Who is Likely Next (2013)

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kuehnja said:
Pure opinion, but I bet the staff not wanting Mattingly anymore has more to do with this than Mattingly wanting to go elsewhere. You don't commit to an academicly superior school, have them go to the National Championship game, then think 'maybe I chose the wrong place to play.
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ThePiombino said:
could be right there
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could be wrong....
There are a dozen reasons this could happen. Good and bad. He could be afraid of the competition, could want to stay closer to home, etc.. I'm not worried. If he isn't a fit, he isn't a fit. We're number one, we have a top 5 class, and other studs are now creeping out of the dark and into the ND light. No hard feelings. He's the 3rd or 4th best OLB in this class. We'll be fine. The only thing I'll miss is his flexiblity to move to TE.
 
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Interesting that they think we bring back both Fox and Calabrese for fifth years.
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They said that's the case only if there's not a player left that's too good to pass up. Considering the players were still in play for, that's very unlikely. Both will not be back, imo.
 
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kuehnja said:
They said that's the case only if there's not a player left that's too good to pass up. Considering the players were still in play for, that's very unlikely. Both will not be back, imo.
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I think that all depends on how they feel about the guys behind them right now. IMO, with Manti gone, I would think you would want as much leadershiip and experience as possible. As we have seen this year and last year, experience is something not easily replaced.
 
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Ndaccountant said:
I think that all depends on how they feel about the guys behind them right now. IMO, with Manti gone, I would think you would want as much leadershiip and experience as possible. As we have seen this year and last year, experience is something not easily replaced.
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I don't want to start a debate, but my opinion is 4 years of an elite talent vs. one year of Calabrese/Fox? Give me 4 years of elite talent all day.
 
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kuehnja said:
They said that's the case only if there's not a player left that's too good to pass up. Considering the players were still in play for, that's very unlikely. Both will not be back, imo.
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Well, Mike Frank said it's possible that we might cut loose one of Calabrese and Fox but "I don't anticipate that " UNLESS we get a player that's just too good to pass up. Kuehnja may be right, we may indeed get a commitment from a player who is too good to pass up, but I just wanted to clarify for the record that based on his phrasing Mike Frank does think it's most likely that Calabrese and Fox will both be back.
 
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Well, Mike Frank said "I don't anticipate" that ND will cut loose either Calabrese or Fox UNLESS we get a player that's just too good to pass up. Kuehnja may be right but I just wanted to clarify for the record that Mike Frank does think it's most likely that Calabrese and Fox will both be back.
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We're VERY in the mix with a number of players who are 'too good to pass up' though. IMO, very unliked both are back.
 
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It's all gonna depend on how we close, top of the board Redfield and AQM. After that its anybody's guess, but I do agree with Kuenja on the 4 year vs 1 arguement depending on the prospect. Should be a fun 2 months!
 
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yankeeND said:
It's all gonna depend on how we close, top of the board Redfield and AQM. After that its anybody's guess, but I do agree with Kuenja on the 4 year vs 1 arguement depending on the prospect. Should be a fun 2 months!
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You would also have to consider if both would be starting as well since Grace is the primary back up for Teo and apparently is a werewolf. There seems to be a lot to figure before any decisions can be made about bringing them back because I have a hard time seeing them turn away a good recruit for a 5th year non starter.
 
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Ndaccountant said:
I think that all depends on how they feel about the guys behind them right now. IMO, with Manti gone, I would think you would want as much leadershiip and experience as possible. As we have seen this year and last year, experience is something not easily replaced.
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Reps, I agree

kuehnja said:
I don't want to start a debate, but my opinion is 4 years of an elite talent vs. one year of Calabrese/Fox? Give me 4 years of elite talent all day.
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ND doesn't lose 4 years of elite talent because Fox and Calabrese come back. It simply delays that talent getting on campus by 1 year.
 
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kuehnja said:
I don't want to start a debate, but my opinion is 4 years of an elite talent vs. one year of Calabrese/Fox? Give me 4 years of elite talent all day.
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On the other hand, as our pal Lane Kiffin noted, the thing that makes this team (i'll go out on a limb and say particularly this defense) so special is the senior leadership. If i'm BK (and i'm not), i'm going to try to keep as much of that specialness for as long as possible, starter or not, and hope that it can trickle down through the program for years to come. Call it the Teo effect. If any of that is the case, it would come down to how much of a leader, how special, can these guys be, even from the sideline.

I think we all want to see as many hot shot recruits as possible, but I really enjoy the magic of this team and want that to continue.

edit: i see Me2 beat me to the punch here, reps
 
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To be honest both sides can make strong arguments on this and either way I'm ok with whatever they decide to do. Fox and Calabrese did a pretty damn good job this year too so it's not like it would be a bad thing if they did come back!
 
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Personal opinion, but I don't think we need both Calabrese and Fox. Neither are great players. Keep one, and we still have Rabassa, Kendall Moore, and Grace. That's 4, upperclassmen MLBs.
 
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We are OK at LB. Nix, Tuitt and Shembo bring a lot of experience to the front and as long as Grace and Moore are sure tacklers we should be fine. T'eo is the one to worry about replacing, not Fox and Calabrese. While I would consider trading both for one five star, I see a lot of value in keeping one of them to have more experience in the platoon.
 
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kuehnja said:
Absolutely. I think one of the Freshman LBs could have more of an impact than Calabrese as a 5th year.
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Agreed, Calabrese is simply a run stuffer, I think we have some people who could do that. I expect Grace to take over Teo's spot and then Moore could be the run stuffer that comes in and out with Fox.

Fox > Calabrese
 
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Hey, the thing about Danny and Carlo. It is not about individual talent or afterglow. It is about morale. You split 'em now and how do you tell them one stays and one goes? Remember the chances of Kelly voiding the middle of all starting experince is, um, zero. So, where do you draw the line and propperly illustrate you value and respet for those who have played their *** off for you?

Caveat: I remember the arguements from last year when it was leaked early; Kelly kept Goody.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Hey, the thing about Danny and Carlo. It is not about individual talent or afterglow. It is about morale. You split 'em now and how do you tell them one stays and one goes? Remember the chances of Kelly voiding the middle of all starting experince is, um, zero. So, where do you draw the line and propperly illustrate you value and respet for those who have played their *** off for you?

Caveat: I remember the arguements from last year when it was leaked early; Kelly kept Goody.
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Yep, excellent and oft-overlooked point. Carlo and Fox are both valuable contributors and core members of the team. How would the other players (and even coaches) react to callously throwing one away in favor of a freshman who has never done anything?

I don't think either will be cut loose. If they want to come back, they get to.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Hey, the thing about Danny and Carlo. It is not about individual talent or afterglow. It is about morale. You split 'em now and how do you tell them one stays and one goes? Remember the chances of Kelly voiding the middle of all starting experince is, um, zero. So, where do you draw the line and propperly illustrate you value and respet for those who have played their *** off for you?

Caveat: I remember the arguements from last year when it was leaked early; Kelly kept Goody.
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You played 4 years and received a degree, be thankful.

That would be my guess at what he tells Seniors not invited back.

The 5th year offer isn't automatic and many other players are leaving too, so Carlo shouldn't feel that bad.

edit: If Carlo is being replaced it isn't by a Freshman, it's by the Werewolf.
 
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jtrain said:
Have we stopped recruiting Mackenzie Alexander?
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Yes, we have stopped pursuing him ... although if he called up tomorrow and wanted to commit, most people think we would still take him. We just aren't initiating anything or making an effort to stay in touch.

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You played 4 years and received a degree, be thankful.

That would be my guess at what he tells Seniors not invited back.

The 5th year offer isn't automatic and many other players are leaving too, so Carlo shouldn't feel that bad.
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I am still curious whether anyone can name for me an important contributor who wanted to come back to play for Kelly and was not offered a 5th year. I don't have the knowledge or time to prove it, but I suspect, for reasons along the lines of what Bogs said, it has never happened.

Additionally, experienced depth is an issue at ILB next year ( see the Trey Johnson thread for excellent discussion of the issue by Whiskey). I think we really want both Calabrese and Fox back.
 
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