Opinions/Discussions on Guns

[brandonnash]

What happens if I'm wearing soft armor?

The last two in my shotty (slugs) can take care of soft armor if the 00 buck doesn't. I have seen them penetrate soft armor.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Ask i hope with magazines is if they get something through they use the word clip instead of magazine. Then they would have some serious lawsuits. The law would then ban stripper clips instead of magazines.

I do find it interesting the language politicians use to push gun laws aren't the same as what they write in them.

Ha! So true! All the people buying up Moisin Nagants and M1 Garands would be hosed!

 

[NDohio]

I actually do kind of like the idea of managing the guns they way we do cars. My proposal to do so would be as follows.

To use a gun one has to be licensed by the state to a own gun. One must always renew their license every year and pay the annual fee just like a driver's license. It is a major felony to sell a gun or aminution unless one presents their gun license at the time of sale. Guns could still be sold at gun shows as long as the buyer presents his or her state firearm license.

To get a license for a particular gun one must demonstrate proficency in using that particular gun via a state licensing exam ran by law enforcement officals. One must also go through a criminal background check to get a gun. Background check rules: 1 - No guns for convicted felons. 2 - No guns for those that are documented to have certain mental illnesses. 3- Crimes less than felonies do not prevent one from owning a gun but may lead to an increase in gun insurance rates (see below).

To keep their gun one must purchase liability insurance for the gun. The insurance would cover the following:
1 - Life insurance type benefits to any gun victim families killed by the gun.
2 - Medical expenses for anyone injured by the gun.
3 - Protects owner from any potential liability if the gun is stolen and used in a crime. With the requirement that the theft is reported to authorities within 48 hours.

Insurance rates would also be different for different types of firearms. So a potentially more dangerous firearm would require a higher insurance rate.

I think regulating guns like cars would solve a ton of issues. The insurance companies will want a lengthy background check before they consider one insurable. Secondly gun families of gun victims would actually be compensated when they die. Third by passing a firearm licensing exam one has to show they really know how to use the gun. Under this proposal you can own an assault weapon but you have to pass a different state exam for those types of weapons. In my proposal I do still want a magazine limit of 10 bullets and no armor piercing bullets. Also your insurace will be higer if you do own an assault type weapon. Not to mention this would be more revenue for the states because the license fees. The revenue from gun licensing fees can be used to help pay for having an armed police officer (and not armed teachers) on duty at public schools.

Which of your proposed laws wetre broken in the Newtown incident?

 

[phgreek]

What happens if I'm wearing soft armor?

not sure if serious...

...10 Ga slug at 20'...you may not have a hole in ya...but you also aren't in a position to shoot me either. If you wore a small truck I might worry.

 

[phgreek]

The last two in my shotty (slugs) can take care of soft armor if the 00 buck doesn't. I have seen them penetrate soft armor.

I start with slug, then 00, 00, 00...thats cool...

 

[JadeBrecks]

not sure if serious...

...10 Ga slug at 20'...you may not have a hole in ya...but you also aren't in a position to shoot me either. If you wore a small truck I might worry.

I was just messing. 10 gauge if it didn't kill you you wished it would. That sucker kick like a mule?

 

[Downinthebend]

Go do your homework.

What is your opinion of my (previous) post on that.

Declaring a more-or-less ceremonial "official" religion is much different than enforcing said religion onto others. The early history of our country had a large amount of religious strife and abuse. I don't understand how freedom of conscious is not an unalienable similar to one's life. Unless of course you (generalized you, not you specifically) believe the government was founded in order to force men to live morally, and are able take away one's life, liberty, property and pursue of happiness to achieve that goal.

Enforcing religion onto others in states just smacks of "tyranny of the majority" which is a major issue that the founders fought.

 

[chicago51]

Yes there was a ton of problems with religion and Massachusetts at the time of the founding fathers. Ben Franklin was so terrified he moved to PA. Founders were very concerned of religious tyranny.

 

[phgreek]

I was just messing. 10 gauge if it didn't kill you you wished it would. That sucker kick like a mule?

Yea...when you shoot a few in a row...seems to beat you up a little....but I have a 10 so I only need to let 'er bark once

I shoot a 10 when I hunt Geese...don't really feel it...but that one has a long barrel, semi-auto, and I'm shooting steel shot...If I had it to do over, I'd buy a second one like my Goose gun and cut the barrel back for home protection...

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Here's Danny Glover telling TA&M students that the 2nd Amendment was created to protect slave owners from a revolt.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...amendment_was_created_to_protect_slavery.html

 

[JadeBrecks]

Here's Danny Glover telling TA&M students that the 2nd Amendment was created to protect slave owners from a revolt.

Actor Danny Glover: Second Amendment Was Created To Protect Slavery | RealClearPolitics

Seriously?!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Don't see the big deal about Obama having kids at the bill signing. Not like other presidents haven't done the same thing.

Also love how some people said that Obama was using executive order priviledge was an abuse of power. When Obama has in fact used the fewest executive orders since Grover Cleveland.

Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

As I mentioned in previous post both presidents Reagan and George W Busch both supported an assault weapons ban but when Obama proposes something some people are automatically have to be against it because Obama was the one who proposed it. Almost as if folks look to who is talking and not what is being said.

Let's rewind a little bit. I disagree with NCLB because I think it's a federal over-reach in education.

However, when Bush signed that law it had ALREADY gone through the House and Senate to Bush's desk. The "selling" of that law was done in both parties.

What our current president did is use children in a way to soften people up to his EXECUTIVE ORDERS that he passed without sending the legislation through House and Senate.

Get the difference?

 

[BobD]

Oops! 5 People accidentally shot at 3 different gun shows. Happy National Firearms Appreciation Day!

5 accidentally shot at gun shows in North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana
By Vignesh Ramachandran, Staff Writer, NBC News
Five people were wounded in accidents at gun shows in North Carolina, Ohio and Indiana on Saturday, according to authorities.


In Raleigh, N.C., authorities said three people were wounded when a loaded shotgun accidentally discharged at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show at the N.C. State Fairgrounds.
Officials say Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, was having his shotgun checked before entering the show when the incident happened. He was unzipping his 12-gauge shotgun's case when it accidentally fired birdshot pellets, hitting three people, The News & Observer in Raleigh reported. Wilson was planning on privately selling the gun at the show, according to NBC affiliate WNCN.
The three victims, Janet Hoover, Linwood Hester and Jake Alderman, were hit, respectively, in the right torso, left hand and right hand, WNCN reported. They were taken to the hospital for non-life threatening injuries.
Witness Daniel Peadan told WNCN he was about to enter the building, when he heard a loud pop: "The people right there at the door, a lot of them ran ... They scattered because it was chaotic."
"This was an accidental discharge," said Brian Long, a spokesman for the North Carolina Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services, in a statement.
The show closed early Saturday because of the shooting, according to The News & Observer. When the show reopens Sunday private gun sales will not be permitted, but only sales by licensed dealers at the show are allowed, Long said. By Saturday evening, the event's website clearly stipulated: "No personal firearms are to be brought into the show."
The Wake County Sheriff's Department is investigating Saturday's incident, and it's not clear yet whether there are pending charges, according to Long.
In Medina, Ohio, an exhibitor at a local gun show was opening a box containing a gun when the weapon went off, striking his partner, who was sitting next to him, NBC station WKYC of Cleveland reported.
The victim suffered non-life threatening injuries in the arm and thigh and was taken to a hospital.
Police told WKYC the shooting was accidental, and a man who attended the show had sold that gun to the exhibitor.
In Indianapolis, state police said a 54-year-old man was loading his .45 caliber semi-automatic gun when he shot himself in the hand, The Associated Press reported. The victim, Emory L. Cozee, had been leaving the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show at the state fairgrounds, officials told the AP. Loaded personal weapons are not permitted inside this show, according to the AP.
Cozee was hospitalized. Police told the AP no charges will be filed and the shooting was accidental.
These incidents all happened on the first "National Gun Appreciation Day," which was organized by Political Media, a Republican consulting firm.
In Raleigh, police say around 200 gun-rights supporters marched around the legislative building in downtown Raleigh on Saturday, The News & Observer reported.
Across the country Saturday, there were similar rallies by gun-rights advocates. In Brooksville, Fla., about 1,000 people gathered holding signs like "Stop the Gun Grabbers," Reuters reported. In Denver, just miles away from the scene of the July 2012 movie theater massacre, about 500 people were outside the state capitol rallying, according to Reuters.
The attack on an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 first-graders and six staffers dead in December has sparked a new debate over gun control. Last week, President Barack Obama proposed new gun controls to reduce violence.
Firearms expert Greg A. Danas told NBC News while it's up to a gun show owner to determine safety rules, he recommends measures like inspecting guns and ensuring firing pins are disabled.
"Even people with the best intentions, screw up, occasionally make mistakes," Danas said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Once again another problem in your "Gun Free Zones" /\ /\ /\

Also take a look a few pages into any NRA magazine. You will see 10 stories per magazine of law abiding citizen protecting and saving lives with guns.

 

[BobD]

Once again another problem in your "Gun Free Zones" /\ /\ /\

???

 

[JadeBrecks]

???

you are not allowed to carry a loaded firearm in a gun show. Once again you rules aren't saving anybody. The rules didn't prevent an idiot from doing something stupid.

Read these
NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen

 

[irishpat183]

Once again another problem in your "Gun Free Zones" /\ /\ /\

Also take a look a few pages into any NRA magazine. You will see 10 stories per magazine of law abiding citizen protecting and saving lives with guns.

They won't believe you. All guns do is kill and you're an a$$hole for owning one (according to that NY paper)

Accidents happen. You cannot prevent them all. I dont understand how people that are anti-gun, don't get that this isn't a perfect world and you can't just write law and get rid of problem. It's as if this will actually solve anything.

Have they driven during rush hour? Yet they tolerate cars?

 

[BobD]

you are not allowed to carry a loaded firearm in a gun show. Once again you rules aren't saving anybody. The rules didn't prevent an idiot from doing something stupid.

Read these
NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen

That makes no sense. If those idiots didn't have guns, nobody would have got shot. Some people need to be saved from themselves.

 

[JadeBrecks]

In Raleigh, N.C., authorities said three people were wounded when a loaded shotgun accidentally discharged at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show at the N.C. State Fairgrounds.
Officials say Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, was having his shotgun checked before entering the show when the incident happened. He was unzipping his 12-gauge shotgun's case when it accidentally fired birdshot pellets, hitting three people, The News & Observer in Raleigh reported. Wilson was planning on privately selling the gun at the show, according to NBC affiliate WNCN.
The three victims, Janet Hoover, Linwood Hester and Jake Alderman, were hit, respectively, in the right torso, left hand and right hand, WNCN reported. They were taken to the hospital for non-life threatening injuries.

I am referring to this story. You are not allowed to carry a loaded firearm into a gun show (most places not even on the grounds outside the show). There are already laws or rules to prevent these things. No matter how many laws or rules idiots can't be protected from themselves. Just like disarmed people can't protect themselves from and armed shooter. You can try all you want to remove any danger from this world but it won't happen. You don't think these idiots could hurt someone with a knife or a car?

 

[Downinthebend]

That makes no sense. If those idiots didn't have guns, nobody would have got shot. Some people need to be saved from themselves.

Is it the governments role to save people from themselves?

 

[ACamp1900]

My opinion on this is simple enough i guess. If God forbid **** ever happens and I am forced to protect my family against people who don't care about gun laws one way or the other I want to have more than a pocket knife to do so... In fact the more fire power the better in that case... Laws or no laws, evil people will always find access to guns, just like anything else.

I understand where others come from, but after being on the fence on this for years the above is pretty much where I fall.

 

[JadeBrecks]

My opinion on this is simple enough i guess. If God forbid **** ever happens and I am forced to protect my family against people who don't care about gun laws one way or the other I want to have more than a pocket knife to do so... In fact the more fire power the better in that case... Laws or no laws, evil people will always find access to guns, just like anything else.

I understand where others come from, but after being on the fence on this for years the above is pretty much where I fall.

If people would just understand this there would be no gun debates.

 

[chicago51]

That makes no sense. If those idiots didn't have guns, nobody would have got shot. Some people need to be saved from themselves.

These are law aibing citizens that go to these gun shows and still people get shot. Bob I'd rep you if you could some good posts.

 

[BobD]

I'm pretty certain you guys can relax about ever losing your guns. The popularity of fear and violence seems to have great momentum and a lot of willing supporters.

 

[DSully1995]

If people would just understand this there would be no gun debates.

If you wouldnt make it so black and white for yourselves as well, there would be room for debate.

A question: Is there a problem in america with Gun violence? (Im geting the feeling that you see whats going on as inevitable)

 

[JadeBrecks]

If you wouldnt make it so black and white for yourselves as well, there would be room for debate.

A question: Is there a problem in america with Gun violence? (Im geting the feeling that you see whats going on as inevitable)

It will happen but what i believe will help stop/slow it down is opposite what others believe.

 

[BobD]

Another sad ending.

CNN) -- Sheriff's investigators combed through what one called a "horrific" crime scene Sunday after the shooting deaths of five people, three of them children, at a home outside Albuquerque, New Mexico.
A well-known local pastor and four of his relatives were among the victims, according to those who knew him.
Each victim was shot multiple times, said Lt. Sid Covington of the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department, and one of the weapons used was what he described as an assault rifle. Sheriff Dan Houston said a 15-year-old boy, who "may be a family member," was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death.
"Initially responding deputies entered the home and found the five deceased inside the residence, so obviously it was a very gruesome scene," Covington told reporters. There was no indication of a motive so far, he said.
"It's a large crime scene with a lot of physical evidence, and because there's an offender in custody, we're doing our best to be thorough and complete in gathering any potential evidence, and so we're going slowly, methodically, through the entire residence," Covington told CNN.
Investigators said the dead included a man, a woman and three grade-school-age children -- two girls and a boy.
They did not release the names of the victims, saying the process of formally identifying the remains was still going on, but they said the home belongs to Greg and Sarah Griego. Greg Griego was the chaplain for the Albuquerque Fire Department and involved in several prison ministries.
"Chaplain Griego was a dedicated professional that passionately served his fellow man and the firefighters of this community," read a statement from Fire Chief James Breen. "His calming spirit and gentle nature will be greatly missed. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Greg's extended family."
Griego was also a former pastor at Calvary Church, where the family still attended services, church member Brian Nixon told CNN affiliate KOAT.
Griego's brother, former state Sen. Eric Griego, issued a statement saying, "Our family is grieving this terrible tragedy. We appreciate the prayers and support we have received and request that the media honor our family's privacy during this difficult time."
The family lived in a large home at the end of a street on the southwestern edge of Albuquerque. Neighbor Terry Wootan described it as a semi-rural area with farms and residences.
"It's a very quiet, decent neighborhood," Wootan told CNN. "Across America we hear it: 'Something like this could never happen in my neighborhood.' But I woke up at 5:30 this morning to floodlights and crime investigation vehicles, and it's just not something you think you're going to wake up to."
The sheriff said deputies were dispatched to the home around 9:15 p.m. Saturday. They were summoned by "a party that was called by the suspect," he said, but "I don't know what the dynamics of that relationship is."
He said investigators are unaware of any criminal history with the teen and were looking into whether any family members had a record. The boy is being charged as a juvenile, but prosecutors could charge him as an adult, Covington said.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Just out of curiosity BobD did you read any of my link?
armed citizen

 

[BGIF]

That makes no sense. If those idiots didn't have guns, nobody would have got shot. Some people need to be saved from themselves.

True.

BTW, how many people injured themselves in vehicular accidents today?

Speeding, running red lights, reckless/careless driving, are all against the law everywhere. Yet thousands are injured or die daily through idiotic actions. "If these idiots didn't have" cars ...

Some people do need to be saved from themselves.

When do we ban cars?

 

[BobD]

True.

BTW, how many people injured themselves in vehicular accidents today?

Speeding, running red lights, reckless/careless driving, are all against the law everywhere. Yet thousands are injured or die daily through idiotic actions. "If these idiots didn't have" cars ...

Some people do need to be saved from themselves.

When do we ban cars?

No disrespect meant, but that's a tired and completely irrelevant argument. I believe you know that.

A better comparison is cigarettes & guns.