'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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Irishnuke said:
Not the same. First, Eddie isn't transferring since he's not even a student yet. Second, coaches contracts usually have buyout clauses so its not as if there is no penalty.
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IrishFaninTX said:
Well we could ask EV to pay back millions of dollars and call it good but I think he would rather just sit the year out. Coaches have to pay back a lot of money if they leave early and same situation if they are fired, they get paid. Of course that is if their contract is not up, yet.
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Tell me a situation where a coach actually paid the money and I will give you that point. The kids are hamstrung by the NCAA and held to a higher standard than coaches-at least IMO. There is no buyout clause for a student-athlete.
 
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IrishinTN said:
Not to mention a coach doesn't promise to come coach the team, but then decide to back out on that commitment a month before he's supposed to take the job.
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I remember one who faked health issues to get out of a contract, then signed with another school.
 
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Fbolt said:
Tell me a situation where a coach actually paid the money and I will give you that point. The kids are hamstrung by the NCAA and held to a higher standard than coaches-at least IMO. There is no buyout clause for a student-athlete.
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Coaches are professionals, students are amateurs. Why are we even attempting to compare the two?
 
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Steve Alford, New Mexico Lobos agree on buyout - ESPN

https://law.marquette.edu/assets/sports-law/pdf/for-the-record/greenberg-v19no4.pdf

Do I need to produce more are two somewhat hi-profile ones enough.
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Nope. Not even going to follow up on that. I did actually, Y! SPORTS - article uses rather amiguous wording on who paid what as well as stating that Alford AND UCLA paid it. However, that cannot be the norm (for coaches to actually pay it) or even statistically relevant. Just my thoughts based on nothing more than my...brain recall. lol

Still don't think it's right. A coach can make promises and fail to keep them with minimal repercussions while a kid gets hammered. If you don't see that, we are on the wrong wavelength.
 
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My totally unfounded, totally irrational prediction. He will be Irish. He will realize who is telling him the truth.
 
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Nope. Not even going to follow up on that. I did actually, Y! SPORTS - article uses rather amiguous wording on who paid what as well as stating that Alford AND UCLA paid it. However, that cannot be the norm (for coaches to actually pay it) or even statistically relevant. Just my thoughts based on nothing more than my...brain recall. lol

Still don't think it's right. A coach can make promises and fail to keep them with minimal repercussions while a kid gets hammered. If you don't see that, we are on the wrong wavelength.
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I sort of agree with where you are going here. The one thing I don't agree with is when kids want to get out of a LOI or want to transfer when nothing at the school has changed. If BK had left, or his position coach had left, you might be able to convince me of reducing the punishment for EV wanting to get out.
 
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Eddie standing up to his commitment and playing his @$$ off for ND no matter what the situation is would teach him more about living a successful life than letting him out of it.
 
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Don't get me wrong here-I am all about keeping your word. I'm of the mind that a verbal agreement is a binding agreement-haha-or even a written agreement is a binding agreement. However, that's just not how this world works.
 
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Fbolt said:
Don't get me wrong here-I am all about keeping your word. I'm of the mind that a verbal agreement is a binding agreement-haha-or even a written agreement is a binding agreement. However, that's just not how this world works.
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I wonder what Bruin Steve would say to this...
 
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Don't get me wrong here-I am all about keeping your word. I'm of the mind that a verbal agreement is a binding agreement-haha-or even a written agreement is a binding agreement. However, that's just not how this world works.
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I understand. But I don't think we are asking the right question. Is it about comparing players to coaches. Or is it about the way players are exploited by the NCAA? I mean they are four year indentured servants.

I am all in favor of locking down coaches. I would love to screw them in the ground. For a while when he was coaching at Washington, Ty was the highest paid employee at ND. Charlie is getting $2M a payout, making his total post employment package worth $18.9M. We all have a lugnut like Kevin White to thank for that. And hundred of fan bases across the country that want to hire a coach who will win while only cheating around the edges. You know, not get caught for it. Even ND then, who would not allow a coach to cheat adds to it by paying exorbitant rates for an unproven coaching commodity.
 
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Fbolt said:
Don't get me wrong here-I am all about keeping your word. I'm of the mind that a verbal agreement is a binding agreement-haha-or even a written agreement is a binding agreement. However, that's just not how this world works.
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Your "I love Notre Dame Football Because..." Essay must have sucked.
 
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Fbolt said:
Tell me a situation where a coach actually paid the money and I will give you that point. The kids are hamstrung by the NCAA and held to a higher standard than coaches-at least IMO. There is no buyout clause for a student-athlete.
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I would imagine that there are probably federal labor laws that come into play, with a coaching situation: Something along the lines of one employer (University) not being able to restrict a former employee from pursuing his/her career with another employer (University) without a non-compete agreement in place.

These kids are not employees, nor should they be, so the rules are inherently different.
 
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Fbolt said:
Nope. Not even going to follow up on that. I did actually, Y! SPORTS - article uses rather amiguous wording on who paid what as well as stating that Alford AND UCLA paid it. However, that cannot be the norm (for coaches to actually pay it) or even statistically relevant. Just my thoughts based on nothing more than my...brain recall. lol

Still don't think it's right. A coach can make promises and fail to keep them with minimal repercussions while a kid gets hammered. If you don't see that, we are on the wrong wavelength.
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Okay what is your end game point with about coaches changing there mind. Do coaches screw over programs and the young men in them? Yes they do. Is it right? No its wrong.

But how does coaches doing wrong justify allowing player out of there LOI?

Two wrong don't make a right.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Screw talkin' bout signatures, some of you changing between avatars is freaking me out!
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Speaking of oft-changing avatars, should a post of yours be the last I read at the end of a night, I make a point of visiting a web site with pictures of cute kids or kittens before I go beddy-bye.
 
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dshans said:
Speaking of oft-changing avatars, should a post of yours be the last I read at the end of a night, I make a point of visiting a web site with pictures of cute kids or kittens before I go beddy-bye.
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I know what you meant, but boy oh boy that last sentence sounds bad.
 
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BobD said:
I know what you meant, but boy oh boy that last sentence sounds bad.
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Point well taken. It never occurred to me that my comment would be viewed "that" way. I suppose that I could have added something that might have squelched your twisted interpretation, but I failed to anticipate.

Now that you've let the cat (kitten?) out of the bag and unleashed the hounds there's little to be done but sit back and make the best of the bumpy ride.
 
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dshans said:
Point well taken. It never occurred to me that my comment would be viewed "that" way. I suppose that I could have added something that might have squelched your twisted interpretation, but I failed to anticipate.

Now that you've let the cat (kitten?) out of the bag and unleashed the hounds there's little to be done but sit back and make the best of the bumpy ride.
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Sorry Sir. We have a "that's what she said" group at work, now it seems that I look for different interpretations of almost everything. Yesterday one our salespeople made the mistake of saying they "only had nuts for lunch" :)
 
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BobD said:
... I look for different interpretations of almost everything. Yesterday one our salespeople made the mistake of saying they "only had nuts for lunch" :)
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Male or female salesperson? Not that it matters; not to be sexist or homophobic or anything, but it could make a difference.

I prefer macadamia and cashew but enjoy brazil, wal, hazel, litchi and pea nuts. Pecans are good, too, especially in a pie. I'm just nuts about nuts. Protein and antioxidants and all that.
 
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