'10 OH QB Andrew Hendrix (Notre Dame Signee)

[Old Man Mike]

There's a line in an old Henry Fonda movie where Fonda [the old pro gunfighter] says to the rookie very-doubtful sheriff [Tony Perkins maybe] who is facing an angry town mob outside the jail, led by a gunsel goon named Bogardus:

"You have only one man to beat --- Bogardus".

For Hendrix, he is his own Bogardus.

I have seen too much Dayne Crist in Andrew so far. Crist couldn't beat his own Mr. Hyde/ Bogardus. Can the cerebral Mr. Hendrix conquer his own spinning mind and "just play?" If so, we have a quarterback.

Even then, it will take a game or two for him to get comfortable in the saddle, so Tommy's security blanket is still vital.

As to Malik: tough to imagine Kelly tolerating that long wind-up throwing motion. But to actually alter what you've been doing all your life, and getting "natural" and comfortable with that should take significant time.

 

[ACamp1900]

The Tin Star?

 

[BobD]

Andrew raise your right hand and repeat after me..."this will never happen to me, so help me God"

 

[Bluto]

Andrew raise your right hand and repeat after me..."this will never happen to me, so help me God"

Most painful game I have ever watched. Anyhow, I think that if the offense avoids making super bonehead turnovers like this one ND can win all of its games next year regardless of who is QB.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Interesting statement considering Larz doesn't see him competing for the starter's role. He makes that clear in the two sentences immediately following the Larz Ricky Bobby quote you included in your post.

True. OFD's CW made a pretty compelling argument for starting Zaire; I assume that's the camp Larz falls into as well. Same arguments against Tommy as the #1, both Hendrix and Zaire can utilize the full playbook, etc. We differ in that I think CW greatly overestimates Zaire's ability to competently run the offense as a true freshman.

And to be clear, I wouldn't bet on Hendrix overcoming his mental issues. But I feel pretty confident that neither Rees nor Zaire can get us to 10 wins this season.

Are we working under the assumption that Golson isn't coming back here?

That's a good point. Others may disagree, but I don't think the staff should plan on Golson coming back. There are a ton of hoops he has to jump through before he can rejoin the team. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

 

[GATTACA!]

if the offense avoids making super bonehead turnovers like this one ND can win all of its games next year regardless of who is QB.

Woaa what are you drinking? And where can i get some?

There are a ton of hoops he has to jump through before he can rejoin the team.

I have seen multiple people say similar things, could you elaborate on the hoops?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

There is a lot of communication going around that Everett Golson had multiple chances to make things right in the classroom and with his team preparation. He was lacking when it came to both. His separation may have been the inevitable conclusion. And if that is the case, all of Kelly's history points to going to any lengths he can, but after that he moves on. And a lot of people interpret all of his statement in this fashion. Kelly has clearly stated that the whole EG thing is out of his hands. He didn't slam the door, but . . .

As to the hoops. He has a GPA thing and an academic "choice" thing, with more than one occurrence, from all reports.

I am trying to get more information, but Whiskey, I a beginning to believe regardless of the tact, or what other people say, that Malik Zaire may have been an issue in both of the QB losses we suffered this spring. I mean think about it. Martin didn't have words to describe him. Every one nationally goes nuts over him. You have Marines talking about his leadership and maturity as if he is a one of one. And, even though the Spring Game is nearly meaningless, who was the only QB with a passing touchdown?

 

[dublinirish]

who says Malik's throwing motion needs to be fixed? College QB coaches generally never bother to try and fix things like this, there simply isn't enough time.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I am trying to get more information, but Whiskey, I a beginning to believe regardless of the tact, or what other people say, that Malik Zaire may have been an issue in both of the QB losses we suffered this spring. I mean think about it. Martin didn't have words to describe him. Every one nationally goes nuts over him. You have Marines talking about his leadership and maturity as if he is a one of one. And, even though the Spring Game is nearly meaningless, who was the only QB with a passing touchdown?

Well, count me as the 'other people'. It's ridiculous to think that Zaire had ANYTHING to do with why Golson is gone. He was as entrenched as the starter as could be...his departure was a shock and a stomach punch to the program. He just lead the team to an undefeated season, had made some major strides in the off-season, was KILING it in the 2 practices we saw (his ability to scramble and make plays was going to springboard this offense to a level not seen last year) and was generally seen as the key to the engine. Hell, read your own thoughts on him (before he was dismissed).

And now you're trying to lead us to believe that a true freshman who has never taken a snap in a game had something to do with Reslife telling Golson he was done? Sorry, not buying it. You're talking about a few anecdotes from people and a TD pass in a meaningless game against the 3rd string (he also threw a pick); we saw in 2 straight practices and the spring game that he was 4th string.

Hell, Golson had MUCH more to do with Kiel leaving than Zaire did. It was all about Kiel not wanting to sit until his junior/senior year to play, and he knew he would never beat out Golson. He wasn't worried about beating out Zaire for 2nd string, it was all about being a starter, which he knew was impossible as long as Golson was here.

Love Zaire, love his potential, but when Rees is running out of the team huddle and onto the field vs. Temple (and Michigan), you'll realize that Golson is gone because of Golson, and it had absolutely nothing to do with Zaire.

 

[Fbolt]

There is a lot of communication going around that Everett Golson had multiple chances to make things right in the classroom and with his team preparation. He was lacking when it came to both. His separation may have been the inevitable conclusion. And if that is the case, all of Kelly's history points to going to any lengths he can, but after that he moves on. And a lot of people interpret all of his statement in this fashion. Kelly has clearly stated that the whole EG thing is out of his hands. He didn't slam the door, but . . .

As to the hoops. He has a GPA thing and an academic "choice" thing, with more than one occurrence, from all reports.

I am trying to get more information, but Whiskey, I a beginning to believe regardless of the tact, or what other people say, that Malik Zaire may have been an issue in both of the QB losses we suffered this spring. I mean think about it. Martin didn't have words to describe him. Every one nationally goes nuts over him. You have Marines talking about his leadership and maturity as if he is a one of one. And, even though the Spring Game is nearly meaningless, who was the only QB with a passing touchdown?

A lot of communication that he had multiple chances? Lacking in team preparation? Multiple chances to make it right? I need to read the Golson thread.

Zaire: Marines making positive comments about his leadership and maturity? From what, a practice some REMF Gunnery Sgt watched?

Having a hard time digesting this entire post. Smells like green Kool-Aid.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Officers, looking for officer leadership candidates; the marine I spoke with was a major.

I will stick by my statement that for the final configuration of ND's Quarterback Depth chart this fall the first and most important question is; how comprehensive is Malik Zaire's development? The second question is how comprehensive is Andrew Hendrix's? And the third and fourth is; has Tommy fixed his problem throwing into coverage and is he more mobile?

If anyone hasn't seen the rapid development and leadership of Malik since he signed on as a recruit, that is on them. I am not making superstar or savior comments. It is not Kool-Aid comments to say there is a competent option for this year and the future. And look how Malik knocked over CJ on the spring game td. That is a metaphor for the kids own internal drive; something one cannot convict any recent ND QB of save maybe Tommy. Claiming that my statements say more than Malik is where EG was last year, with maybe a little less baggage, and a few more inches and lbs, is the:

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[Fbolt]

Bogs, gotta say a Marine OCS recruiter is like every sales guy everywhere-smelling a sale around every corner. I don't know this guy so, enough said.

Hope Zaire is the answer, or Hendrix, or Rees-just looking for an answer.

The Golson comments-could you at least direct me to the multiple chances, lacking in preparation...? Can't seem to find it. Thx!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Officers, looking for officer leadership candidates; the marine I spoke with was a major.

I will stick by my statement that for the final configuration of ND's Quarterback Depth chart this fall the first and most important question is; how comprehensive is Malik Zaire's development? The second question is how comprehensive is Andrew Hendrix's? And the third and fourth is; has Tommy fixed his problem throwing into coverage and is he more mobile?

If anyone hasn't seen the rapid development and leadership of Malik since he signed on as a recruit, that is on them. I am not making superstar or savior comments. It is not Kool-Aid comments to say there is a competent option for this year and the future. And look how Malik knocked over CJ on the spring game td. That is a metaphor for the kids own internal drive; something one cannot convict any recent ND QB of save maybe Tommy. Claiming that my statements say more than Malik is where EG was last year, with maybe a little less baggage, and a few more inches and lbs, is the:

That answers nothing about you stating that Zaire's development played a role in ResLife's decision about Golson (which it didn't).

As for making a chest bump into something significant, again, like you did with the spring game TD, you're making much ado about nothing. I could just as easily point to Zaire's INT and say that it is a sign of things to come. You know who was last year's leader in chest bumps? Davonte Neal. And he gone.

As for that chest bump showing internal drive that no other recent ND QB's have had...that's bullsh!t too. Jimmy Clausen had PLENTY of internal drive. Kid yelled "F*** you!" across the field to Jim Harbaugh after one TD, as an example of his drive. He lead multiple come-from-behind, close wins his senior year. And other Crist and Rees, he's the only recent QB ND has really had.

Agree with fbolt...your post is full of green Kool-aid...nothing wrong with that, but you're making some pretty-far-out-there assertions that really can't be verified at all.

 

[Ironman8]

I'm still waiting on the post spring game breakouts from Munir Prince, Nate Montana and Junior Jabbie.

Whoosh.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

All I was saying about the chest bump is that the velocity he propelled himself indicated his excitement and enthusiasm. He didn't feel the stage was to big. The other thing about the spring game that you have to remember is all the QB's were not allowed contact, unlike last year, (remember)? Why? Because that changed the dynamic in the spring game for Golson, Hendrix, and Zaire. Hendrix and Zaire in particular had some nice plays that would have resulted in good runs if they hadn't been stopped. Zaire had at least one run that could have resulted in another running touchdown.

Now I admit that the spring game means nothing, especially this year. (That may be the toughest defense the offense faces all year.)

But I would propose this; I don't have much time these days so when I spend time on the site, I don't want to get into debates with people willing to twist my words or "find added meaning" in them. So lets do this. Let's table the conversation and just watch these three horses through camp and into the fall. I am saying that we have a dynamic that ND hasn't had in a QB since 2007. A playmaker that can be a game changer that leads first by doing the right things. Not Crist; not Reese; not Golson.

Oh, yeah, and I am not saying that Zaire is even going to be ready to play this season. Although I find arguments that if Braxton Miller could for tOSU, Malik certainly could this year at ND. And I don't care who starts. To me, I want to see a situation where three pushes two, and one, (so the coaches don't just have to.)

 

[NDinL.A.]

But I would propose this; I don't have much time these days so when I spend time on the site, I don't want to get into debates with people willing to twist my words or "find added meaning" in them.

No one is twisting your words. I'm using your words that YOU yourself said.

Just as you did when you said ND has "eight elite defensive linemen", you've used hyperbole to prove some point, then got offended when someone dares to refute your point. Just re-read your point about Golson and Zaire and tell me how that makes any sense.

You still spend plenty of time on this site, so it's a cop-out. You don't want to debate this further, and that's absolutely fine. But don't act like I'm twisting your words and looking for "added meaning" to something small (like, looking at a chest bump in a spring game and anointing our next great QB?). You said something, and I responded. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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Good luck with that!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Good luck with that!

Nice comeback. At least you admit you were full of (green) **** in that first post. LOL at you...silly of me to think you could bring anything back to the table instead of playing the innocent ("You're twisting my words!!!").

It's simple...stop saying stupid things and you won't get a response from me. It's not personal, it's the ridiculous things you say.

Done with you on this thread.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Are we working under the assumption that Golson isn't coming back here?

honestly I think this is the plan that the staff needs to take going forward...can't COUNT on him coming back, should prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Nice comeback. At least you admit you were full of (green) **** in that first post. LOL at you...silly of me to think you could bring anything back to the table instead of playing the innocent ("You're twisting my words!!!").

It's simple...stop saying stupid things and you won't get a response from me. It's not personal, it's the ridiculous things you say.

Done with you on this thread.

A good example of your misanthropic intent, or how you read things to promote your own hatred is the original comment I made about "eight elite" down linemen, that you just brought up with contempt. It was actually a comment I made about down linemen and OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS. But nobody will remember that, (without going back to the thread where they can see that you are once again lying) because it was from a thread THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO. Really man! I am tired of your bull, you do twist words, and I don't really feel the need to defend myself against you. But you do need help. Others have mentioned it to you. As of now, I consider you my own personal troll. Have fun with that. Bogtrotter's troll. What heights to which you aspire!

 

[NDinL.A.]

A good example of your misanthropic intent, or how you read things to promote your own hatred is the original comment I made about "eight elite" down linemen, that you just brought up with contempt. It was actually a comment I made about down linemen and OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS. But nobody will remember that, (without going back to the thread where they can see that you are once again lying) because it was from a thread THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO. Really man! I am tired of your bull, you do twist words, and I don't really feel the need to defend myself against you. But you do need help. Others have mentioned it to you. As of now, I consider you my own personal troll. Have fun with that. Bogtrotter's troll. What heights to which you aspire!

LOL at you. You're a posting machine...no way I can post enough to be your troll. Let's just take it to PM if you want to get personal.

As for the thread, I'll wait with baited breath how Zaire had soemthing to do with ResLife kicking out Golson for the semester. Other than that, don't get offended when you say outlandish things and someone calls you out on it. If you can't back it up, don't say it. Easy. Out.

 

[PANDFAN]

LOL at you. You're a posting machine...no way I can post enough to be your troll. Let's just take it to PM if you want to get personal.

As for the thread, I'll wait with baited breath how Zaire had soemthing to do with ResLife kicking out Golson for the semester. Other than that, don't get offended when you say outlandish things and someone calls you out on it. If you can't back it up, don't say it. Easy. Out.

gáire os ard

 

[Bogtrotter07]

LOL at you. You're a posting machine...no way I can post enough to be your troll. Let's just take it to PM if you want to get personal.

As for the thread, I'll wait with baited breath how Zaire had soemthing to do with ResLife kicking out Golson for the semester. Other than that, don't get offended when you say outlandish things and someone calls you out on it. If you can't back it up, don't say it. Easy. Out.

Are you still going to be so stupid to maintain that "at issue" means "was a mechanism involved with Res Life in booting EG?" For me based upon all the communication it is a toss up as to whether you are that stupid, or just so mean that you want to cause a fight no matter how thin the grounds. You know like someone calling another poster's wife a "heifer?" Only a dickless wonder would do that, a really small man! And I will defend any poster, no matter what they may have done (typing in a minute of upset? Give me a break!) against mean-spirited small mindedness.

Maybe if someone needed some explanation they could ask a question before they tried to insult someone. Because I don't think it takes much more brains than it takes to get in out of the rain to couple my statement with others I made stating that I think just having Malik Zaire with what he offers is enough to push the dynamics of the QB depth chart at ND.

And of all the posters on this site, many know that I don't care for you, but almost all know what lengths you will go to try to win an argument, and the trashy things you will say. I can't say anything more than I feel sorry for you.

 

[Ironman8]

Are you still going to be so stupid to maintain that "at issue" means "was a mechanism involved with Res Life in booting EG?" For me based upon all the communication it is a toss up as to whether you are that stupid, or just so mean that you want to cause a fight no matter how thin the grounds. You know like someone calling another poster's wife a "heifer?" Only a dickless wonder would do that, a really small man! And I will defend any poster, no matter what they may have done (typing in a minute of upset? Give me a break!) against mean-spirited small mindedness.

Maybe if someone needed some explanation they could ask a question before they tried to insult someone. Because I don't think it takes much more brains than it takes to get in out of the rain to couple my statement with others I made stating that I think just having Malik Zaire with what he offers is enough to push the dynamics of the QB depth chart at ND.

And of all the posters on this site, many know that I don't care for you, but almost all know what lengths you will go to try to win an argument, and the trashy things you will say. I can't say anything more than I feel sorry for you.

I think this is getting out of hand between you two (shocking) and I hope you take this to PM rather than clog Andrew Hendrix's thread, but I will ask one simple question first, because I am simply curious about one point: How do you think Malik was 'an issue' in EG's apparent error in judgement academically and subsequent withdrawal from ND?

 

[irishog77]

I think this is getting out of hand between you two (shocking) and I hope you take this to PM rather than clog Andrew Hendrix's thread, but I will ask one simple question first, because I am simply curious about one point: How do you think Malik was 'an issue' in EG's apparent error in judgement academically and subsequent withdrawal from ND?[/QUOTE]

^ This...

There is a lot of communication going around that Everett Golson had multiple chances to make things right in the classroom and with his team preparation. He was lacking when it came to both. His separation may have been the inevitable conclusion. And if that is the case, all of Kelly's history points to going to any lengths he can, but after that he moves on. And a lot of people interpret all of his statement in this fashion. Kelly has clearly stated that the whole EG thing is out of his hands. He didn't slam the door, but . . .

As to the hoops. He has a GPA thing and an academic "choice" thing, with more than one occurrence, from all reports.

I am trying to get more information, but Whiskey, I a beginning to believe regardless of the tact, or what other people say, that Malik Zaire may have been an issue in both of the QB losses we suffered this spring. I mean think about it. Martin didn't have words to describe him. Every one nationally goes nuts over him. You have Marines talking about his leadership and maturity as if he is a one of one. And, even though the Spring Game is nearly meaningless, who was the only QB with a passing touchdown?

because let's be honest, this is a pretty ridiculous statement.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogtrotter07 View Post
Are you still going to be so stupid to maintain that "at issue" means "was a mechanism involved with Res Life in booting EG?" For me based upon all the communication it is a toss up as to whether you are that stupid, or just so mean that you want to cause a fight no matter how thin the grounds. You know like someone calling another poster's wife a "heifer?" Only a dickless wonder would do that, a really small man! And I will defend any poster, no matter what they may have done (typing in a minute of upset? Give me a break!) against mean-spirited small mindedness.

Maybe if someone needed some explanation they could ask a question before they tried to insult someone. Because I don't think it takes much more brains than it takes to get in out of the rain to couple my statement with others I made stating that I think just having Malik Zaire with what he offers is enough to push the dynamics of the QB depth chart at ND.

And of all the posters on this site, many know that I don't care for you, but almost all know what lengths you will go to try to win an argument, and the trashy things you will say. I can't say anything more than I feel sorry for you.

I think this is getting out of hand between you two (shocking) and I hope you take this to PM rather than clog Andrew Hendrix's thread, but I will ask one simple question first, because I am simply curious about one point: How do you think Malik was 'an issue' in EG's apparent error in judgement academically and subsequent withdrawal from ND?

From my hardworking days as a thankless manager:
Four pushes three. Three pushes two. Two pushes One. Everybody gets better.
And that is so much better than if the manager has to provide the push.

Malik came in and learned the playbook. He didn't bitch. When he made mistakes he learned and kept getting better. He got stronger than EG, gained more weight and is taller and faster. By everyone's account, Malik showed little separation in the spring from the others. That wasn't true the first practices (spring or fall) when Crist, Rees, Montana, Golson, Hendrix, or Keil came in.

Guys that can shoot really good, like hit the bulls-eye of an alpha target at 500 meters, can only see the target; it is HUGE. Every one else sees everything in the world around the target, and the target is so small. Since most people have the latter attitude, when someone has the former it is almost palpable.

Or, another way of putting it a new potential lead dog makes the whole sled faster than the initial extra pull it provides.

Ironman, a chara,

Maybe I could have said 'factor affecting", as in factor affecting the outcome of both situations. But, I had already been attacked over another statement I made several months ago about how I believe we will have had eight elite d-linemen and outside linebackers on this roster. I was in a hurry. And I do not believe that any other user has to bear this kind of scrutiny as often. And I was far from the only target today.

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs

By the way, laugh out loud best expressed in Irish would probably best be stated; "Gáire amach os ard!" as opposed to "gáire os ard".

 

[Ironman8]

There is a lot of communication going around that Everett Golson had multiple chances to make things right in the classroom and with his team preparation. He was lacking when it came to both. His separation may have been the inevitable conclusion. And if that is the case, all of Kelly's history points to going to any lengths he can, but after that he moves on. And a lot of people interpret all of his statement in this fashion. Kelly has clearly stated that the whole EG thing is out of his hands. He didn't slam the door, but . . .

As to the hoops. He has a GPA thing and an academic "choice" thing, with more than one occurrence, from all reports.

I am trying to get more information, but Whiskey, I a beginning to believe regardless of the tact, or what other people say, that Malik Zaire may have been an issue in both of the QB losses we suffered this spring. I mean think about it. Martin didn't have words to describe him. Every one nationally goes nuts over him. You have Marines talking about his leadership and maturity as if he is a one of one. And, even though the Spring Game is nearly meaningless, who was the only QB with a passing touchdown?

I'm sorry Bogs, maybe I am just being dense, but I still don't understand how your response answers my question or backs up what you wrote here. Dumb it down for me.

I understand competition breeds success, and that the competition pushes some to new levels while others may not rise to the challenge, but I don't see a correlation in a EE QB showing promise on and off the field and EG allegedly committing plagiarism. Are you inferring that MZ was pushing EG so hard on the field (in EG's mind) that it directly or indirectly led to EG cheating?

Seems like a big stretch to me if so.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm sorry Bogs, maybe I am just being dense, but I still don't understand how your response answers my question or backs up what you wrote here. Dumb it down for me.

I understand competition breeds success, and that the competition pushes some to new levels while others may not rise to the challenge, but I don't see a correlation in a EE QB showing promise on and off the field and EG allegedly committing plagiarism. Are you inferring that MZ was pushing EG so hard on the field (in EG's mind) that it directly or indirectly led to EG cheating?

Seems like a big stretch to me if so.

No. I am just saying that the dynamic of EG being the only guy was no longer true. Whether that affected the liberties that anyone too I don't believe we will ever know. But if we have another competition ready athlete with a track record in January, don't you think that will? Let me apologize again if there was any kind of inference that I was commenting on EG cheating, (if that even happened) or that Malik cheated for him, etc. I am not even saying that the coaching staff liked him so much they deep sixed him over the new guy! LOL! I guess I was taking the long view, assuming that the return the chances of EG's return was dim at best, and stating that having a hot new number four had a big affect on things upstream. That is all.

 

[NDinL.A.]

For Pete's sake bogs, stop playing the victim role. Follow the thread...you weren't attacked, your choice of words was debated. I said nothing personal until you accused me of twisting your words, which is complete b.s. There are now 4 people on this thread who disagree with you, yet I'm the one twisting your words? C'mon man. Do better.

As for the other stuff, when are you going to get it that I just don't give a sh!t what you think about me. I don't 'need help' lol...you think this is the real me? You think I talk like I do to you to people I respect in real life? This aint as important to me as it is you...This is entertainment to me, and ever since you called me a sexist for disagreeing w a female on this site, you've been a clown to me. You prove it all the time w your hyperbolic posts about me and ND football in general.

As for the other poster you're trying to rat me out in LOL, the one who attacked me in a message for absolutely no reason, yup, I responded to him too. Never called his wife a 'heifer'...he ain't even married, but nice try. He did call my wife a prostitute though (over the line, no?), so yeah, I responded that she was better than the heffers he was most likely dealing with. I never said I was above this lol. And he and I are fine btw.

Now, if you want to address me personally NOT related to this thread, PM me (I'm aware you'll pass it along, but it's all good).

 

[Old Man Mike]

...........gentlemen, the thread has turned into a garbage dump for the rest of us; and whatever's going on here seems utterly irrelevant to the big picture of Notre Dame football information, so you guys could give the rest of us a break.

I have admiration for "pride" in its place, but..... jeez guys, turn off the testosterone. I can promise you that the first one who shuts up will get more admiration from the maturer people on the site than any other behavior.