Texas A&M fans vs. Te'o

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connor_in

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Remember the Pitt game. Remember that a crap team took you to overtime!!!!!

I love it when they bring this stuff up! Our crappiest game...1) Bowl eligible FBS team; & 2) We still won. If TAMU fans are so hot for stats, you would think that 12-0 and winning percentage of 1.000 would mean something to them.
 

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Growing up we always called TTech fans "tortilla tossers". There's really not a lot to do in Lubbock, it's kind of like South Bend without the education.
 

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Growing up we always called TTech fans "tortilla tossers". There's really not a lot to do in Lubbock, it's kind of like South Bend without the education.

Acutally, Lubbock is an AWESOME party school.

I had some great times there (had buddies that went there)
 

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I understand where Texas A&M is coming from...their butts still hurt from this:

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Oh not to mention the year before Brook and Bettis demolished them in the Cotton bowl to a 28-3 beat down. Bunch of bitches.
 

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Acutally, Lubbock is an AWESOME party school.

I had some great times there (had buddies that went there)

Well there's our answer. They just get liquored up and then start spouting the first thing that comes to mind.
 

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I understand where Texas A&M is coming from...their butts still hurt from this:

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Oh not to mention the year before Brook and Bettis demolished them in the Cotton bowl to a 28-3 beat down. Bunch of bitches.

Loved that middle screen deep in our own territory. Burris tackle to cause the fumble looked like a text book double leg. Did he wrestle in high school?
 

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Loved that middle screen deep in our own territory. Burris tackle to cause the fumble looked like a text book double leg. Did he wrestle in high school?
Don't know if Burris wrestled in high school. but, Burris was one of the best athletes ever on the Notre Dame football team.
 

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Domer, I think it's more a sign of exasperation with the way that all the pundits are overblowing his performance. 7 ints is great, but 4-5 of those were due to either really dumb decisions by the QB (you or I would have picked off the int he got in the USC game, and then there's hella inaccurate Denard...) or being in the right place at the right time after somebody else tipped a pass. So you're left with 2-3 picks, which just isn't statistically significant enough to say anything about how much he dominates.

That was part of one of the posts. So let me get this straight, you are saying that interceptions that are the quarterbacks fault do not count? I'm pretty sure that most every interception is the result of the quarterback making some mistake. What a terrible argument in trying to break down stats. This just made me laugh.
 

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I recognize this will be as productive as ma$turbating with a cheese grater, but I gotta weigh in here. I'm as keen on our guy (Manziel) winning it all as you guys are about yours, but the facts don't lie.

Te'o's a wonderful story and no-doubt-beyond-question a wonderful person. He's inspirational to his team, hard-working, a great role model for those whose parents don't fill the bill, and he's risen above tragic personal events to serve his team and his university with excellence on the football field as well as the classroom.

So give him a Nobel Peace Prize. He's doubtlessly done more to earn it than our beknighted Commander-in-Chief did. Te'o hasn't, however, by any objective measurable, done enough to earn the Maxwell -let alone the Heisman.

See, it still baffles me that anyone is crazy enough to think unadjusted stats tell the whole story of anything... much less for defense. Can you can make a great OL accumulate stats? Or how about lockdown CB that never gets thrown at? A big 'ol bunch of zeros is what their stat line will show.

The simple fact is Manti is given credit for multiple game changing turnovers (he also forced another 2 INTs with QB pressures that don't show up in stats), ND having the #1 defense of which he is the captain, and then team being 12-0 winning with defense. Plus... as has been stated ad nauseum... when you're on a great defense, you get teams off the field, and therefor have less plays to accumulate stats. For referrence, Texas A&M runs about 35% more plays a game than ND's defense allows... if you increase all of Manti's stats by 35%, they're godly.

But this is the inherent flaw with defensive players (and really all players besides QBs and RBs) is that we're a society that likes to quantify everything with stats... and that isn't a good measure for defensive players.

He's not among the top 100 players in college football this year in solo tackles, fumbles forced, TFL's or sacks. Not in the top 100. He is, though, 59th in the country in total tackles. 59th. How can you guys even think he belongs in the conversation? Because he's inspirational? Because he's a nice guy? For real?

Manti Te'o is a good player and a great person. Given. But he's not the best player in college football. He's not even the best linebacker in college football. Sorry, folks- the best player in college football this year is a kid from Kerrville, Texas, and he plays for Texas A&M.

See above about the stats... anyone with half a brain sees the flaw in that logic. And if he wasn't the best player in CFB, he wouldn't have won every single award imaginable for his position, defense, etc.

Manziel WILL win the Heisman. That's a forgone conclusion. The voting system completely guarantees that. But to trivialize T'eo with things like "he's not even the best linebacker!" when he won the best linebacker award, best defensive player award, and is a projected Top 10 NFL draft pick is insane. INSANE. The only other "linebacker" you can make a claim for is Jarvis Jones... who plays a completely different position than Manti. Jones is basically a rush end... Manti is an ILB that hardly ever rushes the passer.

But here's some inconvenient stats for you... more than any other player, Manziel racked up stats when the game was already in hand against inferior competition. Against ranked opponents he went 1-2... and every Heisman hopeful QB is measured on team success to some degree. And he doesn't even rank in the top 20 in passer efficiency.

EDIT: Link from ESPN about how Manziel might not even be the best FRESHMAN QB this year. Close-game numbers don't favor Manziel - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN
 
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The simple fact is Manti is given credit for multiple game changing turnovers (he also forced another 2 INTs with QB pressures that don't show up in stats), ND having the #1 defense of which he is the captain, and then team being 12-0 winning with defense. Plus... as has been stated ad nauseum... when you're on a great defense, you get teams off the field, and therefor have less plays to accumulate stats. For referrence, Texas A&M runs about 35% more plays a game than ND's defense allows... if you increase all of Manti's stats by 35%, they're godly. But this is the inherent flaw with defensive players (and really all players besides QBs and RBs) is that we're a society that likes to quantify everything with stats... and that isn't a good measure for defensive players.

This right here. Texas A&M is also 3rd in the country in plays per game. You ever think that might be why Johnny boy is racking up the yards?? 1st is Marshall (system), 2nd is La Tech (system), 4th is Baylor (system), and 5th is Oregon (system).

When Cam Newton won the Heisman his team averaged 15 less plays a game (!!!) while averaging 7 yds per play (more than A&M this year at 6.6 yards per play). You give Cam 15 more plays a game averaging 7 yards a play and that is another 105 yards a game. Take that x 12 regular season games and that is another 1,260 yards for the year. Cam accounted for 61.8% of Auburn's offense so that would mean he would have had roughly another 779 yards of offense and ole Johnny Football wouldn't have broke the record.
 

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As I've said in other threads, I like that actual discussion is going on in this thread but this thread has been a major source for trolling and I'll have to cut it off here.

Suffice it to say that Manti is the best player on the best defense in the nation. If your linebacker is racking up many more stats than Manti, it's likely because he's spending more time on the field with a defense that tends to stay longer on the field. Furthermore, if Manti is racking up awards in record-numbers for no other reason than his having a remarkable personality and narrative, query why draft analysts or NFL GMs would pick him so high. You don't win games on great character alone, but Notre Dame has won 12 of them so far.
 
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