuke]

From some Iowa newspaper.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...-Iowa-State-recruit-?Frontpage&nclick_check=1

He saw Touchdown Jesus and the historic football stadium. He walked around the locker room and players’ lounge.

A day after returning from an unofficial recruiting visit to BCS championship game finalist Notre Dame, Allen Lazard has this bit of advice for antsy Iowa State fans:

“Don’t worry,” he said Tuesday. “I’m definitely still committed to Iowa State.”

Lazard, the Urbandale senior-to-be who one recruiting service says is the nation’s top high school receiver, remains true to his verbal scholarship commitment.

When 2014 practice starts in Ames, he reiterated he will be there with the rest of coach Paul Rhoads’ recruiting class. He’s not exploring his options – he’s exploring.

“Just because I want to see some other places doesn’t mean I’m not going to Iowa State,” he said. “I’m committed.”

His Irish tour guides were former Iowa State assistants Bob Elliott and Tony Alford, both Notre Dame assistants.

“It wasn’t a hard sell,” said Lazard, the No. 25 high school prospect in the nation, according to Rivals.com. “They showed me around.”

Among the stops was a weight-training facility that he said ranks somewhere behind the facility he will call a second home after becoming a Cyclone.

“Definitely, Iowa State’s is better,” Lazard said. “Everything’s new. Coach (Yancy) McKnight – he’s the best. He does a great job.”

Lazard isn’t finished traveling. He’s going to Iowa City this weekend to participate in an AAU basketball tournament; he is going to a football camp in Eugene, Ore., in July; and then to Florida for more basketball.

“I just can’t give that sport up,” Lazard said.

He knows conspiracy theorists will say that his traveling means he’s not 100 percent committed to Iowa State.

“I don’t know how else to get my point across,” Lazard said. “I’m committed to Iowa State.”

Until he isn't.

 

[Damion704]

Reminds me of Darby, greenberry, Shepard etc...

 

[koonja]

If he loves ISU that much, so be it. Kudos to him for sticking with his commitment even though the big dogs are barking.

 

[GreenSox04]

I just realized he's 6'5... Want want want.

Give us an OV mr Lazard,

If you'd still like to be a tropical storm in the middle of the country, then go for it.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I think his recruitment is far from over.

 

[irishfan]

Obviously hope he ends up at ND, but good for him if he stays at ISU. I'd definitely root for him there.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Our weight-training facilities aren't as good as Iowa States?

 

[Irishnuke]

I just think one day he's going to realize, "holy shits, I'm committed to Iowa State," followed by a decommitment.

Can't be mad at a kid for wanting to play for his home team though, even if they've always been terrible and will never be good.

 

[STLDomer]

Talking with the coaches about OV for the OU or USC game per Rivals.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Iowa st offer..... No chance