BK stays at ND

[chicago51]

I have no interest in Charlie Strong. He's a good coach, but as soon as a high caliber SEC job is offered, he'd be gone.

Supposedly he turned down Tennesse (SEC) to stay at Louisville.

 

[pumpdog20]

Supposedly he turned down Tennesse (SEC) to stay at Louisville.

Maybe he's waiting for a good team.

 

[Cali_domer]

Supposedly he turned down Tennesse (SEC) to stay at Louisville.

He did and I doubt Florida or Alabama(LSU) will come calling.

 

[irishog77]

Strong wants the South Carolina job, which will be opening up in a couple years.

 

[btown35]

Maybe Gary Patterson or Chris Peterson at Boise? I personally like Mike Gundy at Okalhoma State!

 

[CHIDomer9]

But what I don't get, and this is probably a statement about society in general, is why can't BK and his agent just set up a meeting with Swarbrick and talk about renegotiating?

Whose to say they haven't already? Just because it is being reported now doesn't mean this is the first time Kelly or Armstrong have met with NFL teams.

Swarbrick already said he is open to doing what it takes to keep Kelly. So why do you have to pull this strong arm negotiating b.s.? Don't you have a relationship with your AD? Aren't you human beings who can talk?

We aren't talking about a 2% raise and unlimited ink pens here. I'm sure Swarbrick wants to give him an extension and a raise. He deserves it. But he also needs to cover himself in the eyes of everyone that scrutinizes everything he does. He could very well be telling CBK and Armstrong to go on these interviews and drum up the speculation so that he can in no way be blamed for extending and giving more money to a coach after one good year. Weis was 14-5 with no bowl victories when he was extended. If CBK is extended and given more money and the success is not sustained, Swarbrick needs to be able to say that a major reason he did what he did was to react to competition for that year's Coach of the Year. No one will fault him for that. But if he extends a coach with one good season and a 1-2 record in bowl games and it goes south, the heat will be on him.

But hey, tell kids like Te'o why they should stay in school and give up the money of the NFL.

So Te'o is a man on the field and a man when he decides to stay in school and a man when he is such a positive force off the field, but when it came time to make that decision to come back for a senior year and CBK is talking to him, then he is a kid? Got it.

 

[dwshade]

Strong wants the South Carolina job, which will be opening up in a couple years.

Strong has no interest in that job.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Things I think Kelly would want:

- Admission standards flexed.
- More money for his assistants.
- Lengthy and lucrative contract for himself.

All things JW would need time to evaluate and consider university wide.

He may not be able to provide kelly with some of his requests.

 

[chicago51]

I think Charlie Strong feels a strong sense of loyalty toward Louisville. Strong tried for years to get a head coaching job Louisville gave him his shot. I think he'll stick by them because they had faith in him. Plus Louisville's future is secured by joining the ACC and Strong stealing boatloads of prospects from Florida.

 

[palinurus]

Regardless of what he says, what the recruits see is after 3 years he had enough jittery feet to seek an interview. Which translates to "He could leave at any point".

The timing of everything is just bad.

This is a good point. I don't like the timing at all, either. Forget the dance, just pick up the phone and call Swarbrick and say, "I want five more years @ $2 mil per, because I'm worth it. If not, I may as well see what's out there, because I've got kids to send to school and I want to strike while the iron is hot."

I know recruits are saying it doesn't matter, but it's unsettling; if it is for all of us, it is for 18 year old kids planning their futures.

On the other hand, he may really want to coach the pros now and, although I doubt this, if it is true, there isn't really another way for him, or Swarbrick, to handle it.

 

[chicago51]

Things I think Kelly would want:

- Admission standards flexed.
- More money for his assistants.
- Lengthy and lucrative contract for himself.

All things JW would need time to evaluate and consider university wide.

He may not be able to provide kelly with some of his requests.

Maybe we'll get AQM after all.

 

[IrishLion]

There's no such thing as good timing at any point in a situation like this. There are always going to be drawbacks, regardless at what point during the year a coach starts looking/leaves.

 

[pumpdog20]

Things I think Kelly would want:

- Admission standards flexed.
- More money for his assistants.
- Lengthy and lucrative contract for himself.

All things JW would need time to evaluate and consider university wide.

He may not be able to provide kelly with some of his requests.

I think this class is proving that the admission standards are fine. Sure we may miss out on a AQM every now an then, but we and Stanford (maybe even Vanderbilt) are showing that you can do it at a high level with the standards as is.

I know this might not be your wishes, just giving my opinion.

 

[Al H.]

It's a money ploy. He'll get an extension and more $ from ND now that's all.

He could have just tried asking ND for more. I know that sounds simplistic, but if he is doing this Eagles thing, the impact on the recruits, the current squad and the ND nation is hugely negative for coach. You can pull that crap at a place like LSU, attention spans are shorter.

If he stays, expect his relationship with Swarbrick to suffer a bit. Swarbrick should be filling the pipeline now with potential replacements. It's still a 5 star coaching position and with the team looking this strong for the immediate future we should get some serious looks from some serious guys.

Brian Kelly may have had enough of us. Notre Dame's a tough room. Hot spot light. You can't tell me Philadelphia's any easier, though. If he's seriously thinking of this move, enough to investigate it on the ground, then he should leave. From Swarbrick's side, he should feel like he has to replace him. Kelly's embarrassing ND right now. Thanks for helping us out Coach Kelly and best of luck.

I could be wrong about all of the above. Just guessing.

 

[Irish93]

Jake Brown ‏@Jake_Brown
#NotreDame recruits, including those set to enroll this weekend, still in the dark on Brian Kelly situation. Says one: "This is so weird."

This is my issue with the situation. Timing wise, I would have liked to see him do this after all of these kids have enrolled. I don't like to see these kids in the dark. I'm not saying that Kelly should tell them what is going on, but the timing is just crappy.

 

[IrishLion]

He could have just tried asking ND for more. I know that sounds simplistic, but if he is doing this Eagles thing, the impact on the recruits, the current squad and the ND nation is hugely negative for coach. You can pull that crap at a place like LSU, attention spans are shorter.

If he stays, expect his relationship with Swarbrick to suffer a bit. Swarbrick should be filling the pipeline now with potential replacements. It's still a 5 star coaching position and with the team looking this strong for the immediate future we should get some serious looks from some serious guys.

Brian Kelly may have had enough of us. Notre Dame's a tough room. Hot spot light. You can't tell me Philadelphia's any easier, though. If he's seriously thinking of this move, enough to investigate it on the ground, then he should leave. From Swarbrick's side, he should feel like he has to replace him. Kelly's embarrassing ND right now. Thanks for helping us out Coach Kelly and best of luck.

I could be wrong about all of the above. Just guessing.

You don't know the situation... maybe he did try asking about it?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

The longer this is taking, the more aggravated I'm getting.

 

[Luckylucci]

This thread has went Aaron lynch crazy and its awesome. Rightfully so due to the magnitude of the situation. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I think this class is proving that the admission standards are fine. Sure we may miss out on a AQM every now an then, but we and Stanford (maybe even Vanderbilt) are showing that you can do it at a high level with the standards as is.

I know this might not be your wishes, just giving my opinion.

I understand that but I think we are missing out on more "AQMs" then we know about.

 

[WaveDomer]

So Te'o is a man on the field and a man when he decides to stay in school and a man when he is such a positive force off the field, but when it came time to make that decision to come back for a senior year and CBK is talking to him, then he is a kid? Got it.

No he can be a kid who does great things on the field and off the field. Not really sure where you are coming from and you're playing semantics a bit. Of course, staying in school is a decision an individual will make. I just used Te'o as an example. My point is that many of us want players to be loyal to the school and love it when they are, but then coaches can turn around and play games to get more money. Sort of a compare and contrast thing, see?

And to your above points, they make sense and like I said, I know that's how the world works. But it doesn't mean it's right or I have to like it.

 

[Patulski]

Here's an alternate viewpoint, which may already have been brought up, but I don't have time to sort through the whole thread. So, I apologize if it has already been brought up:

After being smoked by Alabama in the BCS game, ND and Kelly are trying to raise his profile as a coach who is-despite the loss- so valuable that the NFL wants him. It raises his profile nationally and gives him lots of publicity, and after turning down the NFL who recognizes his genius, Kelly signs a long term contract with ND reassuring this recruiting class and the next that he - despite being wanted by the NFL- is staying at ND.

 

[Luckylucci]

While I agree that we are missing on more AQM's than we know of that doesn't mean we should change. The team this year was extremely competitive and we didn't need to bend for them. The staff may have to work a little harder to find the right fit but I don't think we should just rollover and say ok lets be like everybody else.

 

[arrowryan]

While I agree that we are missing on more AQM's than we know of that doesn't mean we should change. The team this year was extremely competitive and we didn't need to bend for them. The staff may have to work a little harder to find the right fit but I don't think we should just rollover and say ok lets be like everybody else.

I some what agree but we all saw on Monday that the talent difference between us and Bama is the size of the Red Sea.

 

[ND NYC]

hearing that the Alabama players are looking for their raises this week as well

 

[Irish Insanity]

All the comments about the recruits being in the dark and things, isn't it dead period for recruiting where we can't contact them? If they knew what was going on, that would show a recruiting violation and a bigger issue.

 

[Grahambo]

While the timing isn't ideal, its a very manageable situation.

 

[johnnykillz]

This thread has went Aaron lynch crazy and its awesome. Rightfully so due to the magnitude of the situation. Just wanted to point that out.

Awesome like... cancer?

 

[Al H.]

You don't know the situation... maybe he did try asking about it?

I know, that's why I said I'm just guessing. We all are. The next voice we hear should be Jack Swarbrick. It needs to be soon. He's in a tough a spot.

Jack: `What do you know and when did you know it'?

If Swarbrick was blind sided on this he should go get himself a strong list of replacement coaches. He'd be entitled.

Anybody know the `out' clause that would let Kelly go if he wanted to? That info is hard to dig up I realize. If he leaves are we free of him financially?

 

[Irish93]

I guess the key is how long this persists. It seems like we've been thinking about this for days, but in reality it has been 15-16 hours.

Does anyone remember how long Chip Kelly flirted with the NFL this past week?

 

[GoldenDomer15]

remember BK's background in politics...he knows what he is doing. but the more time that goes by with no word from anyone but ESPN makes me a little nervous.