Lennay Kekua, A Hoax!

[phork]

I think he should've done it on camera. Think this was a huge mistake. Words are much more powerful when you actually see them said and can see HOW they were said. Way too much room for interpretation when you just see a freaking transcript.

Exactly. Schaaps translation is going to be important.

 

[JughedJones]

I think he should've done it on camera. Think this was a huge mistake. Words are much more powerful when you actually see them said and can see HOW they were said. Way too much room for interpretation when you just see a freaking transcript.

I have to agree, just a transcript and him sitting there with a lawyer isn't exactly warm and fuzzy.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think he should've done it on camera. Think this was a huge mistake. Words are much more powerful when you actually see them said and can see HOW they were said. Way too much room for interpretation when you just see a freaking transcript.

Agree, but wouldn't that give him less control also. Unexpected questions and such.

 

[AgentJ]

I think he should've done it on camera. Think this was a huge mistake. Words are much more powerful when you actually see them said and can see HOW they were said. Way too much room for interpretation when you just see a freaking transcript.

Schaap will be interviewed many times over and will be asked about his body language and sincerity... I'm content.

It's not like Manti didn't have us all strung along with his embellished stories to begin with.

 

[PraetorianND]

Schaap will be interviewed many times over and will be asked about his body language and sincerity... I'm content.

It's not like Manti didn't have us all strung along with his embellished stories to begin with.

Italics?

 

[cyrano]

I think he should've done it on camera. Think this was a huge mistake. Words are much more powerful when you actually see them said and can see HOW they were said. Way too much room for interpretation when you just see a freaking transcript.

Without knowing what Manti and his lawyer knows it's impossible to say whether or not he should be doing this live. I trust he has hired good representation though.

 

[jimmymac]

Not being on camera is brilliant. It stops making it like a show or like tv drama but rather a seriously tragic event in the mans life.

 

[Kak7304]

I have to agree, just a transcript and him sitting there with a lawyer isn't exactly warm and fuzzy.

He has to protect himself. There is so much on the line for him and in all honesty, he doesn't really have any obligation to address the media. I'm also beginning to wonder if Te'o will take any legal action against Tuiasosopo.

 

[PraetorianND]

No italics needed

Part of the reason this is a big story is because Manti lied.

When did he lie?

 

[IrishLax]

Schaap will be interviewed many times over and will be asked about his body language and sincerity... I'm content.

It's not like Manti didn't have us all strung along with his embellished stories to begin with.

That's a good point... I just think it really leaves the ball in Schaap's court. What if he comes out and flatly says "I don't believe a word he said".... then there is nothing for the public to look at and draw our own conclusions.

Guess it just makes me nervous if it "reads bad" or Schaap otherwise is left unsatisfied. Guess we'll know shortly!

 

[PraetorianND]

Nah, it's true enough to be said. I'll admit I was caught up in it...

I know he was tricked and dupe, but do you really think Manti thought Lennay was the "love of his life," that they were on the phone for hours every night, etc?

I thought some of the stories were embellished before this came out, though I didn't really care. I figured they spent some nights on the phone, but not every as Manti described.

I feel bad for him, but he did lie and he is pretty naive.

I have no idea if this chick was the "love of his life" and there is no way for you to know either. These all seem to be your opinions. It is entirely possible that Manti didn't lie at all. I'm not saying that's the case, because I don't know either. Assuming he lied is one thing, but that doesn't make it fact.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Guess it just makes me nervous if it "reads bad" or Schaap otherwise is left unsatisfied. Guess we'll know shortly!

Condon clearly trusts Schaap. Do we know who represents him?

 

[AgentJ]

That's a good point... I just think it really leaves the ball in Schaap's court. What if he comes out and flatly says "I don't believe a word he said".... then there is nothing for the public to look at and draw our own conclusions.

Guess it just makes me nervous if it "reads bad" or Schaap otherwise is left unsatisfied. Guess we'll know shortly!

If he is telling the truth, and I believe he is, we won't have to worry. He needs to be transparent and honest. If he is, his body language will show it. Not like the pompous Lance Armstrong attitude, whom I'm pretty sure is still lying.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Is this normal for the ESPN PR guy to be tweeting pics of an interview like this that won't be taped, and point out who is present? Or was that a slippery move by ESPN to set the stage by saying Manti brought a lawyer?

 

[Kak7304]

Is this normal for the ESPN PR guy to be tweeting pics of an interview like this that won't be taped, and point out who is present? Or was that a slippery move by ESPN to set the stage by saying Manti brought a lawyer?

I just think they're hyping it up to get more viewers/readers. Money is and always will be ESPN's #1 agenda.

 

[Kak7304]

He said she attended Stanford which is clearly a lie.

The interview from SI shows a lot of holes in his story too.

Because that's the lie he was told. You've been incredibly anti-Manti this entire thread.

 

[PraetorianND]

Perceived lies days after the Dec 6th call. Claims of meetings and how they met at Stanford etc. There is abundance to choose from.

Did he actually say that he met her at Stanford? I read the SI transcript and it doesn't say that at all. It says he "met" her through her cousin. He never said in person and he never said at Stanford. It's possible he lied, but can you pin one down with evidence? I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying that there seem to be a lot of reports of lies but nothing conclusive.

 

[PraetorianND]

He said she attended Stanford which is clearly a lie.

The interview from SI shows a lot of holes in his story too.

She told him she attended Stanford......

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He said she attended Stanford which is clearly a lie.

It's only a lie if he knew it was false.

You should probably step away from this for a few days. Your posting on this issue has been persistently and irrationally negative.

 

[JughedJones]

He said she attended Stanford which is clearly a lie.

The interview from SI shows a lot of holes in his story too.

I'm not sure you're terribly bright.

It's one thing to not believe Manti, but this is patently ridiculous.

 

[PraetorianND]

So..

Did Manti say that?

 

[Jason Pham]

He said she attended Stanford which is clearly a lie.

The interview from SI shows a lot of holes in his story too.

It is possible, maybe even probable, that he wasn't truthful with several aspects of his story, but this is not a good example. Him saying that she attended Stanford is consistent with the inference that he made that part up; however, it is also consistent with a contradictory conclusion: that Ronaiah/Lennay said that she went to Stanford and he reiterated what he actually believed. Consistency should not be peddled as proof unless it also precludes contradicting narratives. In this case, he could have believed, based on what Ronaiah/Lennay told him, that she was at the game and that she was a Stanford student. I'm sure there are holes that cast doubt on how candid he was about this whole thing (e.g., that it was only telephonic/online), but this isn't one of them.

 

[PraetorianND]

Manti clearly embellished this story. I feel terribly for him, but he is not entirely without blame in this. At the least, he embellished the story and actively advanced the narrative because he enjoyed the attention. I love Manti and have been defending him to anyone I can find who will listen (because nobody other than ND fans seem to be even entertaining the idea that he didn't mastermind this, unfortunately), but ND fans should be careful not to go the complete other way and completely excuse away his behavior.

Speculative.

 

[tadman95]

Manti clearly embellished this story. I feel terribly for him, but he is not entirely without blame in this. At the least, he embellished the story and actively advanced the narrative because he enjoyed the attention. I love Manti and have been defending him to anyone I can find who will listen (because nobody other than ND fans seem to be even entertaining the idea that he didn't mastermind this, unfortunately), but ND fans should be careful not to go the complete other way and completely excuse away his behavior.

In Swarbrick's press conference I thought he left plenty of room for Manti to step up to the plate on some of his actions. To me he clearly felt like Manti has some atonement to do.

 

[Kak7304]

Brian Hamilton ‏@ChiTribHamilton

Basically, legal standard for intentional infliction of emotional distress is 'outrageous' behavior. Other bars to clear. But that's start.

Brian Hamilton ‏@ChiTribHamilton

If Manti Te'o presses civil charges, likely venue would be California, and that's layman-level summary of standard for civil juries there.

Looks like there might be some legal action.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

It is possible, maybe even probable, that he wasn't truthful with several aspects of his story, but this is not a good example. Him saying that she attended Stanford is consistent with the inference that he made that part up; however, it is also consistent with a contradictory conclusion: that Ronaiah/Lennay said that she went to Stanford and he reiterated what he actually believed. Consistency should not be peddled as proof unless it also precludes contradicting narratives. In this case, he could have believed, based on what Ronaiah/Lennay told him, that she was at the game and that she was a Stanford student. I'm sure there are holes that cast doubt on how candid he was about this whole thing (e.g., that it was only telephonic/online), but this isn't one of them.

The Phammer rests his case, Your Honor.... awesome.

 

[PraetorianND]

SB 1411 Senate Bill - CHAPTERED

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 528.5 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
528.5. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person
who knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another
actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other
electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening,
or defrauding another person is guilty of a public offense punishable
pursuant to subdivision (d).
(b) For purposes of this section, an impersonation is credible if
another person would reasonably believe, or did reasonably believe,
that the defendant was or is the person who was impersonated.
(c) For purposes of this section, "electronic means" shall include
opening an e-mail account or an account or profile on a social
networking Internet Web site in another person's name.
(d) A violation of subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine not
exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a
county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and
imprisonment.
(e) In addition to any other civil remedy available, a person who
suffers damage or loss by reason of a violation of subdivision (a)
may bring a civil action against the violator for compensatory
damages and injunctive relief or other equitable relief pursuant to
paragraphs (1), (2), (4), and (5) of subdivision (e) and subdivision
(g) of Section 502.
(f) This section shall not preclude prosecution under any other
law.
SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to
Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because
the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school
district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or
infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty
for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the
Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the
meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
Constitution.

If this was on Roniah Tuiasosopo then Manti should absolutely file a criminal complaint. As much as litigation sucks I think it would go a long way to clear Manti's name.

 

[GaryMcLain'sSkiLodge]

No italics needed

Part of the reason this is a big story is because Manti lied.

Agreed. IMO, you can sugarcoat it any way you want (i.e. the use of the word "embellish"). I think Manti did lie about his relationship with Lennay. Why is debatable. I'm still behind him 100% regardless. People make mistakes; his was one of innocence and immaturity.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

It's only a lie if he knew it was false.

You should probably step away from this for a few days. Your posting on this issue has been persistently and irrationally negative.

It hasn't been just this issue.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i'm not a law major nor do i have any clue on how to interpret it, but is it possible that manti could sue deadspin for breaking the story for defamation since they said they were "80%" certain he was involved in the hoax