Manti Te'o for Heisman

[jason_h537]

Congrats to Manziel, deserving winner. Sure I wish Te'o had won but I knew he wouldn't I do not see why so many are upset. Just seems childish.

 

[Irish#1]

Heisman has been a stat-padder popularity contest for years.

I have totally lost respect for this award. Even Klein was more deserving then Manziel.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have totally lost respect for this award. Even Klein was more deserving then Manziel.

Yeah, I remember clearly my dad getting to this point. I am only saying it because I am there. I didn't understand it back in the day. But, now . . . .

Here is to those that want to maintain their fraternaties base upon principles they don't even practice. To all those blindly ignorant, or willing to give up the truth to follow.


One of my favorite things about Manti after I got over the shock, is the realization that he realizes all of this, and to see him harness his rage to direct it on the field . . .

 

[Grahambo]

Yeah, I remember clearly my dad getting to this point. I am only saying it because I am there. I didn't understand it back in the day. But, now . . . .

Here is to those that want to maintain their fraternaties base upon principles they don't even practice. To all those blindly ignorant, or willing to give up the truth to follow.


One of my favorite things about Manti after I got over the shock, is the realization that he realizes all of this, and to see him harness his rage to direct it on the field . . .

The Chicago Tribune had a good interview with Manti where he basically says he is using it as motivation because people don't think he's good enough.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Graham, bro,

Dial up the post-award interview. Eric H asked him a couple questions. Look at Manti's face; talk about a storm moving over! Shazam! I kind of feel bad for those elephants!

 

[RDU Irish]

Bo Jackson 30 for 30 was pretty sweet after the Heisman show. I had lost appreciation for how special of an athlete he was. Particularly how humble he was, and is. He really embodies what the Heisman should be, celebrating an athlete who borders on legend.

Freshman just don't have the body of work to earn this, if they have the quality, they will be back the next year. T'eo had it. RGIII had it. Tebow had it. Bo Jackson had it. Herchel Walker had it.

Hard to fill those shoes every year but damn if they didn't have the chance. I just have the feeling Manzeil will be looked at similar to Gino Toretta and Danny Wuerfel ten years from now when I watch the show and see names of past winners.

And what is up with Klein not even kissing his wife until they were married? That kind of weirds me out.

 

[NDfaninBama]

Graham, bro,

Dial up the post-award interview. Eric H asked him a couple questions. Look at Manti's face; talk about a storm moving over! Shazam! I kind of feel bad for those elephants![/QUOTE

I love the look...I despise bama.
Chicago Tribune

 

[connor_in]

Here's the thing about the Heisman. I had hopes Manti would get it this year, especially as the other guys (early leaders) seemed to knock themselves out of the conversation. I figured he might have a good chance especially up against a 2 loss freshmen but never thought he was the favorite (especially when you watched the sports guys light up when they mentioned JF and his stats).

For years the running back was the focus of the offense and the Heisman was regularly given out to the best back in the nation with some QB's thrown in there. You would have an all purpose guy show up too, Tim Brown would never have won as just a receiver...his returns pushed him over the top. Then as the game shifted to more and more of a passing centric game, the QB's took back over the award (many QB's in the way back won it as leaders and as primary runners) with the occasional RB. The wild part is, when they gave it to RBs it seemed I agreed with them most of the time because those guys really dominated the game and you didn't call them system backs because everybody played the game the same way. The advent of the up tempo run and gun offenses brought us these QBs with ungodly numbers and also got us some Heisman winners that were really more plug-and-play guys who racked up yards in a system designed for it than truly the best player out there. I know the pros are not the way to prove a guy was worthy or not, but many heisman guys used to have pretty decent pro careers. A lot of these system QBs that had big #s in CFB and are heisman winners or finalists have gone on to squat afterwards.

I think Manti was the better player, better leader, most consistant player of the finalists this year (I would have put Lee second if I had a vote and LaVeon Bell form MSU in top 5 as he literally carried his team this year). I also think that Manti will have the better post CFB career (barring injury) and wonder if you will see JF in the pros at all (maybe Canadian is better setup for him).

Basically I just wanted to get my final thoughts off my chest in this matter, congratulate Manti on winning 7 major national awards (new record by two for those that claimed he was competent at best and shouldn't even have been in NYC as a finalist), and turn my attention to 1/7/13 and the brawl we are to go into in the Orange Bowl. With the lines of these two teams, I honsetly think this will be a little bit of a throwback style game (maybe not the pre-historic throwback that was the Ala -LSU match). I think we have an excellent chance of winning the thing and look forward to watching this edition of ND Football on the field as a unit one last time. Good Luck men!

 

[__________]

Its not a career award.

Plenty of truth to that. How many that have won the Heisman, had a successful career afterwards? Not just money, but playing and putting up Heisman like performances in the big league?

Sucks that Manti didn't win it and would have been nice to have the only true defensive player to receive it. In the back of my mind, I also didn't want the Heisman to curse his NFL career though.

 

[SoDakDomer]

Peter King on why he thought Manti deserved the Heisman. Pretty well summarized IMO.

"Nothing against Manziel (how many first-year starting quarterbacks walk into Tuscaloosa and beat Nick Saban and the unbeaten Tide?), and I don't watch a lot of college football, so I shouldn't have a vote. But think of this: Where was Notre Dame before this season in the eyes of America? Not ranked in the AP writers' poll, ranked 24th in the USA Today coaches' poll.

With an inconsistent offense all season, Te'o was huge in so many big wins -- two picks of Denard Robinson in beating Michigan, a late pick of Landry Jones to seal the win over Oklahoma, leading goal-line stands against Stanford and USC, and, arguably, the best leader on any team in college football. They stand No. 1 now, the only unbeaten team in the land, and I agree with Brian Kelly: If Te'o doesn't win the Heisman this year, no defensive player will ever win it."

 

[ThePiombino]

Peter King on why he thought Manti deserved the Heisman. Pretty well summarized IMO.

"Nothing against Manziel (how many first-year starting quarterbacks walk into Tuscaloosa and beat Nick Saban and the unbeaten Tide?), and I don't watch a lot of college football, so I shouldn't have a vote. But think of this: Where was Notre Dame before this season in the eyes of America? Not ranked in the AP writers' poll, ranked 24th in the USA Today coaches' poll.

With an inconsistent offense all season, Te'o was huge in so many big wins -- two picks of Denard Robinson in beating Michigan, a late pick of Landry Jones to seal the win over Oklahoma, leading goal-line stands against Stanford and USC, and, arguably, the best leader on any team in college football. They stand No. 1 now, the only unbeaten team in the land, and I agree with Brian Kelly: If Te'o doesn't win the Heisman this year, no defensive player will ever win it."

It's nice to see a "big name" come out in support of our guy, but I couldn't really take anything he said seriously after the above bolded.

 

[__________]

I wonder how many of the reports get to watch full on college football? It seems like anyone that wants a Heisman vote can get it. I'm guessing they'll probably start handing them out to bloggers and not just paid reporters soon too. Heisman has turned into the EPSN "Flavor of the Week" Award. Whoever they think is hot the last week of the year will get it.

As far as we know, Manti could have had a pick 6 and a sack against USC, then maybe the voters would have swung his way based on his last game.

 

[RDU Irish]

Bama is going to wish Manti won the Heisman.

 

[connor_in]

Bama is going to wish Manti won the Heisman.

I said the same thing especially after i say all the other ND players tweeting their anger/frustration/disappointment in Manti's Heisman outcome. Just seemed like it was kicking a hornets nest.

 

[NDdomer2]

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Gotta think this is the Manti/ND affect.

 

[phork]

Gotta think this is the Manti/ND affect.

Maybe more freshman and defensive players are a good idea.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i think TP's analysis can in a way explain why some voters were turned off of manti for the heisman...lou had such a stud year that ppl prolly thought he made manti look better than he is, which of course is not true, but that's what came to my mind while reading that.

 

[dublinirish]

i think TP's analysis can in a way explain why some voters were turned off of manti for the heisman...lou had such a stud year that ppl prolly thought he made manti look better than he is, which of course is not true, but that's what came to my mind while reading that.

i seriously doubt 80% of the heisman voters know who Louis Nix is. They really arent as informed as you would think and expect

 

[rtrn2glory]

i seriously doubt 80% of the heisman voters know who Louis Nix is. They really arent as informed as you would think and expect

i disagree...i would hope that if you were given the priviledge of having a vote that you should be an informed voter if you're a member of the media voting...maybe i'm wrong, but i bet once you take those voters who are regionally biased out of the picture then you are left with ppl who know what they're doing.

 

[PANDFAN]

i disagree...i would hope that if you were given the priviledge of having a vote that you should be an informed voter if you're a member of the media voting...maybe i'm wrong, but i bet once you take those voters who are regionally biased out of the picture then you are left with ppl who know what they're doing.

unfortunately, probably not true!

 

[chicago51]

i disagree...i would hope that if you were given the priviledge of having a vote that you should be an informed voter if you're a member of the media voting...maybe i'm wrong, but i bet once you take those voters who are regionally biased out of the picture then you are left with ppl who know what they're doing.

The media usually knows their stuff. They may be biased but they tend to know.

Former Heisman's get to vote as well. Some of them don't know much as they often only follow their respective alma mater and perphaps its conference rather than the NCAA as a whole. Does Tim Tebow know who Louis Nix is?

 

[dublinirish]

22% of the Heisman voters sent in their ballots before the end of November :/

 

[dublinirish]

The media usually knows their stuff. They may be biased but they tend to know.

Former Heisman's get to vote as well. Some of them don't know much as they often only follow their respective alma mater and perphaps its conference rather than the NCAA as a whole. Does Tim Tebow know who Louis Nix is?

i doubt even Desmond Howard does, and its his job :/

 

[IrishGiant]

Again, simply making the ceremony is about the highest honor a defensive player can achieve when it comes to the Heisman.

sad, but true. The Heisman doesnt go to the best "player" in CFB, it goes to the most popular QB or RB in CFB. Not saying Manzeil is undeserving, but the whole Heisman trophy is a joke IMO. Until positions other than QB or RB win thats my view on it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Before we get back to EV, my opinion on the subject is in agreement with dublinirish. There were numerous SEC-area voters who admitted to siding with Manziel strictly because of conference affiliation. I wasn't aware of the fact that 22% turned in their votes by Nov. That's absurd and shouldn't be allowed. I've listened to plenty of the media talk about Manti's lack of stats (TFL, etc), Klein's loss to Baylor, and then in the same breath mention that Manziel's victory over Alabama is why he'll win (and how UF and LSU losses won't matter). "C'mon maaaaan." The media doesn't know as much as you think they do. They're all just out there to get ratings...

I'm clearly not over this Heisman thing, but perhaps this discussion should be moved to that thread...

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The media usually knows their stuff. They may be biased but they tend to know.
Former Heisman's get to vote as well. Some of them don't know much as they often only follow their respective alma mater and perphaps its conference rather than the NCAA as a whole. Does Tim Tebow know who Louis Nix is?

Just not the case for a lot of them. Look at the list of voters, it is not all national sports writers like you might think it is. You have people Mike Francesa who forgot about the deadline and didn't even vote.

Heisman Voters - Stiff Arm Trophy

 

[PANDFAN]

Just not the case. Look at the list of voters, it is not all national sports writers like you think it is. You have people Mike Francesa who forgot about the deadline and didn't even vote.

Heisman Voters - Stiff Arm Trophy

i don't understand how current NFL players could vote...im sure they are not getting to watch a lot of college ball when traveling on saturday's or days before...and prepping...

 

[dublinirish]

they probably dont bother i would imagine.

 

[IndyIrishFan1]

For me, the fact that Skip Bayless has a vote discredits the award.

 

[KPENN]

For me, the fact that Skip Bayless has a vote discredits the award.

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