'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[IrishFaninTX]

Sooooooooooo a Catholic university, instead of turning the other cheek, should be vindictive and spiteful? Gotcha...

No but they shouldn't let him out of his commitment either. That certainly isn't teaching the young man anything. He signed a contract and should have to honor it. It's not about religion. It would set a bad precident if ND starts letting these kids know that their commitment means nothing and they can take another kids spot and then change their mind.

 

[ThePiombino]

No but they shouldn't let him out of his commitment either. That certainly isn't teaching the young man anything. He signed a contract and should have to honor it. It's not about religion. It would set a bad precident if ND starts letting these kids know that their commitment means nothing and they can take another kids spot and then change their mind.

I agree he should be held to his commitment, but to what end? Force him here for a year then what? Still block his transfer to UCLA? Seems a bit extreme, unless of course we can prove illegal contact there or something.

You say this isn't about religion, but it kind of is- this is Notre Dame where things are done differently. Certain standards are to be upheld. It's one thing to force the kid to honor his commitment; a complete other to go our of your way to ruin his college career.

 

[Bluto]

Sooooooooooo a Catholic university, instead of turning the other cheek, should be vindictive and spiteful? Gotcha...

Nope, they should drop the hammer cause "God Wills It!". In all seriousness, it's called honoring a binding contract and can be chalked up to a teachable moment. In the real world people do not put up with this kind of crap so maybe it's better these guys who can run and tackle good understand that now rather than later. If someone pulled this kind of stunt in the construction industry you bet your bottom dollar they would be out of a job and run out of town and nobody would give much of a rats ***. So spare me the dramatics about being vindictive. As Bret Oberg used to say "mess with the bull and you get the horns".

 

[Bluto]

Sooooooooooo a Catholic university, instead of turning the other cheek, should be vindictive and spiteful? Gotcha...

You're right. I suppose they could just make him run a gauntlet of nuns with yard sticks and circle the stadium parking lot on his knees several times in a hand made wool shirt in the heat of summer as penance, then release him to the school of his choosing.

 

[Fbolt]

Nope, they should drop the hammer cause "God Wills It!". In all seriousness, it's called honoring a binding contract and can be chalked up to a teachable moment. In the real world people do not put up with this kind of crap so maybe it's better these guys who can run and tackle good understand that now rather than later. If someone pulled this kind of stunt in the construction industry you bet your bottom dollar they would be out of a job and run out of town and nobody would give much of a rats ***. So spare me the dramatics about being vindictive. As Bret Oberg used to say "mess with the bull and you get the horns".

Two things:

1. This isn't the construction industry
2. Who is being dramatic?

I suppose that I am glad that ND seems to be looking at all the options before making a decision. Also hope tha EV decides to stick around and be apart of something special.

 

[Crazy Balki]

So, why is it that everyone has pretty much made it a forgone conclusion that he's leaving. Is their like zero chance he comes out and says he wants to go to Notre Dame? Me thinks that's the case. Me thinks this is being absolved as we speak.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

If all the rumors are true ND should drop the hammer and block him from going anywhere but Taft City College and or Sac State and UC Davis (the last two so he can be close to home). Anyhow, hopefully Jarron Jones gets his act together.

You forgot powerhouse Chico State.......

 

[dublinirish]

the Div1 coaching fraternity would lose their **** if ND let EV out of his LOI. I can't see it happening, nobody wants to open that pandora's box

 

[vmgsf]

Next step. NCAA decision not released from LOI. I am guessing "advisers" have told him you are "superstar," rules and regulations and contracts are meaningless and do not apply to you and you will get out of LOI and be in Westwood and playing ball in the PAC-10?, or PAC-12? or PAC-15? or PAC whatever? for the UCLA Bruins in September 2013.

When NCAA drops hammer and denies release, it will be very interesting. Reality check for the "superstar." You are actually responsible for your actions even though you are a "superstar."

 

[rikkitikki08]

i cant see anything but #3 being the outcome here...anyone want to make a vbucks bet? i'll bet my entire bank on it

I will bet my entire bank roll on #3 does not happen.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, why is it that everyone has pretty much made it a forgone conclusion that he's leaving. Is their like zero chance he comes out and says he wants to go to Notre Dame? Me thinks that's the case. Me thinks this is being absolved as we speak.

From everything I've read this situation has created a huge rift between the two parties (ND and Vanderdoes's). So, most just don't see that changing in the next few weeks. However, without knowing whats really going on I can't say 0% chance but I'm in the camp that this ends poorly. 90% chance he doesn't show up in June.

 

[NDdomer2]

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[TheTurningPoint]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dad of ND recruit Eddie Vanderdoes says he does not support an incoming freshman being released from a NLI simply due to "change of heart"</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/337540666433355777">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Vanderdoes Dad: "When Eddie explains his side it will shed some light."</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/337540921258307584">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

he would wanna hurry up and explain himself because right now lots of **** is being flung at his direction

 

[rocket66]

This was probably mentioned 100000 times in this thread, but could his unhappiness be related to his future position at ND? I know his early concerns were that he didn't want to be a NT in a 3-4. Is is possible that Diaco and staff promised him to play DE before signing and then changed their tune after? Possibly saying its time to bulk up to replace Nix?

I just can't think of any other situation to where he would be getting cold feet considering he hasn't even stepped on campus yet. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Ah, the missing link we've all been waiting for. What in the world happened?!

 

[GoIrish41]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dad of ND recruit Eddie Vanderdoes says he does not support an incoming freshman being released from a NLI simply due to "change of heart"</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/337540666433355777">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Vanderdoes Dad: "When Eddie explains his side it will shed some light."</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/337540921258307584">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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so, let's hear it. and it better be a blockbuster of a reason because his dad is setting him up to look like a huge whiner otherwise.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

This was probably mentioned 100000 times in this thread, but could his unhappiness be related to his future position at ND? I know his early concerns were that he didn't want to be a NT in a 3-4. Is is possible that Diaco and staff promised him to play DE before signing and then changed their tune after? Possibly saying its time to bulk up to replace Nix?

I just can't think of any other situation to where he would be getting cold feet considering he hasn't even stepped on campus yet. It just doesn't make sense.

I guess this is a possibility. But didn't most of us think Day would be the NT of the future? He played a significant amount of reps last year at DE and as far as I know, is in line to start at DE this year. Not sure why the staff wouldn't take the same approach. Besides, why tell him before he even shows up? Why not let him get to camp and see how he does before they go changing things? Doesn't quite add up. If this turns out to be the reason, I'll be disappointed in how the staff handled this. I'll also understand better why EV would want to leave. Most, if not all, of these kids have NFL dreams. If he thinks DE is his best route to the League, then playing NT in a 3-4 isn't for him. Coaches, systems, and future positions play a huge role in college choice. If they changed things on him after he signed, I can see why he'd be upset. I guess we'll find out (hopefully sooner rather than later).

 

[Anchorman]

Some food for thought:

Kelly had a contract with Cincinnati before taking off.

Had one with ND while he interviewed in Philly, too.

 

[kmoose]

You say this isn't about religion, but it kind of is- this is Notre Dame where things are done differently. Certain standards are to be upheld.

Having honor and integrity has nothing to do with religion.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Having honor and integrity has nothing to do with religion.

Exactly

 

[kmoose]

Some food for thought:

Kelly had a contract with Cincinnati before taking off.

Had one with ND while he interviewed in Philly, too.

Some food for thought:

Kelly's contract with Cincinnati had a buyout clause, indicating that the University understood, at it's signing, that it was possible that Kelly would want to coach somewhere else in the future. He didn't violate his contract by taking the coaching job at ND.

He didn't leave ND for Philly, so that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[Anchorman]

Some food for thought:

Kelly's contract with Cincinnati had a buyout clause, indicating that the University understood, at it's signing, that it was possible that Kelly would want to coach somewhere else in the future. He didn't violate his contract by taking the coaching job at ND.

He didn't leave ND for Philly, so that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And his leaving pre-bowl game hardly instills a sense of loyalty.

He didn't leave, but he clearly entertained it.

My point is he may not be the best one to make the "made a commitment and stay to it" argument.

 

[GoIrish41]

Some food for thought:

Kelly's contract with Cincinnati had a buyout clause, indicating that the University understood, at it's signing, that it was possible that Kelly would want to coach somewhere else in the future. He didn't violate his contract by taking the coaching job at ND.

He didn't leave ND for Philly, so that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Vanderdoes hasn't "left" for UCLA yet either.

 

[NDdomer2]

Vanderdoes hasn't "left" for UCLA yet either.

no but it has been made clear they have hired lawyers to get him out of his LOI. he may not have physically left to go anywhere but he is trying to run the door over to get going.

 

[dublinirish]

if its taking EV so long to release his side of the story you gotta think its not gonna be a very good valid reason.

 

[koonja]

if its taking EV so long to release his side of the story you gotta think its not gonna be a very good valid reason.

That, or he's still trying to figure out what he wants to do. There's a few different possibly outcomes, hopefully we know soon. If UCLA was in contact and recruited EV after his LOI, that's unprecedented and UCLA will get destroyed for this.

Anyways, on an unrelated topic, there's this:

Mike Heuerman ‏@Mheuerman9 8h

Just got pulled over in the parking lot of my high school...had to thoroughly explain to Dep. Font on why I was lifting at BC past midnight

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Two things:

1. This isn't the construction industry
2. Who is being dramatic?

I suppose that I am glad that ND seems to be looking at all the options before making a decision. Also hope tha EV decides to stick around and be apart of something special.

Normally, I wouldn't carry a quote this far forward to make a point. But since it is perfect, hypocritical Fbolt; what the hay!

"Also hope tha EV decides to stick around and be apart of something special." This actually means be separate from anything that is special.

Maybe what you meant is be "a part"? As in "one member of"? HMM? You toothy little effin ex-Toledoan!

On another note, I am proud of you all not posting pictures of pooch screwing when Tad made his comment last night!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

if its taking EV so long to release his side of the story you gotta think its not gonna be a very good valid reason.

If lawyers are involved, that might be the reason for lack of statements out of the Vanderdoes camp.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Some food for thought:

Kelly had a contract with Cincinnati before taking off.

Had one with ND while he interviewed in Philly, too.

A) With a clause for a buyout; B) In a profession where moving up is the key to success; C) By an adult, who is trading time for money, and to the best of my understanding is an at will employee. So the one has nothing to do with another.