Joe Montana is not a Kelly or Golson fan

[CurtisCandy]

I stopped caring what Joe Montana says or thinks some time ago; way before this most recent comment.

I appreciate and admire the things he did and accomplished while with ND, but as far as his opinions, I really don't put any stock in what he says because - and this is strictly just my opinion - he's kind of a douche.

 

[Seanthornton]

I think about old Joe and I think about Joe's wife.

AMEN !!!!!!! Roger Clemmens wife idnt too bad either.








KEEP THE FAITH !!!!

GO IRISH!!!!!

 

[philipm31]

Just think he is sour on the school for how his son could not make it. He'll get over it in time. Doesn't change the fact that he's still the best to ever play the game at QB. And I'm still glad he played for the Irish.

This.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think Everett is putting a whole bunch of controversey to rest.

 

[Kak7304]

I think it's safe to say Joe was wrong on this one and obviously bitter about his son's career.

 

[Irish#1]

I think it's safe to say Joe was wrong on this one and obviously bitter about his son's career.

I agree. While Joe can harbor ill feelings about his sons lack of playing, I won't hold it against him. I would have to think he had thoughts of his son doing some of the things he did at ND so he could add to the ND lore.

Joe's stats weren't off the chart while at ND, but you have to remember that he was third string for a good bit of his career. The comebacks he manufactured are legendary. Go watch the ICE Bowl if you want proof.

 

[phgreek]

I think it's safe to say Joe was wrong on this one and obviously bitter about his son's career.

I had said:

"Time will tell if he traded his scrutinizing eye for a bitter red ***"

Survey says...bitter red a$$...

 

[irishdiehard]

Has Joe admitted he was wrong on this yet?

 

[Junkhead]

Has Joe admitted he was wrong on this yet?

Being in my late 30's, I always respected what Joe Montana did in the NFL. I am too young to have seen him at ND though. That said, I don't give two smelly shiats about his opinion now. It's too bad Nate didn't make it here, but anyway. We don't need Joe Montana. If he wants to be the douchey outsider to his alma mater, so be it. Grow up or jump on board.

 

[Fbolt]

Joe is the man-both at ND and in the NFL.

Family first, and I have no problem with that at all.

If someone/an institution did what I perceived as screwing a family member, that person/inst. just made my list.

Tell me you would not do the same thing.

 

[stlnd01]

While Joe can harbor ill feelings about his sons lack of playing, I won't hold it against him. I would have to think he had thoughts of his son doing some of the things he did at ND so he could add to the ND lore.

I certainly don't envy either of his sons. That size of shoe is pretty hard to fill.
But it's far from fair to hold it against Kelly, or pick on Golson, because his kids weren't as good at football as he wishes they were.

 

[PJWhitfield]

It took coach Devine way too long to figure out that Joe Montana was the QB. That probably colors Joe's view of coaches. ... The stats comparisons are misguided. QBs didn't throw all those short sideways things in Joe's college days. ... But great as Joe was at QB, I'd go with Johnny Unitas as the best I ever saw.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Being in my late 30's, I always respected what Joe Montana did in the NFL. I am too young to have seen him at ND though. That said, I don't give two smelly shiats about his opinion now. It's too bad Nate didn't make it here, but anyway. We don't need Joe Montana. If he wants to be the douchey outsider to his alma mater, so be it. Grow up or jump on board.

Bad form calling a Notre Dame legend names. What was so earth shattering about his remarks anyway? He levelled a criticism at Kelly regarding yanking qbs too quickly...Hell we have read 100 similar comments on this board. He shows that he hasn't really watched Golson and assumes because he can run he is Denard Robinson's clone, so he hadn't watched the Blue & Gold games lately, he spouted off about something he is ignorant about. If he isn't Joe Montana nobody ever knows about it.

I doubt he all that mad at kelly about Nate...Kelly gave Nate more of a shot than anyone ever expected AND a scholarship.

But calling Montana a "douchey outsider" is uncalled for. A simple "Joe is wrong" would suffice.

 

[BGIF]

It took coach Devine way too long to figure out that Joe Montana was the QB. That probably colors Joe's view of coaches. ... The stats comparisons are misguided. QBs didn't throw all those short sideways things in Joe's college days. ... But great as Joe was at QB, I'd go with Johnny Unitas as the best I ever saw.

It took Devine too long? Montana was the problem.

It wasn't until Joe was out of college and working for Walsh that he realized he couldn't just show up. He had to practice. He had to work. And he had to play a complete game not just the 4th quarter.

Joe had some great 5 for 6 or 6 for 8 completions in 4th quarter drive heroics to pull out wins. But considering he's a life time 52% passer figure out just how bad he was in the first 3 quarters. Check Joe's game stats. He was a roller coaster ride in college, up or down, hot or stone cold, but not much in between. He was better coming off the bench to bail out Lisch that he was as a starter.

Montana didn't find consistency until the NFL. Devine was a very good coach wherever he coached. He didn't suddenly become stupid with the #7 QB on the depth chart that practiced poorly.

35 years later Joe is still blaming the coach for a Montana under performing.

BTW, Frank Leahy wouldn't offer a scholarhip to a skinny 145 pound high school QB named Unitas in 1951. Few wanted him in the NFL either until Weeb Eubank picked up while he was playing semipro ball.

 

[Junkhead]

Bad form calling a Notre Dame legend names. What was so earth shattering about his remarks anyway? He levelled a criticism at Kelly regarding yanking qbs too quickly...Hell we have read 100 similar comments on this board. He shows that he hasn't really watched Golson and assumes because he can run he is Denard Robinson's clone, so he hadn't watched the Blue & Gold games lately, he spouted off about something he is ignorant about. If he isn't Joe Montana nobody ever knows about it.

I doubt he all that mad at kelly about Nate...Kelly gave Nate more of a shot than anyone ever expected AND a scholarship.

But calling Montana a "douchey outsider" is uncalled for. A simple "Joe is wrong" would suffice.

I get your point. At the same time, if he wants to stand outside and take shots at Kelly/Golson, who needs him? He can keep his opinion to himself.

 

[Fbolt]

ND Nation needs him. He's done more for the school than I have-and I'm guessing you as well...? No, maybe I'm incorrect.

NOT directed at you JH: Internet is a great thing-peck away and cr@p on everyone who disagrees with your opinion. This board has been cr@pping too much lately. Let's bring back the positive waves! ND is in the NCG!!

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[Bogtrotter07]

I understand. Guys like Floyd are hard to replace when upperclassmen are weak. However, Kelly-like Ara and Holtz- has had time to evaluate his personnel and utilize his recruiting classes to anticipate the replacement of weaker upperclass players with younger talent.

Ara inherited and lost Jack Snow and Heisiman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964. In his 3rd year he replaced them with sophomores Hanratty and Seymour who beat out weaker upperclassmen.

Lou inherited Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown, 3-year starter (and 17 year NFL career) QB Steve Beurlein and NFL pick TE Joel Williams. In his 3rd year he replaced them with Freshman Rocket, Jr Tony Rice, Freshman Derek Brown and sophomores Ricky Watters and Tony Brooks.

Kelly inherited first round draft pick Floyd, 2nd round pick Rudolph and talented players Eifert, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick. In his 3rd year, he's now got a chance to show that he recognized his upperclass weaknesses and has recruited young, ready to play players to compensate, along with (if necessary) tweaking his scheme to fit his talent.

We'll see soon if that's the case.

So what do you guys think?

 

[BGIF]

I understand. Guys like Floyd are hard to replace when upperclassmen are weak. However, Kelly-like Ara and Holtz- has had time to evaluate his personnel and utilize his recruiting classes to anticipate the replacement of weaker upperclass players with younger talent.

Ara inherited and lost Jack Snow and Heisiman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964. In his 3rd year he replaced them with sophomores Hanratty and Seymour who beat out weaker upperclassmen.

Lou inherited Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown, 3-year starter (and 17 year NFL career) QB Steve Beurlein and NFL pick TE Joel Williams. In his 3rd year he replaced them with Freshman Rocket, Jr Tony Rice, Freshman Derek Brown and sophomores Ricky Watters and Tony Brooks.

Kelly inherited first round draft pick Floyd, 2nd round pick Rudolph and talented players Eifert, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick. In his 3rd year, he's now got a chance to show that he recognized his upperclass weaknesses and has recruited young, ready to play players to compensate, along with (if necessary) tweaking his scheme to fit his talent.

We'll see soon if that's the case.

So what do you guys think?

Kelly inherited the record setting Ruffer and the much injured record setting Tausch and he added the record setting Brindza. He inherited KLM and the no coach commit Nix and complemented them with Tuitt. He inherited Gray and Blanton and added AND converted Russell and Jackson. He inherited Eifert and he brought in Niklas and converted him. Floyd in gone but Davaris has shown much more than promise. He's delivered. Kelly inherited Crist, Rees, et al. After he nstalled a new offensive system, he replaced the 5 star with a lesser talent that has what, 15 wins under his belt as a starter. When a more talented QB was ready to step in Kelly handled the transition like a symphony conductor creating harmony. The new guy has 11 wins as a starter both QBs work like the right and left hands - together. Kelly only inherited one member of the coaching staff and he changed his coaching position and that new coaching staff was won 28 games at a .734 rate. There's harmony on the team at all levels.

I think his performance speaks for itself.

 

[Junkhead]

ND Nation needs him. He's done more for the school than I have-and I'm guessing you as well...? No, maybe I'm incorrect.

NOT directed at you JH: Internet is a great thing-peck away and cr@p on everyone who disagrees with your opinion. This board has been cr@pping too much lately. Let's bring back the positive waves! ND is in the NCG!!

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Maybe I was too hard on old Joe. His comments come off as sour grapes, but I'm not worried about it either way. Like you said, bring on the NCG!

 

[rikkitikki08]

Joe Montana can think what ever he wants. If he feels the BK is wrong for the job the proof is in the pudding right now in how wrong he was in making that statment. But like i said he can think what ever he wants.....im sure not going to lose sleep over it

 

[Irish#1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patulski
I understand. Guys like Floyd are hard to replace when upperclassmen are weak. However, Kelly-like Ara and Holtz- has had time to evaluate his personnel and utilize his recruiting classes to anticipate the replacement of weaker upperclass players with younger talent.

Ara inherited and lost Jack Snow and Heisiman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964. In his 3rd year he replaced them with sophomores Hanratty and Seymour who beat out weaker upperclassmen.

Lou inherited Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown, 3-year starter (and 17 year NFL career) QB Steve Beurlein and NFL pick TE Joel Williams. In his 3rd year he replaced them with Freshman Rocket, Jr Tony Rice, Freshman Derek Brown and sophomores Ricky Watters and Tony Brooks.

Kelly inherited first round draft pick Floyd, 2nd round pick Rudolph and talented players Eifert, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick. In his 3rd year, he's now got a chance to show that he recognized his upperclass weaknesses and has recruited young, ready to play players to compensate, along with (if necessary) tweaking his scheme to fit his talent.

We'll see soon if that's the case.

So what do you guys think?

Ara did inherit Huarte, but Huarte was the third string QB when he got him and was close to quitting the team. Ara recognized his talent and made him the starter quickly. At that time Huarte still wasn't quite sure of himself, but Ara brought out the best in him. Sound familiar? I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are so many similarities between Ara and his teams and this years team it's uncanny. That's why I keep saying this team has the "it" factor. I feel very good about where we are and where we are going.