CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

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For those talking about Malik, he was ahead of Gunner in terms of progression... but he ran a Wing-T style offense in HS and is probably nowhere close to prepared to take the reigns in Week 1. We're looking Tommy/Andrew or bust most likely.
 
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Golson EE'd AND had a redshirt year and STILL didn't know the offense too well. He got better knowing it as the year went on and no doubt was budding into a star. It really sucks losing him and now the QB situation is going to be really interesting to watch.

Say TR starts, and MZ redshirts. He then has the same eligibility timeline as EG and would presumably transfer IMO (Is this right? I think I read somewhere Golson maintains 3 years of his eligibility)

Say MZ starts or even just does not redshirt, then it is evident that either Kelly is confident Golson won't come back or he is pissed off at Golson and wants to move the program in a different direction, and Golson will likely not come back to ND, meaning we would most likely need to take 2 QBs in this class. Unfortunate since we thought this could be the year we would skip taking a QB and its a pretty limited QB class IMO
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I hope Kelly isn't going to shoot himself in the foot in the short term due to long term considerations with regard to Golson. Kelly has to make the best call for this coming season and sort out the rest later. I have confidence that Coach will do the smart thing, he strikes me as a firm but fair type. He's not going to bend the rules and throw other players under the bus because he has a soft spot for his guy.

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Bummer!!! Wish EG all the best. Having said that I fully stand behind the university and punishment and let’s be honest, the punishment fits the crime. The only thing that really bothers me here is how ND continues to play by the rules while many other teams in the nation bend, twist, and break the same rules with little to no consequences.
As far as the upcoming season I think the staff should NOT (yes I said not) play MZ and take advantage TR helping mold AH and focus on a clear running back leader. There’s no guarantee that EG will be back so red shirt MZ and use the tools already in the shed. AH can move the ball on the ground better than EG in my opinion. Get him a solid running back and a hand full of successful pass plays and I feel with that defense ND can still have a 10-2 11-1 type of year.
Let the verbal beating begin!
 
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I don't care how well you know the offense if you can't execute it effectively. Forget about Tommy's physical limitations; it's his decision making that has been the most problematic.
Some of you need to remember just how bad Golson was during the first half of 2012. I think Malik can play similarly and hopefully learn throughout the year. It's my opinion that you only speed up the learning process once you receive game experience.
I'm not saying that Malik should start against Temple, but I don't think the idea should be dismissed so quickly.
 
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Huh? Cierre Wood ran for 750 yards last year and helped us get to the national championship game. If that's Golson's fate, he'll wind up OK.
Regardless, I suspect that by fall Kelly will have a pretty good handle on if Golson's really coming back. Much depends on what moves he makes between now and then.
Either way, Rees is gone after next year and I don't think anyone really sees Hendrix as a long-term answer. I'd think Rees is the starter with Zaire (who by all accounts is ahead of the curve) in the wings. I certainly wouldn't assume he'll redshirt at this point, and hopefully he'll be able to contribute. We need the best guys on the field.
Where it could get sticky is if Zaire establishes himself in the second half of the season and then Golson comes back. Two very comparable QBs with multiple years of eligibility remaining. Good for consistency of the system. Bad for avoiding transfers.
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He lost the starting job to Theo. The only reason Kelly played him was because Theo couldn't carry the load by himself. Theo had almost 200 carries and Wood only 119 despite the fact he was avg 6.5 ypc and Theo only 4.8. You can replace a RB as the starter but still get him a lot of carries. You can't do that with a QB so if he decides to put Golson in the doghouse like it appears he did with Cierre, then it would be prudent to start someone this season who can contribute in 2014.
 
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LoveThee said:
Golson EE'd AND had a redshirt year and STILL didn't know the offense too well. He got better knowing it as the year went on and no doubt was budding into a star. It really sucks losing him and now the QB situation is going to be really interesting to watch.

Say TR starts, and MZ redshirts. He then has the same eligibility timeline as EG and would presumably transfer IMO (Is this right? I think I read somewhere Golson maintains 3 years of his eligibility)
Say MZ starts or even just does not redshirt, then it is evident that either Kelly is confident Golson won't come back or he is pissed off at Golson and wants to move the program in a different direction, and Golson will likely not come back to ND, meaning we would most likely need to take 2 QBs in this class. Unfortunate since we thought this could be the year we would skip taking a QB and its a pretty limited QB class IMO
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I would like to know the answer to the bolded portion. I can't imagine he would still have three years left. That's not really punishment for academic issues.
 
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NDohio said:
I would like to know the answer to the bolded portion. I can't imagine he would still have three years left. That's not really punishment for academic issues.
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EG will only have two years remaining after this year. 2014 he will be a sr and in 2015 a graduate.
 
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dommerfreak said:
Bummer!!! Wish EG all the best. Having said that I fully stand behind the university and punishment and let’s be honest, the punishment fits the crime. The only thing that really bothers me here is how ND continues to play by the rules while many other teams in the nation bend, twist, and break the same rules with little to no consequences.
As far as the upcoming season I think the staff should NOT (yes I said not) play MZ and take advantage TR helping mold AH and focus on a clear running back leader. There’s no guarantee that EG will be back so red shirt MZ and use the tools already in the shed. AH can move the ball on the ground better than EG in my opinion. Get him a solid running back and a hand full of successful pass plays and I feel with that defense ND can still have a 10-2 11-1 type of year.
Let the verbal beating begin!
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I actually like the idea of AH starting. He can make plays with his feet, something I feel a Kelly run offense needs just a little. Tommy did it against Michigan but it was a QB draw and not him using his feet when the play broke down. He can make the throws, possibly better than Rees and he has 2 years of eligibility left so he would be a good safety net in case Golson doesn't return. Don't burn MZ' red shirt. If Golson does return, then you have an issue with 2 very similar QB having close to the same amount of eligibility remaining and would likely have MZ transferring if Golson starts ahead of him but without the security of AH because he likely wouldn't return for a 5th year if he doesn't start this year. So then you have what? 1 QB and maybe 2 true freshmen as backups if we sign 2 this season? Start Tommy or AH (my preference is AH) and then hope we get Golson back in 2014.
 
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I actually like the idea of AH starting. He can make plays with his feet, something I feel a Kelly run offense needs just a little. Tommy did it against Michigan but it was a QB draw and not him using his feet when the play broke down. He can make the throws, possibly better than Rees and he has 2 years of eligibility left so he would be a good safety net in case Golson doesn't return. Don't burn MZ' red shirt. If Golson does return, then you have an issue with 2 very similar QB having the same amount of eligibility remaining and would likely have MZ transferring if Golson starts ahead of him but without the security of AH because he likely wouldn't return for a 5th year if he doesn't start this year. So then you have what? 1 QB and maybe 2 true freshmen as backups if we sign 2 this season? Start Tommy or AH (my preference is AH) and then hope we get Golson back in 2014.
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Agree...have to move the program forward with or without EG.
 
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DillonHall said:
Just because Malik plays this year doesn't mean he burns his redshirt year
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not sure what his red shirt status would be if he played this year but if he did i dont think EG will be back and more than likely would transfer. Unless MZ showed no signs of progression i spose.
 
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DillonHall said:
Just because Malik plays this year doesn't mean he burns his redshirt year
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But when else would he use it? If EG comes back for 2014 it would be EG, MZ, and a couple of Freshman. I know AH is a possibility for a 5th year, but I am not sure he will take it. Isn't he pre-med? I would think he would be ready to move on to med school.

I think MZ only plays if:

A) He is absolutely killing it and he is ready to become THE guy at QB.

B) TR and AH fail miserably.

A I am fine with.
 
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dommerfreak said:
not sure what his red shirt status would be if he played this year but if he did i dont think EG will be back and more than likely would transfer. Unless MZ showed no signs of progression i spose.
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Everyone gets 5 years to play 4 years. Theoretically, Malik could play in 2013, sit out in 2014, and still have three years of eligibility.

But you bring up a very interesting point about Everett perhaps not wanting to return if Malik played this year.
 
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But when else would he use it? If EG comes back for 2014 it would be EG, MZ, and a couple of Freshman. I know AH is a possibility for a 5th year, but I am not sure he will take it. Isn't he pre-med? I would think he would be ready to move on to med school.

I think MZ only plays if:

A) He is absolutely killing it and he is ready to become THE guy at QB.

B) TR and AH fail miserably.

A I am fine with.
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I have been a big time Kelly supporter but if both AH and TR fail miserably, then I have to question what the heck is going on in South Bend that 2 senior QB's, one who was a decent 4 star prospect and another who has started in about 16 games, can't at least manage an offense and throw a few nice passes.
 
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I have been a big time Kelly supporter but if both AH and TR fail miserably, then I have to question what the heck is going on in South Bend that 2 senior QB's, one who was a decent 4 star prospect and another who has started in about 16 games, can't at least manage an offense and throw a few nice passes.
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I agree completely. I do not expect MZ to see the field this year as I do not see either of my scenarios playing out.
 
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I'm a bit emotional to get into all of this, but on the bright side, for those that say this will hurt recruiting, I understand that a lot of the stuff leading up to Golson will, but his situation specifically will not.

Reasons:

A) The 2014 and beyond kids will barely be playing with Golson whether they come here or not.

B) There's a lot of parents, even of athletes, that want their children held accountable while in school. If the starting QB who just won 11 games and has 3 years of eligibility left, isn't immune to proper academia, no one is.

C) Golson wants to come back. You think it says something bad about the school that this kid wants back into the program? He's not jaded, and handling it like a man. This looks good for ND.

There are obviously bad things about this, but thought I'd offer a positive outlook.

Happy Memorial Day!
 
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No matter what happens, I do not envy Kelly & staff with the position they are in now. VERY tough decisions going forward.
 
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MZ would need to drastically improve physically and mentally in order to be the starting QB this year....not saying it won't happen, but I see it as extremely unlikely.

It's Tommy's job to lose...hopefully Hendrix can start to put it all together to push him for the job and I don't think it's out of the question that he'll have a package prepared for him by the coaches
 
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i think kelly going wiith a qb by committee with TR and AH flip flopping all year long. its gona be a bumpy ride.
i think kelly tries like hell to RS malik if he can.
if no TR/AH injuries i think kelly RS malik.
kelly has to run this program as if EG not coming back and if he does then deal with that when it happens. long way to go for EG IMO, with no guarantees.

strange days indeed!
 
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kuehnja said:
I'm a bit emotional to get into all of this, but on the bright side, for those that say this will hurt recruiting, I understand that a lot of the stuff leading up to Golson will, but his situation specifically will not.

Reasons:

A) The 2014 and beyond kids will barely be playing with Golson whether they come here or not.

B) There's a lot of parents, even of athletes, that want their children held accountable while in school. If the starting QB who just won 11 games and has 3 years of eligibility left, isn't immune to proper academia, no one is.

C) Golson wants to come back. You think it says something bad about the school that this kid wants back into the program? He's not jaded, and handling it like a man. This looks good for ND.

There are obviously bad things about this, but thought I'd offer a positive outlook.

Happy Memorial Day!
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Exactly. well said. speaks volumes that EG wants back into the program. Volumes gentlemen
 
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