'14 IL TE Nic Weishar (Notre Dame Signee)

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If you were Tyler, look at the depth chart at the TE position. I'm 100 percent sure the staff is going to recruit him until the last breath but you can't blame Tyler if he goes to other school. I think is a Sony Michel situation with the current running backs at ND. So much talent at some position and everybody can not play.

I mean there is a scenario we lose both Welch and Niklas after this year, if Niklas has a very good year. He has all the tools to be another high draft pick at TE for ND, in the mold of a Gronkowski type TE. That would leave us with just Koyack, Heuerman and Smythe on the roster, along with whoever comes in this year.

Considering the fact we now routinely have two TE's on the field, and the rate at which we pump out high draft picks at that position, I don't think that is an imposing depth chart by any means.
 

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If you were Tyler, look at the depth chart at the TE position. I'm 100 percent sure the staff is going to recruit him until the last breath but you can't blame Tyler if he goes to other school. I think is a Sony Michel situation with the current running backs at ND. So much talent at some position and everybody can not play.

Like BleedBlueGold said, is not just being recruited at TE.
 

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I mean there is a scenario we lose both Welch and Niklas after this year, if Niklas has a very good year. He has all the tools to be another high draft pick at TE for ND, in the mold of a Gronkowski type TE. That would leave us with just Koyack, Heuerman and Smythe on the roster, along with whoever comes in this year.

Considering the fact we now routinely have two TE's on the field, and the rate at which we pump out high draft picks at that position, I don't think that is an imposing depth chart by any means.

i hear what you're saying, but even if Niklas has a great year i think he'd stay to get his degree...would be a great situation to be in for us and him
 
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Just watched his tape. If he can add the weight to be a true TE, I think we got a great pickup today. If he never bulks up and is strictly a WR, he's probably about as skilled as John Goodman I'd say.
 

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In regards to Tyler, never pick a school based on depth chart.

Tyler was a three-star prospect with no big time offers except ND. Tyler (Luatua) is being pursued around all the country and maybe is the best player in the country at his TE position.
 
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Tyler was a three-star prospect with no big time offers except ND. Tyler (Luatua) is being pursued around all the country and maybe is the best player in the country at his TE position.

Yes. Thank you. I'm well aware.
 
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I mean there is a scenario we lose both Welch and Niklas after this year, if Niklas has a very good year. He has all the tools to be another high draft pick at TE for ND, in the mold of a Gronkowski type TE. That would leave us with just Koyack, Heuerman and Smythe on the roster, along with whoever comes in this year.

Considering the fact we now routinely have two TE's on the field, and the rate at which we pump out high draft picks at that position, I don't think that is an imposing depth chart by any means.

Welch? Welch and Niklas haven't played enough, but Niklas is so physically imposing, he may go on that basis. I don't have the feeling that either will leave at this point.
 
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Nic, a chara,

Go dtuga Dia thógann an t-ualach ar grief ó do chroí, agus mar sin go léir a bhfuil tú go bhfuil an cuimhní órga ar an saol go maith ina gcónaí!

Nár lagaí Dia do lámh!

Beir bua agus beannacht,

The Bogtrotter
 

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Wait a minute, is that you Alex or you Ironman?



Just kidding.



Don't you think the NFL would be a little shy until they saw more than one season from a player?

I see you edited your original post. Niklas would be in his second year of full time TE action, and this year he has the chance to be our undisputed #1 option at that position. Add to that the fact that he has a chance to be a monster blocker at that position, and he is a great all around NFL TE prospect.

Welch is will be a senior this fall. We can not assume he will be back as a 5th year in 2014, can we? Numbers may get tight, and he is coming off a major injury.
 

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I can see what Ironman is saying. Suppose Troy kills it this year and the NFL decides he's ready simply because he's 6'7" with soft hands, and Welch (God forbid) suffers another knee injury... Then you're down to three guys, only one of which will have any experience.
 
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I see you edited your original post. Niklas would be in his second year of full time TE action, and this year he has the chance to be our undisputed #1 option at that position. Add to that the fact that he has a chance to be a monster blocker at that position, and he is a great all around NFL TE prospect.

Welch is will be a senior this fall. We can not assume he will be back as a 5th year in 2014, can we? Numbers may get tight, and he is coming off a major injury.

This cat's scarry. He reads minds.
 

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Oh I totally agree, someone posted earlier saying that, in an interview, his head coach said that Nic was around 225-230. That is perfect for a high school tight end.

I agree: it's perfect. I don't want a kid's back and knees dealing with too much weight too fast. I guess I am just sensitive since people seem to be worried about pre-frosh Mike Humerman's weight. He has plenty of time!

I was saying that if his body filled out at 220 or so, I wouldn't mind having two wide receivers at 6'5" (Corey and Nic)

Me neither. Football goes in waves. I feel like we are adopting a power-spread mentality which is premised on creating mismatches and playing to the defense's weakness

- If they are huge, get them spread out and force them to make athletic plays
- If they are smaller and faster, overpower them
- If they are Alabama... hope for NCAA sanctions :(

The only issue is a lack of identity. I think we struggle with that sometimes.
 
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Hmmmmm..... 24/7 says 4* according to our front page [and we like 24/7 don't we?], plus #8 TE and #205 best-in-nation. If one recruited "20" of the "200" best in nation, then, let's see --- the math is tough---, that would be like getting 10% of the nation's best players. Wonder if a great player development coaching staff could do anything with that?

And.... Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Ole Miss offered. Hmmmm.... could our staff be all alone among elite staffs thinking that this guy is REALLY good?

And.... our staff offered a year ago, and kept liking him right through three visits.

What's to worry about? Notre Dame just got a commitment from a terrific talent.

THANK YOU for coming to the Notre Dame family, young man. We'll sing your praises in future Gold-&-Blue!


As a small aside: I get a very strong "itch" that Coach is going towards a six-TE per season roster very soon. He is REALLY loving his "new" monster receiver vision of offense. Our coming propensity of putting an inline TE and a flanked "TE" on the field is growing towards 50%. That translates in the math to one-and-a-half TE-like positions out of the 22. Roster management swings away from four TE rosters to six. {Luatua come on down! There's plenty of TE playing time for You and Nic both}.
 
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Hmmmmm..... 24/7 says 4* according to our front page [and we like 24/7 don't we?], plus #8 TE and #205 best-in-nation. If one recruited "20" of the "200" best in nation, then, let's see --- the math is tough---, that would be like getting 10% of the nation's best players. Wonder if a great player development coaching staff could do anything with that?

And.... Ohio Sate, Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Ole Miss offered. Hmmmm.... could our staff be all alone among elite staffs thinking that this guy is REALLY good?

And.... our staff offered a year ago, and kept liking him right through three visits.

What's to worry about? Notre Dame just got a commitment from a terrific talent.

THANK YOU for coming to the Notre Dame family, young man. We'll sing your praises in future Gold-&-Blue!


As a small aside: I get a very strong "itch" that Coach is going towards a six-TE per season roster very soon. He is REALLY loving his "new" monster receiver vision of offense. Our coming propensity of putting an inline TE and a flanked "TE" on the field is growing towards 50%. That translates in the math to one-and-a-half TE-like positions out of the 22. Roster management swings away from four TE rosters to six. {Luatua come on down! There's plenty of TE playing time for You and Nic both}.

The insider on II, TJ, also stated that Nic was the #1 flex TE on our board, although there was not a consensus among all the TE's besides Luatua being the #1 traditional TE. They really thought they would have a hard time pulling him from Northwestern, and were not sure he would even choose the Irish.

Sean Mele on ISD is also very high on Nic. He definitely has the most athleticism out of the three Midwest TE's that just announced, and the word from all those with knowledge is that he is a 'gamer' and a 'true competitor'.

The more I read about Nic, the more I love this pickup. Very glad he is on board.
 

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The insider on II, TJ, also stated that Nic was the #1 flex TE on our board, although there was not a consensus among all the TE's besides Luatua being the #1 traditional TE. They really thought they would have a hard time pulling him from Northwestern, and were not sure he would even choose the Irish.

Sean Mele on ISD is also very high on Nic. He definitely has the most athleticism out of the three Midwest TE's that just announced, and the word from all those with knowledge is that he is a 'gamer' and a 'true competitor'.

The more I read about Nic, the more I love this pickup. Very glad he is on board.

i really like the sound of that.
 
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He doesn't have a great build right now, but you can tell he's 'tough' from his film. He finishes every play with his shoulder in someone. If he can become a true TE I think he's a great get.
 

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He doesn't have a great build right now, but you can tell he's 'tough' from his film. He finishes every play with his shoulder in someone. If he can become a true TE I think he's a great get.

Apparently, he is up to 230lbs right now. That is not bad at all coming in his senior season. I love how he plays football personally. A lot of Eifert in him.
 

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As a small aside: I get a very strong "itch" that Coach is going towards a six-TE per season roster very soon. He is REALLY loving his "new" monster receiver vision of offense. Our coming propensity of putting an inline TE and a flanked "TE" on the field is growing towards 50%. That translates in the math to one-and-a-half TE-like positions out of the 22. Roster management swings away from four TE rosters to six. {Luatua come on down! There's plenty of TE playing time for You and Nic both}.

This is EXACTLY what is happening, IMO as well.

It seems that our base offense is elminating the hypothetical super-quick slot and replacing it with a bruising slot: either a powerful WR or a recieving TE. Basically:

- 1 RB/slot hybrid (Amir, Bryant, Folston)
- 1 boundary WR (Daniels, Robinson, Brent)
- 1 jack-of-all trades (TJ, Fuller, Hunter)
- 1 traditional TE (Nicklas, Welch, Koyack, Smythe/Weishar)
- 1 jumbo slot (Prosise, Onuwalu, Huemerman, Smythe/Weishar)

Future superquick kids will have to either be able to play RB or the second WR position to stay on the field. Obviously, we get out of our base a lot.
 
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Great, great piece on Nic and the loss of his brother from Beth Long of Scout.com:

Scout.com: Weishar Keeps Brother's Memory Close

It only took one event, but Chicago Marist tight end Nic Weishar's life, recruiting process, and football career was forever changed.

From the outside in, Chicago Marist (Ill.) junior tight end Nic Weishar recruitment looks fairly normal, but in reality, the past year has been anything but routine.

“Last year was pretty good for me, but also pretty hard for my family and I,” Weishar said.

Weishar, saw his older brother, Andrew Weishar’s three year long battle with colon cancer come to an end in October.

“My brother battled cancer since he was 19,” Weishar reflected. “He was 22 when he passed away. It was hard to see him struggle every day.”

Nic, who is 17, learned many lessons from his older brother and is proud to eventually follow in his footsteps to play college football.

“He went to Illinois Wesleyan and played football freshman year,” Weishar said. “And then he got sick and started chemo that summer, but whenever he could go to the games he was there for his friends on the team as much as he could be.”

Although only a junior, Nic currently has 19 offers now, and is holding Andrew's advice dear.

“Recruiting wise, he was always just really interested and really wanted what was best for me. He loved to go on the visits with me and I am so glad I got to share those experiences with him.”

One of the moments that Weishar remembers the most, was a moment on a recruiting trip with his oldest brother.

“I remember going to Michigan and Andrew was with us then, and we sat down with Coach Hoke for an hour and a half or so,” Weishar said. “And he loved Coach Hoke and similar with the other places we visited together.”

Plus, Andrew always had good advice for his youngest brother.

“He always told me his opinion on coaches and the visits,” Weishar said. “And those stick with me too. I love to have those memories and I will keep those things in mind when I am making my decision on a college.”

The advice was not limited to recruiting. Andrew was also there to critique his younger brother on the field, even in moments of success.

“I could have four or five touchdowns in a game, but after every game he would still tell me what I did wrong,” Weishar reflected fondly. “I would be all excited about the win and he would sit me down in the living room after watching the game from the stands or online, and he would tell me what I needed to improve on to get better.”

Weishar added, “He definitely kept me grounded.”

Then came October 12th, 2012.

Weishar was suiting up for one of Marist’s toughest opponents of the season, Benet Academy, and things changed all too suddenly. Football, one important part of the brothers' relationship became part of a healing process.

“When he passed away, it was a Friday and we had a game that day,” Weishar said. “And I thought about it and talked about it with my family, and I knew he would want me to play. It was a hard decision because obviously I wasn't in the best state of mind. It was a tough decision, but when I thought about it I think my family needed me to play, and try to get my mind and their mind off of everything.”

And with a small laugh Weishar added, “I think Andrew would have been angry if I didn’t play.”

From that point on, the game of football means something entirely different to Weishar and his family.

“That is when I decided to dedicate the season to him, and every season I ever play to him,” Weishar said. “Every game I just thought about him, and in practices as well, because I knew he really wanted to but wasn't able to play football again.”

In Andrew’s honor, Nic carries a symbol of his brother's battle onto the field with him each and every game.

“We have blue wrist bands because colon cancer is represented by blue, so we all had those made,” Weishar said. “I wear it every day, I don’t take it off.”

And on Friday night, under the lights that little wrist band speaks volumes to Weishar.

“In high school football you aren’t supposed to wear that kind of stuff but I wouldn’t play a down without it,” Weishar said. “In fact, during one game, my glove got torn off, and I had it on under my glove, the referee saw it and yelled at me to take it off.”

Weishar didn’t and hid it quickly back under his glove -- until the same thing happened again.

“The referee stopped the game and he made me take it off. Then he went over to the sideline and gave it to my coach,” Weishar said. “As soon as the play was over I went to the sideline and he gave it right back and I hid it under my glove again. I feel naked when I don’t have it on.”

But it isn’t just the good memories that Weishar leaned on throughout the tough times.

“I spent a lot of time with my coaches when all these things were happening, and Coach Pat Dunne told me what makes me special is my faith and how I believe and that everything happens for a reason.”

He continued, “I learned just to never shy away from your faith and that really helped me get though this as well, and I will definitely be praying on my college decision when I make it.”

Plus, Weishar also learned that when times get tough, family is still there.

“I know that throughout this whole battle, and just experiencing it with my family I had to grow up a little faster and learn how to talk to the meida and coaches,” Weishar said. “The best thing about me now is that I realized I love football but first and foremost is family, that is the biggest thing that I have learned though this entire last year and a half.”

And those priorities won’t change as Weishar continues to move closer and closer to college football.

“My family is going to be a key part, for example their opinion on visits, they see things on visits that I haven’t seen, they pick up on things that I don’t see, and just getting their advice on what they see and how they feel,” Weishar said. “Ultimately they just want me to be happy and I know they trust me and they will be happy with whatever I do.”

In the meantime, Nic and his brother Danny are heading up a foundation in memory of Andrew.

“It’s called the Andrew Weisher foundation, my other brother Danny is running it too,” Weishar said. “We are planning a big event this summer, and we are calling it ‘Weish Fest,’ its August 3rd and it will be a big festival with music, and it will be a fun time.”

Although the past several years have been hard for Nic, he knows he will come out on top.

“I just think that I learned though this whole process that I am truly blessed, more than I could imagine,” Weishar said. “It was very hard for me. but I am happy that he was able to be around through the last couple years.”
 

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I can see what Ironman is saying. Suppose Troy kills it this year and the NFL decides he's ready simply because he's 6'7" with soft hands, and Welch (God forbid) suffers another knee injury... Then you're down to three guys, only one of which will have any experience.

I thought Welch had a foot problem? Or am I thinking of someone else?
 
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FWIW - According to the IE profiles, Nic has as many offers as any of the 3 other TEs that recently committed. In fact, he has one more (19) than the next person (18 - Jeb).
 
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