'12 VA S C.J. Prosise (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[koonja]

I don't know why everyone is giving me a hard time over the comparison.

1. They both were tabbed as DBs coming out of HS.
2. They're both black - so the 'same race only' comparison rule isn't violated.
3. They both come from states that touch oceans.
4. They were both ran track in HS.
5. Each lists 1 SEC offer in their Rivals profile, indicating that they had a chance of being legitimate football players because only players offered by the SEC are any good.

Lot of similarities.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I don't know why everyone is giving me a hard time over the comparison.

1. They both were tabbed as DBs coming out of HS.
2. They're both black - so the 'same race only' comparison rule isn't violated.
3. They both come from states that touch oceans.
4. They were both ran track in HS.
5. Each lists 1 SEC offer in their Rivals profile, indicating that they had a chance of being legitimate football players because only players offered by the SEC are any good.

Lot of similarities.

You have to much free time on your hands my friend.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't know why everyone is giving me a hard time over the comparison.

1. They both were tabbed as DBs coming out of HS.
2. They're both black - so the 'same race only' comparison rule isn't violated.
3. They both come from states that touch oceans.
4. They were both ran track in HS.
5. Each lists 1 SEC offer in their Rivals profile, indicating that they had a chance of being legitimate football players because only players offered by the SEC are any good.

Lot of similarities.

I see what you're doing there and I like it!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I see no reason for skepticism about Mr Prosise and his potential at WR.

Coach moved Jackson from a 3rd tier WR to corner and he is starting for a great defense and playing corner like a champ.

Coach moved the newbie recruit Russel from WR/RB to corner as just a freshman and then let him start, and despite a big dose of skepticism from some---all we got from that was a freshman AA and one of the best looking young CBs at ND in a long time.

Coach made this move with Prosise and has been raving about the results, raving not only about the play of the redshirt but the speed that he is developing at the new position.

This all feels to me like the reverse of the Kievarae move and one that could bring just as impactful results to the offense as the Russel move had on the defense.

Prosise has been creating the buzz from spectators and coaches that alot of us were expecting to be getting from Davonte Neal this spring--personally, given the coaches assessments, i think a healthy dose of excitment over adding this new weapon to the arsenal is more appropriate then skepticism.

And of course there is Mathias Farley . . .

But here is the rub:

“I think it’s incredibly important to have a guy there that has the versatility to do several things,” Denbrock explained about the slot position. “He has to be physical enough to block an alley defender who could be an outside linebacker, but also be able to do some things with quickness once he gets the ball in his hands.”

“You’re going to see us as you did a year ago use a number of different guys in a number of different spots including slot,” he continued. “We’re going to tailor what we do with what the guys are good at and judge it that way as we go. We’re still really evaluating all that stuff right now. I’d say the job’s open for anybody who proves that they’ve got the ability to go in there and do something positive for our offense.”

Mike Denbrock

Who is next?

Joining Jones as a veteran leader is Daniel Smith, who gained notoriety last season as a blocker more so than a receiver. But Denbrock feels Smith has the ability to go beyond being just a weapon used in the running game.

“I think Danny (Smith) understands there’s a level to his game that still needs to be achieved as far as his route running and some other things,” Denbrock stated. “But you talk about a guy with fantastic athletic ability and ball skills - Danny Smith registers right up there with anybody we have.”

One of the more unknown veterans with good ball skills and Smith’s penchant for blocking is Luke Massa. Denbrock believes the 6-foot-4, 234-pounder’s size will be an asset in more than one way moving forward.

“Luke (Massa) can do a number of different things for us,” Denbrock said. “He’s a big-bodied guy who can get body position as a big receiver and help us in the run game as a blocker. He can also sit himself down in some zones and catch the football - he has a nice set of hands.”

A week or two ago I made a prediction that this wide receiver corps would be prolific as hell. I likened them to radioactive zombies or some such hyperbolic nonsense.

OldManMIKE has been preaching about big bodied receivers, too. Every article I have read, every word I have heard; "block first, but capable of so much more!" And every time I am hearing about CJ, TJ, CBreezy, Daniel Smith, Luke Masa, Amir Carlisle, James Onwaulu, and Corey Robinson. EVERYBODY. Everybody has the ATTITUDE, not just to play but to compete at the highest level.

Oh, yeah and by the way, Torri Hunter is way ahead of schedule. He had surgery on Jan 2nd, and he has been walking for like two months! He wasn't even supposed to be walking yet. The dude is using a hyperbolic chamber to increase oxygen flow to his leg to promote healing. He can taste playing, he cannot wait!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Crazy talk.

Time to lay off of the silly sauce...

You have to much free time on your hands my friend.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's pretty darn easy to say someone is not going to be like Marquis Lee... Lee is one of the best in the business. It's a bold comparison.

However, like Eifert, Prosise is a big, fast kid who came out of an area that is not on the national radar for Tier 1 recruits. He dominated his level of competition. While that that doesn't tell you too much (since it wasn't that great), it does tell you he did as much as he possibly could. What else can a kid do except dominate? Admittedly, it hard to gague his ceiling from playing in that league. But it does tell you he is not a John Turner-esque project (someone with the physical tools who did not always dominate lesser compettion). His coach was also very clear that he would surprise people with his athleticism.

All that said, if the kid has ball skills and discipline as our coaches are saying, then I don't know why you wouldn't expect really big things from a 6'1" 210 COLLEGE lb. WR that runs a sub 4.6--especially when you have quality TEs and WRs taking the heat off of him. Just like I don't know why you would expect big things from 6'1" 180 lb top-flight hurdler, if you find out the kid loves competition and has a nasty streak.

On the other hand, Lee does it with everyone tageting him every week. That is one thing I am confident we aren't going to get with Prosise.

And in general, I favor size over speed for WRs... as long as we are in the world of legitimate BCS calibur athletes and asuming both are running good routes. I'd rather have Michael Floyd than Marquis Lee. I like having guys who have a chance at the ball even if the defense is playing perfectly.

 

[IrishLax]

The amount of people unable to detect obvious sarcasm even when multiple giveaway hints are provided is astounding to me.

 

[irishog77]

The amount of people unable to detect obvious sarcasm even when multiple giveaway hints are provided is astounding to me.

The "both from states that border the ocean" reason was priceless, dude. Well done!

 

[Irishcop]

I don't know why everyone is giving me a hard time over the comparison.

1. They both were tabbed as DBs coming out of HS.
2. They're both black - so the 'same race only' comparison rule isn't violated.
3. They both come from states that touch oceans.
4. They were both ran track in HS.
5. Each lists 1 SEC offer in their Rivals profile, indicating that they had a chance of being legitimate football players because only players offered by the SEC are any good.

Lot of similarities.

This is hilarious, especially # 5.

 

[IrishSpartan]

The amount of people unable to detect obvious sarcasm even when multiple giveaway hints are provided is astounding to me.

Jokes on you when he turns out to be like him

 

[irishpat183]

I don't know why everyone is giving me a hard time over the comparison.

1. They both were tabbed as DBs coming out of HS.
2. They're both black - so the 'same race only' comparison rule isn't violated.
3. They both come from states that touch oceans.
4. They were both ran track in HS.
5. Each lists 1 SEC offer in their Rivals profile, indicating that they had a chance of being legitimate football players because only players offered by the SEC are any good.

Lot of similarities.

The homers don't get it......I do.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The amount of people unable to detect obvious sarcasm even when multiple giveaway hints are provided is astounding to me.

I knew you were joking when you put together that list. That is why I said you have to much damn free time on your hands.

 

[IrishLax]

I knew you were joking when you put together that list. That is why I said you have to much damn free time on your hands.

Yeah, I saw that. No worries, you were not one of the ones. Those that honestly thought I would hcompare CJ Prosise to the reigning Biletnikoff winner and likely Top 10 pick know who they are.

 

[Luckylucci]

Well fellas the last page of posts served as a great laugh this morning, well done.

 

[koonja]

Yeah, I saw that. No worries, you were not one of the ones. Those that honestly thought I would hcompare CJ Prosise to the reigning Biletnikoff winner and likely Top 10 pick know who they are.

I thought you were blinded by your Virginia roots with Proise. I actually thought you were serious until you made the top 5 list. To be fair, it wasn't your best work so it was hard to see why you'd be sarcastic .

 

[irishpat183]

Yeah, I saw that. No worries, you were not one of the ones. Those that honestly thought I would hcompare CJ Prosise to the reigning Biletnikoff winner and likely Top 10 pick know who they are.

I thought you were blinded by your Virginia roots with Proise. I actually thought you were serious until you made the top 5 list. To be fair, it wasn't your best work so it was hard to see why you'd be sarcastic .

You guys forgot the "WAIT TIL LONGO GETS A HOLD OF HIM"


LOL

 

[koonja]

You guys forgot the "WAIT TIL LONGO GETS A HOLD OF HIM"


LOL

I'm 5'8", 175 and I haven't seen an ab on myself since I dressed up like Hulk Hogan for Halloween, but after some of the praise I've heard on here I'm not sure Longo couldn't make me an all-American given 4 years. Oh, and I'm white, so pretty much the next Danny Woodhead.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The amount of people unable to detect obvious sarcasm even when multiple giveaway hints are provided is astounding to me.

I actually think it has become more of a "message board cliche" to go after people who make bold comparisons, then to actually make the comparison in the first place.

There seem to be a whole crowd of people just waiting to type "RIDICULOUS!!!!" whenever a kid gets dubbed "the next" so-and-so. Similarly, there is a crowd of people just waiting for someone to compare a white WR to another white WR, so they can type how that is obviously ridiculous and semit-racist. It doesn't even matter if the compaision is good: the cliche has gotten flipped on its head.

In any event, I think it's easy to assume that Prosise, like 99% of college football players, will not be a standout. However, I think there are some indicators that he may just be. 6'1, 215, 4.55 is pretty darn impressive... Every pound of muscle a WR can get after 185 without slowing down makes a big, big difference. 215-220 lbs. is pretty impressive. If he can block and catch, watch out!

 

[BeauBenken]

I'm 5'8", 175 and I haven't seen an ab on myself since I dressed up like Hulk Hogan for Halloween, but after some of the praise I've heard on here I'm not sure Longo couldn't make me an all-American given 4 years. Oh, and I'm white, so pretty much the next Danny Woodhead.

Just think if Rudy would have had Longo! He would have had probably 4 sacks in that game...

 

[Irish#1]

Just think if Rudy would have had Longo! He would have had probably 4 sacks in that game...

Best one yet.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Oh, man, the tears are just rolling down my face; my thigh is sore from so much slapping.


Now can we break up your circle, and get back to Irish football?

 

[PANDFAN]

guys on isd stated they expect him to move back to safety over spring

 

[tko]

guys on isd stated they expect him to move back to safety over spring

Even less reps for Max?

 

[IrishLax]

guys on isd stated they expect him to move back to safety over spring

SO. DUMB.

He could've started there this year if they kept him at safety. Now what? You have a ridiculous log jam there moving him back. Just completely wasted a year of progression for no reason if this happens.

 

[Emcee77]

guys on isd stated they expect him to move back to safety over spring

Really ... That would surprise me. Seems like we have plenty of safeties for the spring (I counted 7 scholarship players for two spots) and not that many WRs (I counted 7 scholarship players for 3 spots, including C.J.)

Will Baratti not be recovered from his injury by then? Will Collinsworth not get a 5th year? Either of those things would help me understand this.

Right now I like Prosise at WR to play the Daniel Smith role. But then they might be grooming Onwualu for that.

 

[PANDFAN]

Really ... That would surprise me. Seems like we have plenty of safeties for the spring (I counted 7 scholarship players for two spots) and not that many WRs (I counted 7 scholarship players for 3 spots, including C.J.)

Will Baratti not be recovered from his injury by then? Will Collinsworth not get a 5th year? Either of those things would help me understand this.

Right now I like Prosise at WR to play the Daniel Smith role. But then they might be grooming Onwualu for that.

they think we will go after a wr's coach-denbrock to oc/qb...................returning starters who will have to battle for their position is the question....answer: chris brown will he start? when was the last time we heard his name, if he doesn't take a step forward there is corey robinson, will fuller , kelly really high on tori, james , cj--we will have to see but i really wouldn't be surprised if he isn't moved to safety over spring.

 

[IrishLion]

Either way there is going to be a log jam at both positions.

Farley, Shumate, Redfield, Barratti, Hardy, Turner, Prosise

Daniels, Robinson, Brown, Fuller, Onwualu, Hunter, Brent, (and maybe Holmes and another after Spring).

The logjam looks much worse at safety with Prosise included, especially if Collinsworth is back, but if everyone at WR stays healthy, it will be just as hard to get reps there for Prosise.

 

[Cackalacky]

Very surprising. Maybe he just is not doing what they want on offense and will put him back at his natural position?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Really ... That would surprise me. Seems like we have plenty of safeties for the spring (I counted 7 scholarship players for two spots) and not that many WRs (I counted 7 scholarship players for 3 spots, including C.J.)

Will Baratti not be recovered from his injury by then? Will Collinsworth not get a 5th year? Either of those things would help me understand this.

Right now I like Prosise at WR to play the Daniel Smith role. But then they might be grooming Onwualu for that.

This must mean that Dalton Schultz is a silent and we will be moving exclusively to 5 TE formations.

 

[Cackalacky]

Either way there is going to be a log jam at both positions.

Farley, Shumate, Redfield, Barratti, Hardy, Turner, Prosise

Daniels, Robinson, Brown, Fuller, Onwualu, Hunter, Brent, (and maybe Holmes and another after Spring).

The logjam looks much worse at safety with Prosise included, especially if Collinsworth is back, but if everyone at WR stays healthy, it will be just as hard to get reps there for Prosise.

I don't mind the logjam. Isn't this what we want? Depth and competition at all spots?

I will be surprised if Collinsworth is granted a 5th year. I will be surprised if Farley even plays next year unless he makes great strides in his areas of greatest need.

It is possible they are hedging on Barratti being fully healthy or against another significant injury.

But I do agree with Lax in that they have lost a full season of development. Hindsight is 20/20 but damn...