'13 AR DT Marquis Dickerson (Notre Dame Preferred Walk On)

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Ht: 6'3"
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According to ISD Nose tackle Marquis Dickerson from Marianna, Ark. will be a preferred walk on this coming season for the Irish

Marquis Dickerson - Yahoo! Sports
 
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Awesome. Welcome and congrats.

ISD said a lack of tape could be what prevented schools from offering. He received a text this week telling him to report to camp on August 4. How cool would it be to get that text?
 
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Wow, awesome. Can we change the title of this thread to his name? Welcome Marquis!
 

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Ill take any interior defenders at this point... Earn that scholie kid...
 

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Welcome Marquis, one of the premier defenses in the country could really benefit from you coming in and playing your best. That has to be exciting. Welcome to the IrishMob. Do your thing.
 

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Great for him and welcome Marquis, but this is very odd. Marianna, AR is a small town pretty much in the middle of nowhere and it's very poor - something like per capita annual income of $10,000. Maybe this particular kid comes from a family with money, but it's unlikely. How is he going to pay $50,000+ for school/does anyone know if preferred walk-ons are eligible for financial aid outside of athletic scholarships?
 

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Great for him and welcome Marquis, but this is very odd. Marianna, AR is a small town pretty much in the middle of nowhere and it's very poor - something like per capita annual income of $10,000. Maybe this particular kid comes from a family with money, but it's unlikely. How is he going to pay $50,000+ for school/does anyone know if preferred walk-ons are eligible for financial aid outside of athletic scholarships?
If you ask some ISU fans we just throw bagfuls of money at them so it shouldn't be an issue.
 

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Great for him and welcome Marquis, but this is very odd. Marianna, AR is a small town pretty much in the middle of nowhere and it's very poor - something like per capita annual income of $10,000. Maybe this particular kid comes from a family with money, but it's unlikely. How is he going to pay $50,000+ for school/does anyone know if preferred walk-ons are eligible for financial aid outside of athletic scholarships?

He will be eligible for financial aid just like any other student at the university. They meet "100% of financial need". If his family has very little money there is a good chance he'll get close to 100% of cost of attendance in aid. Speaking from experience, the financial aid office is very generous.
 
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Can we make this a recruit thread for the Mob?

Marquis, a chara,

Nár lagaí Dia do lámh!

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogtrotter

I actually have a really good feeling about this kid!
 

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He will be eligible for financial aid just like any other student at the university. They meet "100% of financial need". If his family has very little money there is a good chance he'll get close to 100% of cost of attendance in aid. Speaking from experience, the financial aid office is very generous.

So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule
 

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So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule

I'm sure that the "100%" financial aid does not mean 100% of tuition is covered. He would qualify for Perkins and Stafford sub/unsub loans and probably a Pell grant.
So he would be able to get funding for tuition but some will be loans.

That's my take anyway.
 

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So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule

Because that would be unethical and this is Notre Dame, not USC?
 

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TJ on II said that enhancing the PWO program with quality football players is a focus of the staff in regards to building the whole football program. They believe this will help them compete FAIRLY at an elite level. And to expect more of this.
 
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He received a text this week telling him to report to camp on August 4. How cool would it be to get that text?

A case like this happened to one of my best friends. His grandfather played football and basketball at Notre Same, but he went to a tiny high school (I graduated with 68). Our high school had a 28-game losing before, only to turn it around and won the conference and make the state playoffs. His parents were totally oblivious to how recruiting worked; he never sent out a tape, only went to one camp, etc. He tore NW Ohio D6 apart though and was first-team all-state as a result. He didn't have any offers and didn't really start looking at football as a college endeavour until after he graduated. Any who, he went to the NW Ohio All-Star Game (against kids largely from big schools) and tore it up for ~220 receiving yards and MVP.

The next day Toledo's head coach called him up and offered his a PWO spot. We were all pretty happy for him. As a sophomore many on TV were calling him the best WR in NW Ohio, until the Dane Sanzenbacher train started rolling. But I'll go to my grave thinking he was just as good as him.

/walk-on rant

Go walk-ons! And welcome to the Irishmob!
 

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So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule

I'm not sure how the NCAA goes about restricting it, but I do know that this kid will be eligible for need-based aid. If his parents actually make <20k combined he will likely get full coverage. I am almost certain that that's true.This is how the Ivy League gets a lot of their best athletes... they don't pay much tuition because they have financial aid.

Notre Dame hooks it up for kids who can't afford the school. This kid will be taken care of.
 
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I'm not sure how the NCAA goes about restricting it, but I do know that this kid will be eligible for need-based aid. If his parents actually make <20k combined he will likely get full coverage. I am almost certain that that's true.This is how the Ivy League gets a lot of their best athletes... they don't pay much tuition because they have financial aid.

I can tell you that a kid coming from a middle middle class family (somewhere around 100k combined income- which put me in the bottom 25% of the school) gets about half of tuition/room and board covered in grants and the rest in loans. That's with no siblings in school. With siblings in school, that just increases.

As you can guess... that kid was me. By my senior year (with 2 siblings at other schools) I had full tuition coverage in grants/a small scholarship and my room and board was covered because I was an RA.

Notre Dame hooks it up for kids who can't afford the school. This kid will be taken care of.

AND...this is a beautiful thing. Tear it up young man.
 
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This is why I love Bogs. Sell me on this kid. Keep in mind the fact that he is walking-on at ND speaks volumes about the type of kid I assume he is.

I checked a little. This kids high school doesn't really have much game film. Lee High School doesn't have much of anything. There is a private school.

The town sits on the north-west tip of St. Francis National Forest. Here is the demographich information for the town:

As of the census[3] of 2010, there were 4,115 people, 1,664 households, and 1,068 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,440.0 people per square mile (555.7/km²). There were 2,196 housing units at an average density of 610.4 per square mile (235.5/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 20.9% White, 76.6% Black or African American, 0.2% Native American, 0.8% Asian, 0.0% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. 0.7% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 1,664 households out of which 27.6% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 27.8% were married couples living together, 31.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 35.8% were non-families. 32.8% of all households were made up of individuals and 13.7% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.43 and the average family size was 3.10.

In the city the population was spread out with 34.4% under the age of 18, 9.5% from 18 to 24, 22.0% from 25 to 44, 19.4% from 45 to 64, and 14.7% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 31 years. For every 100 females there were 77.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 70.6 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $16,351, and the median income for a family was $29,624. Males had a median income of $28,542 versus $19,045 for females. The per capita income for the city was $10,253. About 32.8% of families and 37.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 46.2% of those under age 18 and 33.1% of those age 65 or over.

Buster talked about his friend not being acquainted with the football world and having a big adjustment. This kid is coming for a community that is about as diametrically opposed to those the majority of ND kids come from as possible. I am praying my a$$ off that this kid is accepted for his own merit. I don't think there is much authorship to extrapolate that just this kid showing up at ND requires more courage than most can imagine.
 

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Because that would be unethical and this is Notre Dame, not USC?

Note my original post:

"So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule."

This seems like a huge loophole to me. And yes, I realize ND meets 100% of demonstrated need, I got a decent amount myself, but why couldn't, for example, Louis Nix - whose financial problems at home have been well documented - just be considered a preferred walk-on, receive his tuition/room and board in the form of need-based grants, and save a football scholarship?
 

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Note my original post:

"So what's to stop us or anyone else from making all the poor kids we recruit, even if they're a 5-star type guy, preferred walk-ons and giving them a full ride based on demonstrated need? This would effectively give us an unlimited number of available scholarships. There's no chance that's the correct interpretation of the rule."

This seems like a huge loophole to me. And yes, I realize ND meets 100% of demonstrated need, I got a decent amount myself, but why couldn't, for example, Louis Nix - whose financial problems at home have been well documented - just be considered a preferred walk-on, receive his tuition/room and board in the form of need-based grants, and save a football scholarship?

I would assume that a lot of highly ranked recruits would not like the idea of being a PWO just because of income. Many of them would probably choose to go to a school that would offer a full scholarship instead of asking them to be a PWO. Unless it was their dream school, like a couple guys that have gone the PWO route even while having offers from other schools. What if Jaylon Smith could have qualified for full financial aid, do you think a 5 star player like himself would be satisfied with being a PWO when every other major college was offering a full scholarship? I highly doubt it.
 

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Very great congratulations, young man, for being accepted into the overall best university for undergraduate personhood development in the country. May you also benefit from the wonderful coaching and training here, so you can continue your amazing upward trajectory as an athlete.


For the benefit {?} of my IE brothers, here are a few gleanings that I have about our young hopeful superman:
1: He was accepted into Notre Dame at the end of March. His ACT score was, I believe, 24.

2: He went to the spring game, I am pretty sure, in mid-April. This indicates to me that "something" was going on with Marquis and Kelly for a long time.

3: He played for a team which was so terrible that it is hard to imagine it. They seemed to lose every game that I saw scores for by fifty points. Buried as he was as a gemstone in a haystack [to mix metaphors], it is not odd that few recruiters were looking at his games.

4: He seems to be a young man undergoing a big growth spurt. From his sophomore year to his senior year, he has grown from 6'0" to 6'3", and from 220 to 265 pounds. Who knows what his base stats are this minute?

5: He had a mediocre bench [240] but I'll bet dollars there was no weight training maybe at all. His vertical is 25", which is OK for a big man. He must be very athletic to have stood out enough on that horrible team to have been voted pre-season All-State defense.

6: Again, he must have been continuously double teamed, but had in his career about 200 tackles, 19 sacks, 9 forced fumbles and five recoveries. I am not sure if these include senior stats but probably do.

My assessment for whatever it's worth, is that this young man is a genuine possibility as a future contributor. If he continues to grow, and we know that his strength gain is about to rocket off when he gets into Longo Land, and if his athleticism is a high as what it seems it might be with training, young Marquis could really blossom.

The biggest mystery in all this is: how in the heck did Kelly find him?? Did Our Lady help point him out? Aid from Above is always welcome....
 
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