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I know it was mainly a joke. I do a fair amount of business in Iowa. But when i am there i think of what they have as far as entertainment and they are way below par. No pro sports teams, below average college teams in nearly every sport, no nascar thing(even though i don't watch it). I know lots of states dont have these things either but most of them have something neat to draw people there.

I agree about the pro sports thing. We've got a good college football program and the best wrestling school in the country, though. And we do have a NASCAR "thing" by the way. Lol
 

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How is New York on this list?

As far as Chicago goes sure we have some issues with gun violence. Our unemployment is about 9 percent. Not great but unemployment is always higher in city. Compared other cities our economy is doing just fine.

Chicago has alright great things to offer. We have get our homicide problem in certain areas under control like New York has done. I think we are making progress on that with some changes in the way our police operate. Bottom line I don't think we should be on that list.
Although Chicago is not for me i would have to agree. There is a lot of great things about the nations 3rd largest city.
 

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Iowa has a lot going for it, actually. Wonderful state.

Actually this is true. Iowa City I believe a few years back had the lowest unemployment rate of any US city not sure if they still do.

Iowa has done a lot in terms of curbing climate change. A decent percentage of the state is wind powered and it is growing.
 
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Actually this is true. Iowa City I believe a few years back had the lowest unemployment rate of any US city not sure if they still do.

Iowa has done a lot for climate change. A decent percentage of the state is wind powered and it is growing.
my next point the wind is terrible there lol
 
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Bogtrotter07

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City & Regional Planning. Current a Planning Commissioner rewriting zoning in a Toledo suburb and mapping food deserts for the Columbus Public Health Department.

AND, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! Buster is the only one qualified to comment on this thread, some of the other bullshiit political propaganda, both of the article's authors and posted in this thread are a intelligence vacuum. I mean it. I am afraid that if I read too much stupid shiit like this it will make me even dumber than I am. Like negative numbers are not out of the question!
 

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AND, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! Buster is the only one qualified to comment on this thread, some of the other bullshiit political propaganda, both of the article's authors and posted in this thread are a intelligence vacuum. I mean it. I am afraid that if I read too much stupid shiit like this it will make me even dumber than I am. Like negative numbers are not out of the question!

Soooo if we follow this logic, the only people on this site qualified to talk about ND football are current D1 college coaches and players.

And the only people qualified to talk about the Constitution are Constitutional lawyers.

And the only people qualified to talk about the economy are those who have a PhD in Economics.

And the only people qualified to talk about education are current teachers or administrators.
 

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Couldn"t believe Cleveland (my home town) missed the top twenty...then i read the list...#17. Things are looking up!
 

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AND, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! Buster is the only one qualified to comment on this thread, some of the other bullshiit political propaganda, both of the article's authors and posted in this thread are a intelligence vacuum. I mean it. I am afraid that if I read too much stupid shiit like this it will make me even dumber than I am. Like negative numbers are not out of the question!

For what it's worth I completed a masters degree in landscape architecture. Most of the curriculum focused on land planning, land use and urban design albeit from an ecological perspective. I would even go out on a limb and say I have more professional experience than Buster as it relates to planning and land use.

The point being you all need to now bow down and rep me for every post I make in this damn thread! Lol.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Soooo if we follow this logic, the only people on this site qualified to talk about ND football are current D1 college coaches and players.

And the only people qualified to talk about the Constitution are Constitutional lawyers.

And the only people qualified to talk about the economy are those who have a PhD in Economics.

And the only people qualified to talk about education are current teachers or administrators.

Don't get that from my statement; no my statement was in responce to some particularly douchey comments in the article and the thread.

For what it's worth I completed a masters degree in landscape architecture. Most of the ciriculum focused on land planning, land use and urban design albeit from an ecological perspective. I would even go out on a limb and say I have more professional experience than Buster as it relates to planning and land use.

The point being you all need to now bow down and rep me for every post I make in this damn thread! Lol.

You can post as a qualified expert too, brother, but maybe I should get you some ice, for the swelling of your head, first! Lol!
 
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Come on land dudes...edumacate me on land! How can 'Merica improve?
 

Bluto

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Don't get that from my statement; no my statement was in responce to some particularly douchey comments in the article and the thread.



You can post as a qualified expert to, brother, but maybe I should get you some ice, for the swelling of your head, first! Lol!

Ice would be nice but beer would be better. Haha.
 

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Come on land dudes...edumacate me on land! How can 'Merica improve?

People in the planning professions are very big on presenting the public with options. So here's my list of options based on my overwhelming depth of knowledge of landing, land and lands.

Option A: Try not to over-rotate. That screws up ones ability to land.

Option B: Give me like a billion dollars to plant a buncha trees.

Option C: Drop a hydrogen bomb on Riverside County, CA and start from scratch.

Option D: Kick your dog.

Option E: have the state of Texas pay me like 10 million dollars to design the worlds biggest bucket. Given climate change and the droughts that are predicted to result they are going to need a big *** bucket like the one I envision in my minds eye.

In all seriousness Buster is spot on with his critiques of the interstate highway system and his analysis of transportation systems in general in this country.

Go Irish!
 
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I don't think that these cities/ towns are on the downslide, filing up for bankruptcy (Stockton, CA) or are $14 billion in the hole (Detroit) because of one issue like urban planning or development. I would definitely agree that that's part of the problem, but this is a much bigger issue, I believe, than just that.
 
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Come on land dudes...edumacate me on land! How can 'Merica improve?

A lot of planners are big on growth boundaries. I am probably not as enthusiastic about that, mostly because I don't think it's politically viable. I am enthusiastic about regional governments.

I would start by transferring the real cost of interstates to the localities who want them. Seriously, interstates are the worst for this country. People need to realize four things:

1) Interstates do not really create a ton of wealth, they are simply moving it. Businessman X owns a mall that is 11 years old, businessman Y wants to build a mall further down the road and promises that "1.2 billion dollars of investment will be generated, along with 350 new jobs for the area!" This is bullshit. Because the other mall will fall apart and create a blackhole of property values, hurting everyone but businessman Y and his crew.

2) Modern commercial construction isn't built to last. A strip mall and big box stores have a life expectancy of fifteen years, and that's part of the plan from the start. It's the retail equivalent of Brazilian "slash and burn" farming: a) put up a stucco strip mall, b) gross as much as possible in the short lifespan, c) build another one further down the road when its time. It isn't meant to be economically sustainable for the community. A mall will fail in thirty years on average, that's the nature of the beast that we let happen.

3) It isn't so much the failing economies that cripples cities, it's sprawl. Imagine a city of 1,000,000 people in 1950. Instantly, Eisenhower pays for 90% of expressways and 50,000 move out to just over the city boundary line. The city then has 950,000 people, and must raise taxes by a tiny amount to cover all of the public services it is responsible for (schools, cops, firemen, roads, bridges, etc). This increases the incentive to leave. Now 75,000 people leave. Now the city must increase taxes a bit to cover costs, but there's only 875,000. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Before you know it, the cust to the police department have allowed spike in crime and the public schools are a disaster and your city is now 350,000 of the people who couldn't afford to move in the first place. This is the case of Cleveland, Detroit, etc. There is SO MUCH wealth in the surrounding areas, but none of its in the city and we are led to believe that the economies simply collapsed when that isn't the entire equation. So who is to blame? The rich guy who left and took his wherewithal for investment with him, or the poor person who couldn't keep up the house and let it fall into disrepair? It's probably both.

4) If you don't fix the dilapidation of the city core, the entire region is pulled down. For reasons mentioned in #3. It is an endless spiral of demise unless you fix the downtown and its first-ring neighborhoods. Detroit never could, and is basically dead. Places like Columbus, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh did, and are doing very well. Cincinnati and Cleveland are on the right path I believe.
 
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I don't think that these cities/ towns are on the downslide, filing up for bankruptcy (Stockton, CA) or are $14 billion in the hole (Detroit) because of one issue like urban planning or development. I would definitely agree that that's part of the problem, but this is a much bigger issue, I believe, than just that.

For Detroit, definitely. They never had a diverse economy. They were all-in with cars. Any time you're producing a product that people can hold off on in tight financial times, you're more susceptible to highs and lows, economically speaking.

The issue isn't "urban planning or development," it's a city's tax revenue. A city's tax revenue is based on whatever the laws are. Property taxes and income taxes in some states, sales tax in others. But it is all ultimately development in one way or another. When the rich moved, cities had to raise taxes or cut policemen in their budget. If they raised taxes, it was more likely to be business-unfriendly; if they cut policemen, the crime goes up and more people leave and you're suddenly back to the beginning of the problem again. It is a stunningly simply spiral of hard choices and decay.
 

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If anyone thinks Chicago is a scary and dangerous place, never visit a large city anywhere else in the world. You will have p-ss running down your leg in 5 minutes.
 

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I know it was mainly a joke. I do a fair amount of business in Iowa. But when i am there i think of what they have as far as entertainment and they are way below par. No pro sports teams, below average college teams in nearly every sport, no nascar thing(even though i don't watch it). I know lots of states dont have these things either but most of them have something neat to draw people there.

Iowa Cubs players get paid. Plus, Newton hosts Nationwide races every year. What you don't like the Amana Colonies?
 
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