BK stays at ND

[Whiskeyjack]

I just sucks that the ND has to go through this. We needed to come together again after the Nat Championship debacle, and now Coach does this. I don't care if this is negotiating tactic or not for an extension. It can't make this awesome class feel that great. 3 years and looking at other jobs??? Sorry, not very happy with it.

How do you feel about ND paying BK less than 26 other CFB head coaches? Charlie Weis went 1-11 at Kansas this year, and he still made more in base pay than Kelly did.

If you want to be angry, direct it at Swarbrick and Jenkins for not heading this off earlier.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The Turning Point ‏@turningpointnd
All is well. #RiseUp

I hope he/they are talking about BK.

And there you have it. I'm gonna trust TP on this one.

 

[Irish52]

Disappointing

Disappointing

Kelly has repeatedly professed his love for Notre Dame so it is disappointing to suddenly indicate interest in a NFL position. I would hope he would decide soon and not risk losing the commited recruits for the '13 class. Should he leave, I hope one of the assistant coaches would be selected to take the job.

 

[chicago51]

How do you feel about ND paying BK less than 26 other CFB head coaches? Charlie Weis went 1-11 at Kansas this year, and he still made more in base pay than Kelly did.

If you want to be angry, direct it at Swarbrick and Jenkins for not heading this off earlier.

He makes more the Gus Malzahn (2.3 mil per year now at Auburn) the greatest offensive mind in the history of football. What more do you want?

 

[Irish Insanity]

And there you have it. I'm gonna trust TP on this one.

Beat me to it.

 

[irishpat183]

How do you feel about ND paying BK less than 26 other CFB head coaches? Charlie Weis went 1-11 at Kansas this year, and he still made more in base pay than Kelly did.

And I think we understand that. So work that out with Swarbuck...or, take interviews after NSD.

I mean, this isn't a positive thing anyway you spin it. Given the culture of coaching (and Kelly's past) as an incoming recruit...can you really be confident that he's going to be there? (yes, this could apply to a number of coaches, but lets just stick to Kelly)




(again, I think he stays, but it's a discussion)

 

[irishpat183]

Kelly has repeatedly professed his love for Notre Dame so it is disappointing to suddenly indicate interest in a NFL position. I would hope he would decide soon and not risk losing the commited recruits for the '13 class. Should he leave, I hope one of the assistant coaches would be selected to take the job.

Exactly.

So which is it...You lying to ND, or leading on the NFL for a bigger contract?

 

[chicago51]

Kelly has repeatedly professed his love for Notre Dame so it is disappointing to suddenly indicate interest in a NFL position. I would hope he would decide soon and not risk losing the commited recruits for the '13 class. Should he leave, I hope one of the assistant coaches would be selected to take the job.

Again I strongly stated I don't think he leaves.

BUT if he did. I think you have to promote Diaco. The coaching carosell in college has already ended. While could still hire someone on the outside that would mean the whole staff changes. I think the recruits will feel better if the whole rest of the staff stayed in place.

 

[tadman95]

So I wonder what Swarbrick is thinking; "If you're looking we're looking"?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And I think we understand that. So work that out with Swarbuck...or, take interviews after NSD.

We have no idea what the negotiations between Kelly and Swarbrick have been like. Since there are some obvious downsides to utilizing this negotiation tactic, I'm inclined to give Kelly the benefit of the doubt and assume it was necessary. If Swarbrick was already willing to give Kelly his due, why risk the appearance of instability this way? Wouldn't make sense.

As I mentioned earlier, the potential leverage offered by interviewing with the Eagles could easily be gone if Kelly waited until after NSD.

I mean, this isn't a positive thing anyway you spin it. Given the culture of coaching (and Kelly's past) as an incoming recruit...can you really be confident that he's going to be there? (yes, this could apply to a number of coaches, but lets just stick to Kelly)

Given how poorly informed most recruits seem to be, it's fair to assume this is making a lot of our commits nervous. But this is how top CFB coaches ensure they're getting paid fairly. Les Miles, Chip Kelly and Nick Saban have all done this multiple times over the past few years. Unless there's another credible offer on the table, it's difficult to simply walk into the AD's office and demand a larger chunk of the millions generated by a successful head coach.

Fortunately for us, ND is a destination job. Historically, our coaches simply don't voluntarily leave for better gigs, and I seriously doubt BK will be the first. Swarbrick will pay him, and we'll all look back on this and laugh in a week or so.

 

[nsideirish]

And I think we understand that. So work that out with Swarbuck...or, take interviews after NSD.

I mean, this isn't a positive thing anyway you spin it. Given the culture of coaching (and Kelly's past) as an incoming recruit...can you really be confident that he's going to be there? (yes, this could apply to a number of coaches, but lets just stick to Kelly)




(again, I think he stays, but it's a discussion)

Not many jobs are open after NSD....

 

[Patulski]

How do you feel about ND paying BK less than 26 other CFB head coaches? Charlie Weis went 1-11 at Kansas this year, and he still made more in base pay than Kelly did.

If you want to be angry, direct it at Swarbrick and Jenkins for not heading this off earlier.

Agree.

 

[btown35]

i think he is staying but if he leaves the list of candidates for me:

Urban meyer
Bob Stoops
Mike Gundy
Pat Fitzgerald
David Shaw
Jim Mora Jr

 

[Ironman8]

Colin Cowherd ‏@ESPN_Colin

Just told that there is REAL interest by Brian Kelly. Not just leverage play. Getting interesting. Fast.

Oh Colin. How I don't trust or give credence to a word out of your mouth.

 

[nsideirish]

This is just part of being an elite program with an elite coach. Alabama goes through it all the time with Saban. Oregon with Chip Kelly. USC used to with Poodle. Florida will start going through it with Muschamp.

Comes with the territory guys.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Go to ND admin and say I will start looking if I don't get a pay raise or what not! Now it just looks bad to recruits. If he did that and it didn't work, maybe this was his only way of getting more money.

I think if he would have layed out a compelling arugment of where he is positioned in pay through out college football, where we placed this year, and if he looks how it can effect the team moving forward--it may of worked????

This just hurts in overall recruiting IMO Right at a time we need impact players this year and next. Bad timing

Unless he is going to get a big extention this week and then he has plenty of time before signing day. Still don't like it though.

 

[chicago51]

Colin Cowherd ‏@ESPN_Colin


Oh Colin. How I don't trust or give credence to a word out of your mouth.

This an ESPN conspiracy I tell ya.

1 - ESPN (its parent company ABC) biggest (only) competitor is the NBC Sports network owned by yes NBC Notre Dame's TV parter. Not that NBC is much of a competitor.

2 - ESPN is angy at Notre Dame and blaim them for ruining the NC game that they hyped up so much.

3 - ESPN just hates Notre Dame.

 

[chicago51]

i think he is staying but if he leaves the list of candidates for me:

Urban meyer
Bob Stoops
Mike Gundy
Pat Fitzgerald
David Shaw
Jim Mora Jr

If we hire David Shaw maybe Mike Wilbon will finally forgive ND over the Willingham situation lol.

 

[Cali_domer]

i think he is staying but if he leaves the list of candidates for me:

Urban meyer
Bob Stoops
Mike Gundy
Pat Fitzgerald
David Shaw
Jim Mora Jr

He isn't leaving but Charlie Strong has to be on that list. He has coached at ND and is a solid coach.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Go to ND admin and say I will start looking if I don't get a pay raise or what not!

I'm sure his agent has done that.

Now it just looks bad to recruits.

Yes, but this happens for all the top CFB coaches, and it never seems to hurt their recruiting.

If he did that and it didn't work, maybe this was his only way of getting more money.

This is a distinct possibility. As I mentioned earlier, direct your anger at Swarbrick and Jenkins if you must. This was entirely foreseeable, and should have been headed off earlier.

I think if he would have layed out a compelling arugment of where he is positioned in pay through out college football, where we placed this year, and if he looks how it can effect the team moving forward--it may of worked????

BK has an agent who, given his client list, is presumably very good at his job. I'm certain BK's salary position relative to his peers was brought up.

This just hurts in overall recruiting IMO Right at a time we need impact players this year and next. Bad timing.

There's never a "good" time for this to happen. It just comes with the territory of having a competitive program with a top coach. And as I mentioned previously, it never seems to hurt other such programs' recruiting.

Unless he is going to get a big extention this week and then he has plenty of time before signing day.

I'd bet this is exactly what will happen.

Still don't like it though.

You don't have enough information to be upset at Kelly. If we're making assumptions, direct that anger at Swarbrick and Jenkins.

 

[Kak7304]

Forget Kelly I say we just tell him to GFO now before he breaks our hearts. Lets go out and get Gus Malzahn. I know he just signed with Auburn but lets spend even more than it would take to give Kelly raise and lets buy out and get Gus Malzahn.

I hear he's worth an extra 20 point per game wherever he goes.

 

[gkIrish]

i think he is staying but if he leaves the list of candidates for me:

Urban meyer
Bob Stoops
Mike Gundy
Pat Fitzgerald
David Shaw
Jim Mora Jr

Urban Meyer is not leaving OSU for Notre Dame. Basically a lateral move with more constraints.

I've been told Pat Fitzgerald will NEVER leave Northwestern. He basically wants to be the JoePa of that program (minus the bad stuff)

 

[connor_in]

a couple of things from my own 2 cents...

I don't think it is realistic to wait until after NSD to interview for an NFL HC position unless its for a team deep into the playoffs. For those that ended their season already, there is very little reason for an NFL team to wait more than a month just to even interview the guy.

Not sure if it has been mentioned as of yet here, but Holtz was the last coach who left even seemingly of his own accord and he lasted 11 years. So even guys who love it here leave at some point as it is a hard and draining job. More national recruiting than anyone, more national appearances than anyone. If he wants to consider an NFL career at some point, the thing is to get your foot in the door when you are hot and the door is open.

I was shocked that it came out as it did, but I actually expected him to do something along these lines. At some point he was asked about NFL contact and said something to the effect of he was focused on the NCG and they would have to contact his agent.

I know I might get pelted for this post as it seems to go against the conventional wisdom of anger/disappointment/meltdown, but as I said, other than the way it came out and the lack of any kind of follow up by noon today as the fan base implodes...I expected him to talk to one or two teams briefly and then show back up to work at ND with a raise for himself and hopefully his assistants as well.

As the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has on its cover "DON'T PANIC"

(...and no I don't have any TP like sources, I am just an ordinary schmoe like most of the rest of you)

 

[chicago51]

Urban Meyer is not leaving OSU for Notre Dame. Basically a lateral move with more constraints.

I've been told Pat Fitzgerald will NEVER leave Northwestern. He basically wants to be the JoePa of that program (minus the bad stuff)

Yes I met the guy and this is the sence I get. He loves NW. NW is more important to him than money or championships.

 

[WaveDomer]

I understand this is how the world works, especially sports. But what I don't get, and this is probably a statement about society in general, is why can't BK and his agent just set up a meeting with Swarbrick and talk about renegotiating? Swarbrick already said he is open to doing what it takes to keep Kelly. So why do you have to pull this strong arm negotiating b.s.? Don't you have a relationship with your AD? Aren't you human beings who can talk? I can see him doing this if Swarbrick was opposed to paying him more, but what the hell, he's not. It's not like you work for Comiskey. But this is the way of sports now. It's why all the conferences are a joke and moving everywhere. It's why a kid in the SEC will get a letter in August telling him he's cut from the team. But hey, tell kids like Te'o why they should stay in school and give up the money of the NFL.

P.S. From that salary list, it looks like coaching at a state school is the way to go. Figures.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I understand this is how the world works, especially sports. But what I don't get, and this is probably a statement about society in general, is why can't BK and his agent just set up a meeting with Swarbrick and talk about renegotiating? Swarbrick already said he is open to doing what it takes to keep Kelly. So why do you have to pull this strong arm negotiating b.s.? Don't you have a relationship with your AD? Aren't you human beings who can talk? I can see him doing this if Swarbrick was opposed to paying him more, but what the hell, he's not. It's not like you work for Comiskey. But this is the way of sports now. It's why all the conferences are a joke and moving everywhere. It's why a kid in the SEC will get a letter in August telling him he's cut from the team. But hey, tell kids like Te'o why they should stay in school and give up the money of the NFL.

P.S. From that salary list, it looks like coaching at a state school is the way to go. Figures.

Said best earlier by Connor_in:

a couple of things from my own 2 cents...

I don't think it is realistic to wait until after NSD to interview for an NFL HC position unless its for a team deep into the playoffs. For those that ended their season already, there is very little reason for an NFL team to wait more than a month just to even interview the guy.

. . .

I was shocked that it came out as it did, but I actually expected him to do something along these lines. At some point he was asked about NFL contact and said something to the effect of he was focused on the NCG and they would have to contact his agent.

I remember seeing that segment of the Kelly interview just a few days ago, and thinking, hmm! A friend of mine and I talked about it. I got the impression, all of a sudden, Kelly was ready to leave. I got that Kelly was saying with not denying his interest in the NFL for the first time, (he had always been against that move), that Kelly was saying, wait until after the NCG. So when this happened, his leaving became a forgone conclusion to me. Don't see it as a leverage situation at all.

 

[irishpat183]

We have no idea what the negotiations between Kelly and Swarbrick have been like. Since there are some obvious downsides to utilizing this negotiation tactic, I'm inclined to Kelly the benefit of the doubt and assume it was necessary. If Swarbrick was already willing to give Kelly his due, why risk the appearance of instability this way? Wouldn't make sense.

As I mentioned earlier, the potential leverage offered by interviewing with the Eagles could easily be gone if Kelly waited until after NSD.

Given how poorly informed most recruits seem to be, it's fair to assume this is making a lot of our commits nervous. But this is how top CFB coaches ensure they're getting paid fairly. Les Miles, Chip Kelly and Nick Saban have all done this multiple times over the past few years. Unless there's another credible offer on the table, it's difficult to simply walk into the AD's office and demand a larger chunk of the millions generated by a successful head coach.

Fortunately for us, ND is a destination job. Historically, our coaches simply don't voluntarily leave for better gigs, and I seriously doubt BK will be the first. Swarbrick will pay him, and we'll all look back on this and laugh in a week or so.

That's what I'm hoping!

 

[WaveDomer]

By the way, remember the thread about BK surpassing Holtz? Hahahah.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Bottom line is that if he hasn't been hired in the next 24 hours then it isn't going to happen.

 

[pumpdog20]

He isn't leaving but Charlie Strong has to be on that list. He has coached at ND and is a solid coach.

I have no interest in Charlie Strong. He's a good coach, but as soon as a high caliber SEC job is offered, he'd be gone.