'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[NDohio]

It happens all over.

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And I could list twenty more articles about this. How is this a Notre Dame or a Brian Kelly issue? It's not. It's a college football issue.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

12 and 1.

It's the "1" that gets me. Because we didn't show up and it's obciously we cannot compete with the SEC yet on the athletic side. Guys like EV, give you that edge.

And the team we lost too?? They don't lose guys like this like we have lately. If you want to compete with the SEC brand of football (or at least the cream of the crop) you have to keep guys like this.

And those guys don't compare to EV. Sorry. You can give me the ND goggles all you want on those three, but EV is an absolute beast with a mean streak.

Do we have a great team? Yes. And we have some great talent. But if anything, the Bama game just proved to me that we have a long way to go, and guys like EV are the answer.

You're bordering on full retard now, Pat. Might want to step away from the keyboard before the neg reps start pouring in.

The 'Bama game showed we still have some building to do, mainly in the depth department, before we'll be ready to contend on an yearly basis. But 'Bama played their best game of the season, and we played our worst. So it's not an objective measure of how far we have to go.

 

[ndfb3]

who is AL? brain freeze

Never mind.... I've tried to block Lynch out of my mind.... Didn't know he tried to come back.

That Lynch guy who went to USF.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

DG and TS did not fulfill their academic requirements to play at ND.

AL tried to come back and the staff had had enough (headcase)

GK didn't want to sit behind our star QB with 3 more years of eligibility, and the highest profile school that wanted him was Cincy.

DN did not bail. He did not want to leave ND.

You recruit studs with fringe grades / lacking guidance / lacking moral fiber and this is what can happen. I honestly don't know how BK can be blamed for any of the above. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Hear what you are saying and know the history however the end result is these kids signed a LOI and are NOT at ND anymore.

 

[irishpat183]

EV committed to ND over Bama. That is not a "loss" for them?

That is the recuruiting war. And to be honest they had 2 five stars and 3 four stars on the d front that did commit....

We had EV and rochell.

It hurts us a whole lot more

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

...but this many over the course of the last couple of years? And BK's hands are clean?


I'm not buying it. And as much as you may disagree, I put Anazalone squarely on BK and his a$$hole shuffle with the Eagles early in the year.

I get that kids leave for dumb reasons. I really do. But there is something missing here.

What are you even talking about anymore? What exactly do you think is going on inside the Gug

 

[Whiskeyjack]

...but this many over the course of the last couple of years? And BK's hands are clean?

Looking at each case individually, yes, BK's hands are clean.

I'm not buying it. And as much as you may disagree, I put Anazalone squarely on BK and his a$$hole shuffle with the Eagles early in the year.

That's on you, Pat. You can't articulate what BK's doing wrong, so why should we be upset with him?

Maybe Anzalone signs his LOI if BK doesn't flirt with the Eagles. What are the chances he would have stuck? The kid was a flaky as they come. He did us a favor by bailing when he did.

I get that kids leave for dumb reasons. I really do. But there is something missing here.

Still waiting to hear your explanation on this.

 

[Ironman8]

...but this many over the course of the last couple of years? And BK's hands are clean?


I'm not buying it. And as much as you may disagree, I put Anazalone squarely on BK and his a$$hole shuffle with the Eagles early in the year.

I get that kids leave for dumb reasons. I really do. But there is something missing here.

I just explained more than half of them, all where it is plain that BK's "hands are clean".

If you honestly think that Anzalone used the BK to the Eagles thing as anything other than an excuse to pull one last flip to Florida then I don't know what to tell you other than I think you are being incredibly obtuse. The dude was on the road to move in at Florida less than 24 hours after the BK news broke. Quick packer?

 

[Ironman8]

Hear what you are saying and know the history however the end result is these kids signed a LOI and are NOT at ND anymore.

Ok but the causes of these end results are not what you were saying / inferring, thus my post. The only kid that truly bailed (did not want to be here / did not want to come back) out of any in your post was Gunner, a QB who did not have enough confidence in his abilities to compete for a starting job after a year on campus and seeing who was in front of him.

I don't see that as a huge loss personally, nor a disturbing trend that is in any way BK's fault. Why would you want BK to beg a QB to stick around who displays that type of self-confidence in the first place? Further, how would you keep him around? Hand the job to a RS Frosh QB with a confidence problem instead of a rising stud RS Soph QB who just took you to the NC game?

Not for me.

 

[NDPhilly]

BK to Philly was the perfect cop out for Anzalone.

 

[irishpat183]

You're bordering on full retard now, Pat. Might want to step away from the keyboard before the neg reps start pouring in.

The 'Bama game showed we still have some building to do, mainly in the depth department, before we'll be ready to contend on an yearly basis. But 'Bama played their best game of the season, and we played our worst. So it's not an objective measure of how far we have to go.

Bring it on. I'll be happy to return the favor.


And we were out manned in that game. There was a huge difference on the field. If you couldn't see that, then whatever.


Sorry, I still say that Kelly is a part of the problem with these kids leaving. Yes, I know you guys probably have photos of BK above your beds that you kiss goodnight, but even he isn't perfect.

 

[Ironman8]

That is the recuruiting war. And to be honest they had 2 five stars and 3 four stars on the d front that did commit....

We had EV and rochell.

It hurts us a whole lot more

1. Why are you including their 3-4 OLB propects in their D front guys and not ours?

2. Jacob Matuska

3. May absolutely hurt us more, but it is still a loss for them to lose out on a 5 star prospect who they wanted according to your logic, no?

 

[irishpat183]

I just don't get how it's sooooo far fetched that Kelly might have something to do with these kids leaving...LOL

It's what I believe. So whatever. Eventually, when enough guys have left (if the trend continues) you're gonna have to find anohther excuse than just "every recruit is a kid/crazy/home sick/grades"

 

[Redbar]

I don't want to feed into the speculation when this situation, despite all reports is still unresolved. I will, however, say that I am not above critiquing Coach when he deserves it, but I have learned one should be cautious doing it because Coach Kelly starts resolving problems in the mirror and he is a fast learner. I don't know how much more I can ask of a person. No one is perfect and I know Coach Kelly would be the first to agree with that statement, what I look for is how does a person handle their mistake? Do they look within first, do they make appropriate changes, do they redouble their efforts? I have to say I think Coach does this.
I think It was PA Golden Tate Fan who said it first and I'll add to it, the problems ND faces are problems in the wider culture and also within the institution. Culturally speaking let's just say some things have changed, but ND's mission and what Our Lady excels at is not changing. Growing up, becoming an adult is not always a comfortable thing. South Bend and Notre Dame offer some adversities that not everyone is willing to scale, that is not Coaches fault, in fact he is trying, and despite the on the field success, I would argue STILL trying to get the right equations for attracting top flight talent and being true to our mission. I am convinced there are a slew of other prominent coaches that would be to scared to even try this endeavor, and even if they did I am sure that they would be no better than Coach Kelly and probably a lot worse. Coach Kelly does get Notre Dame and he gets major college football in 2013, trying to marry the two is not an easy task. I am convinced that between Coach Kelly and Jack Swarbrick we would be hard pressed to find a better duo, if there is even one out there.
Sorry so long.

 

[Kanye West]

Bring it on. I'll be happy to return the favor.


And we were out manned in that game. There was a huge difference on the field. If you couldn't see that, then whatever.


Sorry, I still say that Kelly is a part of the problem with these kids leaving. Yes, I know you guys probably have photos of BK above your beds that you kiss goodnight, but even he isn't perfect.

He isn't perfect, obviously. But in his 3rd year he repaired alot of the damage done by the last 3 head coaches and did a great job in evaluating talent such as Bennet Jackson, KR, and Danny Spond. The best NFL 3-4 DE of the last 10 years is a converted TE, these are still young kids and some do have higher expectations than others coming in. But it is what they produce in those 4 years is what matters. Brian Kelly is going for the high-profile guys, and sometimes they may be egotistical or insecure and these guys are more likely to be busts. See Chris Martin, Omar Hunter, and others. The high-character foundation guys are actually here so we can go for the reaches rather than relying only on them.

 

[Ironman8]

Bring it on. I'll be happy to return the favor.


And we were out manned in that game. There was a huge difference on the field. If you couldn't see that, then whatever.


Sorry, I still say that Kelly is a part of the problem with these kids leaving. Yes, I know you guys probably have photos of BK above your beds that you kiss goodnight, but even he isn't perfect.

Who is saying he is perfect. All anyone is saying is that he is not to blame for these individual prospect losses.

Please tell us how he is part of the problem so we may have the chance to argue against it. No need to take immature pot shots just because you don't have an actual basis for your argument.

 

[Kanye West]

I just don't get how it's sooooo far fetched that Kelly might have something to do with these kids leaving...LOL

It's what I believe. So whatever. Eventually, when enough guys have left (if the trend continues) you're gonna have to find anohther excuse than just "every recruit is a kid/crazy/home sick/grades"

What coach doesn't lose out on recruits, or has transfers?

 

[PLACforever]

from Loy he is hearing this is more of a "change of heart"
He has un followed all the kids he followed from ND on Instagram
I know I told you guys earlier that from what I heard he will show up, but after I talked to someone earlier this afternoon it doesn't look good. I will change my prediction.

I follow mostly ND athletes on Instagram and the only one we have in common now is Skylar, lol.

 

[IrishinTN]

Hard for me to blame Kelly for a guy who never played for him. That does not compute. Tee didn't play for him, either. He left school before he got the chance. Lynch had other issues going on. Don' really see Kelly as the issue for any of those three.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Hindsight being what it is, surely BK could have done something to prevent some of these kids from leaving. That doesn't necessarily mean he's "to blame", but he is, like, the head coach and everything.

 

[Ironman8]

I just don't get how it's sooooo far fetched that Kelly might have something to do with these kids leaving...LOL

It's what I believe. So whatever. Eventually, when enough guys have left (if the trend continues) you're gonna have to find anohther excuse than just "every recruit is a kid/crazy/home sick/grades"

Present a plausible scenario for more than one of these guys where BK is specifically culpable or give it a rest. No need to keep stating your "opinion" just to say it, especially when it has nothing concrete behind it.

 

[NDPhilly]

The red dot represents Auburn, California; EV's hometown.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

The red dot represents Auburn, California; EV's hometown.

Red dot means he's pregnant, right?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And we were out manned in that game. There was a huge difference on the field. If you couldn't see that, then whatever.

Man, how can I argue against the good ole irishpat183 eye ball test? I'll stick with objective statistical analysis, thanks. According to FEI:

Alabama played its best game of the season on Monday night in a 42-14 victory over Notre Dame, but that’s understating it a bit. The Crimson Tide played the best college football game of the 2012 season period; the second straight year they have accomplished such a feat in the BCS title game. Yet, that’s still selling the win short. In the 2012 BCS championship match-up against the Fighting Irish, the Crimson Tide recorded the most dominant single game opponent-adjusted performance of the last ten years.

ND walked into that game having produced one the best statistical seasons in the nation. That didn't happen by accident.

Sorry, I still say that Kelly is a part of the problem with these kids leaving. Yes, I know you guys probably have photos of BK above your beds that you kiss goodnight, but even he isn't perfect.

Right, because everyone who disagrees with you has an irrational attachment to Kelly. Despite the fact that you haven't produced a single lick of evidence that Kelly is somehow to blame for these high profile defections.

 

[ND NYC]

i knew this one was trouble when i saw he trademarked "EV3" for his twitter handle.

or was it "EV4"

ps please get off the "this is a kelly problem".
**** happpens everywhere. i know it sucks...but what can you do?

interested to know the "hardship" here...anyone have any guesses?

does he have a GF?

 

[Kanye West]

Man, how can I argue against the good ole irishpat183 eye ball test?

I'll stick with objective statistical analysis, thanks. According to FEI:



ND walked into that game having produced one the best statistical seasons in the nation. That didn't happen by accident.



Right, because everyone who disagrees with you has an irrational attachment to Kelly. Despite the fact that you haven't produced a single lick of evidence that Kelly is somehow to blame for these high profile defections.

The fact that people are criticizing him after going the NCG and being ranked in the top 5 to finish the season for the firstime in 20 years, while still having a great recruiting class is laughable at best.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The fact that people are criticizing him after going the NCG and being ranked in the top 5 to finish the season for the firstime in 20 years, while still having a great recruiting class is laughable at best.

Seriously. It's moments like these that make it easy to understand why some people hate our fan base. Does anyone remember where we were before he took over?

We lost one of the four 5 recruits who signed in the 2013 class. That's a first world CFB problem if I ever saw one.

 

[DCIrish]

This whole thing shows you that following recruiting is stupid and just a waste of time. It's why I never get worked up over where some 18 year old decides to play college football. The only thing that really matters is the 12 Saturdays in the fall.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Pump the breaks guys -- I don't think anyone's questioning BK in the absolute.

 

[Kanye West]

Seriously. It's moments like these that make it easy to understand why some people hate our fan base. Does anyone remember where we were before he took over?

We lost one of the four 5 recruits who signed in the 2013 class. That's a first world CFB problem if I ever saw one.

We also have 2 4 star DEs right underneath him and have some great potential 2014 recruits. It's not the Omar Hunter days.