[Vpoll] Marijuana, Weed, Pot

[Jebediah Springfield]

And so it begins...

Colorado students accused of sickening class with pot-laced brownies - Yahoo! News

 

[DSully1995]

And so it begins...

Colorado students accused of sickening class with pot-laced brownies - Yahoo! News

What does that mean?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Coverage of people doing stupid things with marijuana in Colorado and Washington.

 

[DSully1995]

ok yea

 

[RDU Irish]

Right wing social engineering is no better than left wing social engineering.

 

[betecd]

Right wing social engineering is no better than left wing social engineering.

I don't think its a right or left issue on this one but I do think the drug companies that advertise on a news broadcast would appreciate this more than anybody

 

[GoIrish41]

Ok. So you all know how I stand on this subject. With the whole Michael Phelps thing this past week I wanted to know your thoughts.

Take this little fun fact to mind first:

ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS

TOBACCO ........................ 400,000
ALCOHOL ........................ 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ................ 20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS .............. 15,000
CAFFEINE ....................... 2,000
ASPIRIN ........................ 500
MARIJUANA ...................... 0
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Source: United States government...
National Institute on Drug Abuse,
Bureau of Mortality Statistics

what are the odds that all of these deaths came out in round numbers?

 

[Corry]

Pharmaceutical companies don't want weed legalized, they own the market on pain killing.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I don't think its a right or left issue on this one but I do think the drug companies that advertise on a news broadcast would appreciate this more than anybody

It certainly is part of the equation. The GOP's conservative faction is opposed to marijuana legalization; their ignorance strikes again.

 

[RDU Irish]

The right wing bible bangers brought us the fiasco AKA Prohibition. They are the primary reason no one even makes a legit run at this issue. Kind of like running on cutting ethanol subsidies in Iowa, yet somehow it is one of the few states in which you can get 0% ethanol fuel....

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

The right wing bible bangers brought us the fiasco AKA Prohibition. They are the primary reason no one even makes a legit run at this issue. Kind of like running on cutting ethanol subsidies in Iowa, yet somehow it is one of the few states in which you can get 0% ethanol fuel....

Have you seen the Ken Burns doc on Prohibition?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I knew there was a thread.

You have the stats on murder rates during prohibition and post?

No organized crime will not die it never will, but people who accumulate wealth usually try to find ways to go legitimate.

Lastly scumbag criminals who still sell drugs technically won't be criminals anymore. They will just be scumbags that you don't like.

Oh and I think we did have a thread I will search for it.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't do it, but fail to see the logic of keeping it illegal. To much cost, lost tax revenue, and crime associated with keeping it illegal. And compared to alcohol... enough said. I have however seen it derail a few promising careers, sports and others, but hell alcohol and other drugs do that with much more frequency.

 

[Bobias]

I don't do it, but fail to see the logic of keeping it illegal. To much cost, lost tax revenue, and crime associated with keeping it illegal. And compared to alcohol... enough said. I have however seen it derail a few promising careers, sports and others, but hell alcohol and other drugs do that with much more frequency.

It only derailed their careers because they were caught using or possessing it, and the law has an oh so special way of f¿cking people over who get caught. Take Tyrann Mathieu for example, not necissarily a bad guy, but he just loves himself some mj in a state with draconian drug laws. And unfortunately he can't keep himself from getting caught. I actually think he would do great in Denver or Seattle cause it would eliminate that particular character issue and he wouldn't be getting caught up in the law. Not to mention that plenty of guys in the league smoke and they seem to be doing fairly well as far as careers go. Again its not necissarily pot that derailed the career, rather, it was the system that really did them in.

 

[irishpat183]

I knew there was a thread.

You have the stats on murder rates during prohibition and post?

No organized crime will not die it never will, but people who accumulate wealth usually try to find ways to go legitimate.

Lastly scumbag criminals who still sell drugs technically won't be criminals anymore. They will just be scumbags that you don't like.

Oh and I think we did have a thread I will search for it.

Assuming they will just "stop selling drugs" is asinine. They'll stop selling POT. I'd say they're more likely to jus tsell other drugs that are still illegal.

When a business shuts down, the workers don't just stop working in that field...they just find another way to make money doing the same thing somewhere else (at another business similar to their own)

 

[irishpat183]

It only derailed their careers because they were caught using or possessing it, and the law has an oh so special way of f¿cking people over who get caught. Take Tyrann Mathieu for example, not necissarily a bad guy, but he just loves himself some mj in a state with draconian drug laws. And unfortunately he can't keep himself from getting caught. I actually think he would do great in Denver or Seattle cause it would eliminate that particular character issue and he wouldn't be getting caught up in the law. Not to mention that plenty of guys in the league smoke and they seem to be doing fairly well as far as careers go. Again its not necissarily pot that derailed the career, rather, it was the system that really did them in.

Horrible example using pro athletes. The problem with those guys, is disipline. It's against league rules and agasint the law.

The fact that they still do it, knowing it can cost them millions, is stupidity that I can't even begin to understand.

THAT is what makes Honey Badger a bad guy and a complete idiot.


And I haven't even gone into the kinds of people that drugs ususally bring around....

 

[GowerND11]

Horrible example using pro athletes. The problem with those guys, is disipline. It's against league rules and agasint the law.

The fact that they still do it, knowing it can cost them millions, is stupidity that I can't even begin to understand.

THAT is what makes Honey Badger a bad guy and a complete idiot.


And I haven't even gone into the kinds of people that drugs ususally bring around....

I really agree with the bolded part. People can't just say screw the rules I'm going to do what I want without consequence. If a boss says you must wear certain attire, you can't just say F that and wear whatever you want. Instead be proactive. Fight for the rules to be changed, don't just blatantly ignore them and then get mad at the authorities that be when you get reprimanded.

 

[greyhammer90]

And I haven't even gone into the kinds of people that drugs ususally bring around....

Weed only brings around those "kinds of people" because it is illegal. People who want it have to deal with criminals to get it. You legalize it, that goes away. Unless you're saying alcohol, tobacco, and Excedrin also bring around those "kinds of people"

 

[mgriff]

Weed only brings around those "kinds of people" because it is illegal. People who want it have to deal with criminals to get it. You legalize it, that goes away. Unless you're saying alcohol, tobacco, and Excedrin also bring around those "kinds of people"

Absolutely correct. It's a Schedule I drug! Can you believe that? Marijuana, as classified by the DEA, and in turn, our government, is worse that cocaine and ecstasy and just as bad as heroin and meth! You also can't study a drug that's Schedule I so the idea that there could be masses of peer-reviewed research would be great, except you can't test schedule I drugs. It's a ****ing circle-jerk because MJ makes the DEAs budget go around. Too much money lost to some on the gravy train if MJ is even simply categorized correctly.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Absolutely correct. It's a Schedule I drug! Can you believe that? Marijuana, as classified by the DEA, and in turn, our government, is worse that cocaine and ecstasy and just as bad as heroin and meth! You also can't study a drug that's Schedule I so the idea that there could be masses of peer-reviewed research would be great, except you can't test schedule I drugs. It's a ****ing circle-jerk because MJ makes the DEAs budget go around. Too much money lost to some on the gravy train if MJ is even simply categorized correctly.

Which would be "less harmful than alcohol, tobacco, and probably even caffeine."

 

[irishpat183]

Weed only brings around those "kinds of people" because it is illegal. People who want it have to deal with criminals to get it. You legalize it, that goes away. Unless you're saying alcohol, tobacco, and Excedrin also bring around those "kinds of people"

I get it...but again, as of right now? You have to deal with shady people that are probably not good people to be around.

Therefore, I have no sympathy for the Honey badgers of the world. They're complete morons for throwing away god-given talent because they like to smoke weed.


Seriously.


And all this "if weed becomes legal people will......" is all speculation. We assume people won't act like idiots. We assume that dealers will stop dealing. We assume that crime will go down.

Let's slow down and see how it works out before we claim anything. Human behavior is not something that can be predicted.

(for the record, I'm not against legalizing pot...but I'm against the BS reasons (like medical uses) for doing it. It shoudl be legal because it's not that bad)

 

[Buster Bluth]

I get it...but again, as of right now? You have to deal with shady people that are probably not good people to be around.

Let's slow down and see how it works out before we claim anything. Human behavior is not something that can be predicted.

The vast majority of people who sell weed are not at all "bad people" here at OSU.

I can agree with DARE in saying its a gateway drug, because you get drugs from drug dealers!!! I've been offered cocaine and shrooms, but I'm not trying to ruin my life haha marijuana is harmless.

I was high one time and a buddy had some shrooms and I was curious what they did and asked. He said "you see that clock? If we were on shrooms, itd look like that clock was melting off the wall." NO THANK YOU!!! I grew up with every DARE officer insinuating that weed make you high as a kite and seeing magical unicorns and whatnot. False false false. You're not tripping, you just feel great.

I'm not sure what you mean by the swcond paragraph.

 

[irishpat183]

The vast majority of people who sell weed are not at all "bad people" here at OSU.

I can agree with DARE in saying its a gateway drug, because you get drugs from drug dealers!!! I've been offered cocaine and shrooms, but I'm not trying to ruin my life haha marijuana is harmless.

I was high one time and a buddy had some shrooms and I was curious what they did and asked. He said "you see that clock? If we were on shrooms, itd look like that clock was melting off the wall." NO THANK YOU!!! I grew up with every DARE officer insinuating that weed make you high as a kite and seeing magical unicorns and whatnot. False false false. You're not tripping, you just feel great.

I'm not sure what you mean by the swcond paragraph.

And I fully agree with weed not being as bad as some people make it out to be, which is why I'm not agasint legalizing it.

My second paragraph was just my take on the whole "we need to legalize it because it will help with _________".

I think that's a buncha horses*it. Just legalize it because it's not all that bad. It's sure as hell not good for you. Anything that goes into your lungs that isn't air, is bad for you. But it's not as damaging as alcohol or tobacco.

As far as people making the claims that it will lower crime rates and save the budget...that's horsesh*t as well. How the hell can we possibly know that? And what's to say that the current dealers won't just start selling other drugs, making them more dangerous??? (like a drug dealer is just gonna get straight and find an 8-5 job because weed is legal?)

 

[Buster Bluth]

As far as people making the claims that it will lower crime rates and save the budget...that's horsesh*t as well. How the hell can we possibly know that? And what's to say that the current dealers won't just start selling other drugs, making them more dangerous??? (like a drug dealer is just gonna get straight and find an 8-5 job because weed is legal?)

Only 1.4% of marijuana users use cocaine regularly. <1% of marijuana users do other harder drugs.

You should watch The Wire is you haven't It really explains the real violence and crime in relation to drugs.

 

[irishpat183]

Only 1.4% of marijuana users use cocaine regularly. <1% of marijuana users do other harder drugs.

You should watch The Wire is you haven't It really explains the real violence and crime in relation to drugs.

I find those stats very hard to believe for some reason.

And what is "using cocaine regularly"?



I do need to watch the wire.....

 

[Downinthebend]

And I fully agree with weed not being as bad as some people make it out to be, which is why I'm not agasint legalizing it.

My second paragraph was just my take on the whole "we need to legalize it because it will help with _________".

I think that's a buncha horses*it. Just legalize it because it's not all that bad. It's sure as hell not good for you. Anything that goes into your lungs that isn't air, is bad for you. But it's not as damaging as alcohol or tobacco.

As far as people making the claims that it will lower crime rates and save the budget...that's horsesh*t as well. How the hell can we possibly know that? And what's to say that the current dealers won't just start selling other drugs, making them more dangerous??? (like a drug dealer is just gonna get straight and find an 8-5 job because weed is legal?)

I agree completely that pragmatic reasons shouldn't be used in deciding to legalize it or not. To me the whole issue is licensing violence against people doing actions that some portion of the population don't like. Their choosing to smoke/drink/etc doesn't affect you unless you choose to have it affect you. That is my reasoning for legalization of (insert name of drug or prostitution or gambling or ETC). Violence shouldn't be used against people that only affect themselves or consenting adults.

Beyond that, the state isn't supposed to be your "Pater familias", It shouldn't legislate one's lifestyles, morality, religion, or anything beyond restricting you from using violence and fraud against other people.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I find those stats very hard to believe for some reason.

It's in that documentary I posted in the other thread. Documentaries are never wrong.

And what is "using cocaine regularly"?

I supposed it's to differentiate between "have used cocaine." Hell, most of America's 1% has done cocaine. You can't graduate from an Ivy League school without seeing it. If you go to Miami University in Ohio, you will do cocaine. I'm exaggerating of course, but cocaine is super prevalent around wealthy circles.

I can believe the 1.4%, if it means "used in the last 30 days" or whatever. There are millions upon millions of marijuana users. Cocaine isn't that big of a number.

I do need to watch the wire.....

Yes, you do. haha

I've shown to probably 15 people (literally, I hand them a flashdrive that I pirated), and 90% say it's the best thing they've ever seen. There are classes on it at Harvard, Yale, Oxford, etc because it is so damn accurate.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'll believe the 1.4% number.
I honestly would have guessed under 1%.
I know tons of people that toke up that would never touch coke.

The effects of the two are completely unrelated so different types of people would be using those two drugs separately. No where near the same category of drugs.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

And I fully agree with weed not being as bad as some people make it out to be, which is why I'm not agasint legalizing it.

My second paragraph was just my take on the whole "we need to legalize it because it will help with _________".

I think that's a buncha horses*it. Just legalize it because it's not all that bad. It's sure as hell not good for you. Anything that goes into your lungs that isn't air, is bad for you. But it's not as damaging as alcohol or tobacco.

As far as people making the claims that it will lower crime rates and save the budget...that's horsesh*t as well. How the hell can we possibly know that? And what's to say that the current dealers won't just start selling other drugs, making them more dangerous??? (like a drug dealer is just gonna get straight and find an 8-5 job because weed is legal?)

This isn't the 1960's, smoking isn't the only way to consume it...

You can write this down and take it to the bank... WHEN MARIJUANA IS ALLOWED TO BE RESEARCHED THEY WILL FIND CERTAIN COMPOUNDS THAT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE.

Lastly this is the second time I've heard "drug dealer won't get a new job"... uh hello if you sell drugs for a living and it's legalized, then you just become a person who legally sells drugs for a living, you are no longer a criminal... Organized crime is a whole separate realm.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This isn't the 1960's, smoking isn't the only way to consume it...

I'll buy a vap in the future. If my job doesn't test. At that point it's pretty much perfectly healthy.

You can write this down and take it to the bank... WHEN MARIJUANA IS ALLOWED TO BE RESEARCHED THEY WILL FIND CERTAIN COMPOUNDS THAT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE.

I know my depression is almost nonexistent for a week or so after I smoke. **** is therapeutic, yo. hahah