Manti Te'o for Heisman

[Jebediah Springfield]

Even if the Heisman was for D players, I have a hard time differentiating Kevin Minter or Jarvis Jones from Te'o.

Again, just the best LB on the #1 ranked team and leader of the #1 Defense

Fixed.

 

[mgriff]

Where did the asshats come from? It's one thing to come and talk football, but coming and picking fights and trolling at a sophomoric level is asinine. Ask the OU fans how we are on this board when you talk some solid football. Until then, roll on back to Texas and wank to Johnny Football.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wow, I take a nap and the latest addition to the SEC has already developed an attitude equal to its cohorts.

I think theres a Beach Boys song about this: "I wish they all could be Oklahoma fans"

 

[JughedJones]

I think theres a Beach Boys song about this: "I wish they all could be Oklahoma fans"

I'm wondering how I was the guy telling these guys to suck it from the very first post.

I felt like I handled myself with wit and just enough 'fukyouness.'


Our Oklahoma detractors were absolute gentlemen. These guys are trolldicks.

 

[JughedJones]

Add: I did go to their (a+m) site, and tell them why I didn't think Johnny should get the Heisman... I guess you only get three posts over there when you're new.


Our visitors get to troll us however much they want.

 

[Grahambo]

They have yet to say why Johnny 'Football' is deserving of the award. I'm still looking to be blown away by their answers. What exactly has he done? He beat Alabama? That's cool. He crapped the bed against the good competition.

9/8 Florida L 20-17 23 30 173 76.7 28 0 0 125.1 17 60 3.5 16 1

10/20 LSU L 24-19 29 56 276 51.8 27 0 3 82.5 17 27 1.6 14 0

11/10 @Alabama W 29-24 24 31 253 77.4 42 2 0 167.3 18 92 5.1 32 0

To recap, against the only good competition he faced he goes:

76 - 117 65% 2 TD 3 INT
52 carries for 179 yards 3.44 AVG 1 TD

Seriously?? Those are Heisman numbers??

He throws for 453 against the worst Arkansas team in school history. He throws for 395 against LA Tech. Another 372 against Missouri.

Total defense by opponent:

Florida:#3 in Scoring Defense #4 in Total Defense

Southern Methodist: #65 in Scoring Defense #48 in Total Defense

South Carolina State: FCS

Arkansas: #76 in Scoring Defense #73 in Total Defense

Ole Miss: #61 in Scoring Defense #44 in Total Defense

LA Tech: #115 in Scoring Defense #124 in Total Defense

LSU: #8 in Scoring Defense #8 in Total Defense

Auburn: #70 in Scoring Defense #88 in Total Defense

Mississippi State: #33 in Scoring Defense #55 in Total Defense

Alabama: #1 in Scoring Defense #1 in Total Defense

Sam Houston State: FCS

Missouri: #69 in Scoring Defense #60 in Total Defense

A&M: 1-1 against Top 10...1-2 against Top 30

Somebody, please help me out.

 

[phork]

They have yet to say why Johnny 'Football' is deserving of the award. I'm still looking to be blown away by their answers. What exactly has he done? He beat Alabama? That's cool. He crapped the bed against the good competition.

He set an SEC record by a QB in total yardage? As a freshman? Beating the likes of Cam Newton and Tim Tebow (previous Heisman winners)? You cannot mention the award this year without Manziel. He set that record in arguably the best conference in the game.

 

[JughedJones]

And that's not including his (allegedly) racist/violent streak.

Sorry, but if that's not a part of the deal the whole frigging thing is a sham.

 

[JughedJones]

He set an SEC record by a QB in total yardage? As a freshman? Beating the likes of Cam Newton and Tim Tebow (previous Heisman winners)? You cannot mention the award this year without Manziel. He set that record in arguably the best conference in the game.

except when he **** the bed and was the reason they lost.

 

[Irish#1]

While I wouldn't be as blunt as ekinggill, the argument against Teo is pretty clear. This is pretty much what I have been reading from our end of the spectrum and why I wanted to come see if you guys have the same type of argument against Johnny. After what we have talked about it I think it would be fair to say that had Pitt kicked a field goal then Teo would no longer be in contention because he would no longer be "the best player on the best team" which is the main thing he has going for him.

Wins and losses still get too much consideration when determining the Heisman. Most any year, a player on a two loss team won't get any mention at all. I think JF is getting a break because A&M happened to beat Bama on the road.

What JF has accomplished this year is great, but look at how football has evolved in the last 10-12 years. It's all about offense and QB's putting up ridiculous numbers and every year they get bigger and bigger. I would be willing to bet that in the next 2-3 years JF's numbers for this year will be topped by someone else.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He set an SEC record by a QB in total yardage? As a freshman? Beating the likes of Cam Newton and Tim Tebow (previous Heisman winners)? You cannot mention the award this year without Manziel. He set that record in arguably the best conference in the game.

^^^^
This is probably what has sealed the deal for Manziel. Manti had an uphill battle to try to win the Heisman, but Manziel has had the buzz since the Alabama game. When he broke Cam Newton's record, I think it's probably game over. I think that will be enough for most Heisman voters to pick Manziel.

 

[Ag11]

They have yet to say why Johnny 'Football' is deserving of the award. I'm still looking to be blown away by their answers. What exactly has he done? He beat Alabama? That's cool. He crapped the bed against the good competition.

9/8 Florida L 20-17 23 30 173 76.7 28 0 0 125.1 17 60 3.5 16 1

10/20 LSU L 24-19 29 56 276 51.8 27 0 3 82.5 17 27 1.6 14 0

11/10 @Alabama W 29-24 24 31 253 77.4 42 2 0 167.3 18 92 5.1 32 0

To recap, against the only good competition he faced he goes:

76 - 117 65% 2 TD 3 INT
52 carries for 179 yards 3.44 AVG 1 TD

Seriously?? Those are Heisman numbers??

He throws for 453 against the worst Arkansas team in school history. He throws for 395 against LA Tech. Another 372 against Missouri.

Total defense by opponent:

Florida:#3 in Scoring Defense #4 in Total Defense

Southern Methodist: #65 in Scoring Defense #48 in Total Defense

South Carolina State: FCS

Arkansas: #76 in Scoring Defense #73 in Total Defense

Ole Miss: #61 in Scoring Defense #44 in Total Defense

LA Tech: #115 in Scoring Defense #124 in Total Defense

LSU: #8 in Scoring Defense #8 in Total Defense

Auburn: #70 in Scoring Defense #88 in Total Defense

Mississippi State: #33 in Scoring Defense #55 in Total Defense

Alabama: #1 in Scoring Defense #1 in Total Defense

Sam Houston State: FCS

Missouri: #69 in Scoring Defense #60 in Total Defense

A&M: 1-1 against Top 10...1-2 against Top 30

Somebody, please help me out.

Never fear I can help you out. He had statistically the best season ever for an SEC qb. Ever. He beat Cams record playing over two fewer games (1 because of championship game the other because Johnny has sat out at least 7 quarters of football this year).

Unlike Cam and Tebow or Klien or Bell Johnny is not that big and therefore is not a primary goal line weapon. In all our games but especially the LSU, Florida games when have scored TDs from inside the 5 through our RBs. Are you gonna punish Johnny for that? Everyone assumes that we are all air raid because of the stats but really we have stud RBs and we use them. Florida was the only game where we completely abandoned the run and were shut out of the second half. That was the very first game ever for our HC, OC, and QB against a top three defense.

We have already addressed the ints in the LSU game. Ask the LSU players about Johnny. Look up the video of Sam Montgomery. He straight up says Johnny alone altered the entire way the had to defend.

Overall when a player has a season that is statistically better than arguably two of the greatest college players (offensive) of all time, it would be silly not to include him into the conversation for Heisman, especially doing so in the SEC. Add in that Johnny is a human highlight reel and there ya go.


You can say FCS all you want to but really Johnny only played one FCS team. He was out by halftime by both. We never had a buy and had to play a schedule of 15 LaTech away, 6 LSU home, Auburn away, 15 MSU away, 1 Bama away. That's a pretty brutal stretch even if some of those teams were overrated. Please don't tell me that you think if we replaced South Carolina State with wake forest the result would have been different. If anything it would have allowed JF to stay in the game longer and get more stats.

In the past 8 games we have out scored our opponents 150+ to 0 on the 1st quarter. We are demolishing people. You say that's because of our schedule but we did it to Bama at Bama so maybe we just happen to be good.

When you have opposing defensive studs from rival schools campaigning for your heisman canidicy without being asked you know you have had a special year.

 

[JughedJones]

Wins and losses still get too much consideration when determining the Heisman. Most any year, a player on a two loss team won't get any mention at all. I think JF is getting a break because A&M happened to beat Bama on the road.

What JF has accomplished this year is great, but look at how football has evolved in the last 10-12 years. It's all about offense and QB's putting up ridiculous numbers and every year they get bigger and bigger. I would be willing to bet that in the next 2-3 years JF's numbers for this year will be topped by someone else.

We seriously need to stop referring to him as 'JF.'

Johnny Manziel. That's his name.

 

[JughedJones]

Never fear I can help you out. He had statistically the best season ever for an SEC qb. Ever. He beat Cams record playing over two fewer games (1 because of championship game the other because Johnny has sat out at least 7 quarters of football this year).

Unlike Cam and Tebow or Klien or Bell Johnny is not that big and therefore is not a primary goal line weapon. In all our games but especially the LSU, Florida games when have scored TDs from inside the 5 through our RBs. Are you gonna punish Johnny for that? Everyone assumes that we are all air raid because of the stats but really we have stud RBs and we use them. Florida was the only game where we completely abandoned the run and were shut out of the second half. That was the very first game ever for our HC, OC, and QB against a top three defense.

We have already addressed the ints in the LSU game. Ask the LSU players about Johnny. Look up the video of Sam Montgomery. He straight up says Johnny alone altered the entire way the had to defend.

Overall when a player has a season that is statistically better than arguably two of the greatest college players (offensive) of all time, it would be silly not to include him into the conversation for Heisman, especially doing so in the SEC. Add in that Johnny is a human highlight reel and there ya go.


You can say FCS all you want to but really Johnny only played one FCS team. He was out by halftime by both. We never had a buy and had to play a schedule of 15 LaTech away, 6 LSU home, Auburn away, 15 MSU away, 1 Bama away. That's a pretty brutal stretch even if some of those teams were overrated. Please don't tell me that you think if we replaced South Carolina State with wake forest the result would have been different. If anything it would have allowed JF to stay in the game longer and get more stats.

In the past 8 games we have out scored our opponents 150+ to 0 on the 1st quarter. We are demolishing people. You say that's because of our schedule but we did it to Bama at Bama so maybe we just happen to be good.

When you have opposing defensive studs from rival schools campaigning for your heisman canidicy without being asked you know you have had a special year.

How did he do in your 2 losses?

Yeah.. terribly. He was the reason you lost.

Maybe some other year, but you don't get a pass as a freshman when you're the reason your team loses two games.

And......

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He set an SEC record by a QB in total yardage? As a freshman? Beating the likes of Cam Newton and Tim Tebow (previous Heisman winners)? You cannot mention the award this year without Manziel. He set that record in arguably the best conference in the game.

My own perspective: Some of the people who came on here promoting JM were very negative about Manti. Some of the people from here who support Manti, were very negative about the former posters and JM.

I choose not to be quite so negative, or get down in the mud. That is where the Reggie Bush's and the Cam Newton's come from that are given the award, and that is where those that vote for them come from.

For me it is simple. I have read a good deal about A&M. The core of the program has an incredible sense of honor and committment. I have read about the coach. He is an amazing man. He has a brilliant football mind and seems to be a man of honor and high character. I say seems, because with college football coaches, you can never tell, (JoPa, Tressel, etc.) There is way to much power and money.

And I have read about the program; this program never missed a beat with coaching changes. It's tallent levels have consistently improved. Not many programs feature a better set of wideouts, (SC), better running backs, (GA ALA), and a better set of OT's, (no one). I mean these O-linemen give their quarteback all day. They have plenty of defensive tallent, too!

The point is, a whole lot of the success of a kid in this situation is determined by the machine around him. Just like Tate Forcier, at UM. The smart play is to wait to see how he does next year, because the fact of the matter is he has not raised the teams level of play this year, he has played to the teams level. Because of that stats surely don't matter! And because of that, someone else should receive the Heisman this year.

 

[JughedJones]

Let's just see if he can go another year without getting in a fight for defending racist friends.

Can we do that before we bestow the 'Johnny Football' moniker on someone?

Seems reasonable.

 

[Irish8248]

JM 3 Ints in three big games

Teo 4 Ints in three big games (Mich, Okla, USC)

JM 7 Ints all year -- Teo 7 Ints all year

.... did i mention one of these guys plays defense while the other plays offense?

 

[JughedJones]

JM 3 Ints in three big games

Teo 4 Ints in three big games (Mich, Okla, USC)

JM 7 Ints all year -- Teo 7 Ints all year

.... did i mention one of these guys plays defense while the other plays offense?

And one has proven himself as a stud on the highest level.

JM had a great season, no doubt.. but he let his team down in big situations. Manti has been around for a while.. 128 tackles last year, 133 tackles the year before... now he's the soul of an undefeated team. He's won us big games AND he's never got in a bar brawl in his freshman year.

If JM is so good, he'll have his chance... this is clearly Manti's year or the whole ****ing thing is a sham.

 

[HawaiianIrish]

Manziel is a helluva player but heisman he is not... SEC for all its worth is the spoiled brat in college football...
I mean really Aggie once the college football world THOUGHT that no SEC team would be in the NC that is when MANZIEL Heisman hype started.. smh

With that being said i really do wish u guys well.. My friends son has verbally commited to your school.

One last thing Aggie, Tell your SEC boys saddle up cause they about to get their okoles handed to them in Miami!!!!
GO IRISH GO MANTI

 

[Grahambo]

Never fear I can help you out. He had statistically the best season ever for an SEC qb. Ever. He beat Cams record playing over two fewer games (1 because of championship game the other because Johnny has sat out at least 7 quarters of football this year).

Unlike Cam and Tebow or Klien or Bell Johnny is not that big and therefore is not a primary goal line weapon. In all our games but especially the LSU, Florida games when have scored TDs from inside the 5 through our RBs. Are you gonna punish Johnny for that? Everyone assumes that we are all air raid because of the stats but really we have stud RBs and we use them. Florida was the only game where we completely abandoned the run and were shut out of the second half. That was the very first game ever for our HC, OC, and QB against a top three defense.

We have already addressed the ints in the LSU game. Ask the LSU players about Johnny. Look up the video of Sam Montgomery. He straight up says Johnny alone altered the entire way the had to defend.

Overall when a player has a season that is statistically better than arguably two of the greatest college players (offensive) of all time, it would be silly not to include him into the conversation for Heisman, especially doing so in the SEC. Add in that Johnny is a human highlight reel and there ya go.


You can say FCS all you want to but really Johnny only played one FCS team. He was out by halftime by both. We never had a buy and had to play a schedule of 15 LaTech away, 6 LSU home, Auburn away, 15 MSU away, 1 Bama away. That's a pretty brutal stretch even if some of those teams were overrated. Please don't tell me that you think if we replaced South Carolina State with wake forest the result would have been different. If anything it would have allowed JF to stay in the game longer and get more stats.

In the past 8 games we have out scored our opponents 150+ to 0 on the 1st quarter. We are demolishing people. You say that's because of our schedule but we did it to Bama at Bama so maybe we just happen to be good.

When you have opposing defensive studs from rival schools campaigning for your heisman canidicy without being asked you know you have had a special year.

I get that point but he did it against a weak schedule. Against the hardest teams on the schedule, it was very pedestrian. Look at his stats against 'Bama, LSU, and UF. Then look at the stats against the rest of the teams. Playing 'Bama, LSU, and UF is probably harder then any of the 3 I can put together on ND's schedule. I can think of Stanford, @OU, then probably Michigan, maybe USC but the schedule as a whole is not very tough.

Look at the games where he put his biggest numbers, it was against opponents probably equal to a Wake Forest and this is where it hurts Te'o; he is not an offensive player who can put up the type of numbers Manziel was able to.

As I said late last night, I will be more upset if Te'o loses the Bednarik/Nagurski because those are defensive awards; Heisman is nothing but an offensive award.

(Not that this helps but I was absolutely thrilled A&M took down 'Bama and being a former Marine, I like the values that A&M brings to the national scene. A&M is by far my favorite SEC team and do wish them the best. Always rooted for them against Texas/OU etc.)

 

[connor_in]

How about take Manziel away and add in a top ten draft pick senior QB. Its called 2011. It sucked.

We have lost to the number 3 and 6 team in the nation by an average of 4 points. Both times our kicker missed field goals that would have won it. Losses are losses but its not like we were out of our league.

I never really understand this type of argument from anyone...
1) one of those games you lost by 3...add a FG and its a tie, the other game lost by 5...add a FG and lose by two....neither of those is a win, and only one gets an OT matchup (BTW, our kicker missed FGs this year too, how many losses do we have?)
2) The other part of this is you are making the "ideal world argument" (if all other variables remain the same-remember from your science classes). If you get a "do over"/"what if" for your team, then why doesn't your opponent? If so, maybe the game ends with you down by 10 or 12 now because on their what if maybe they get another TD or stop one of yours...maybe they make a key interception/fumble recovery or don't commit one. Also, if their what if comes earlier in the game, maybe the entire gameplan changes based on entirely different situations. If a team is up, more conservative game calling...down, more risk enters into the game plan to get greater reward.

Basically the thing is you guys lost twice...KSU's QB was the favorite until he lost once. You guys lost those 2 games to two of your only three tough foes on the year. Johnny is a very good QB yes, but he is a system QB (don't argue it, see what your coach did at his previous stop) who ran up ungodly numbers on the worst D's on your schedule. In those tough games, he had more INTs than TDs. Also, he was arrested within the last 12 months. NOW...point out to me where HeisManti had those kind of bad games. Point out where he broke the law or had a bad character choices this year. He was considered one of the top LBs in the nation last year and came back...and got 7 INTs...not only second in the nation (while at the LB position I remind you)...but he never had ANY before this year...it called raising your game son. BTW...its hard to play stat monster when his and our D did such a good job stopping our opponents that they didn't run too many plays, thus limiting the chances to make stats...e.g. USC only ran slightly over 50 plays, of that Manti had at least 5 tackles, 1 INT, and 2 passes defensed for incompletions...so that accounts for in the ballpark of 15% of defensive stops...oh and by the way considering the O decides where they want to run/pass...do you think they really tried to go in Manti's direction?

anyway...my two cents...

 

[Ag11]

I never really understand this type of argument from anyone...
1) one of those games you lost by 3...add a FG and its a tie, the other game lost by 5...add a FG and lose by two....neither of those is a win, and only one gets an OT matchup (BTW, our kicker missed FGs this year too, how many losses do we have?)
2) The other part of this is you are making the "ideal world argument" (if all other variables remain the same-remember from your science classes). If you get a "do over"/"what if" for your team, then why doesn't your opponent? If so, maybe the game ends with you down by 10 or 12 now because on their what if maybe they get another TD or stop one of yours...maybe they make a key interception/fumble recovery or don't commit one. Also, if their what if comes earlier in the game, maybe the entire gameplan changes based on entirely different situations. If a team is up, more conservative game calling...down, more risk enters into the game plan to get greater reward.

Basically the thing is you guys lost twice...KSU's QB was the favorite until he lost once. You guys lost those 2 games to two of your only three tough foes on the year. Johnny is a very good QB yes, but he is a system QB (don't argue it, see what your coach did at his previous stop) who ran up ungodly numbers on the worst D's on your schedule. In those tough games, he had more INTs than TDs. Also, he was arrested within the last 12 months. NOW...point out to me where HeisManti had those kind of bad games. Point out where he broke the law or had a bad character choices this year. He was considered one of the top LBs in the nation last year and came back...and got 7 INTs...not only second in the nation (while at the LB position I remind you)...but he never had ANY before this year...it called raising your game son. BTW...its hard to play stat monster when his and our D did such a good job stopping our opponents that they didn't run too many plays, thus limiting the chances to make stats...e.g. USC only ran slightly over 50 plays, of that Manti had at least 5 tackles, 1 INT, and 2 passes defensed for incompletions...so that accounts for in the ballpark of 15% of defensive stops...oh and by the way considering the O decides where they want to run/pass...do you think they really tried to go in Manti's direction?

anyway...my two cents...

What if the kicker misses multiple FGs? How many points is that worth? What about xtra points? If he made half of his FGs against LSU, FL then we would be playing in the SEC championship for a spot at playing you guys in January. It really is that simple. He has made 13-22 kicks this year and has missed 6 extra points. I feel like its a legitimate gripe.

That being said a loss is a loss. System QB makes me lol. We have more rushing yards than passing yards. What system are you talking about? The balanced offensive juggernaut one?

Klien got picked three times and got killed by the worst defense in college football on a team that was 1-5 in conference play. I'm not even exaggerating. We lost to LSU and Florida by a margin of 4. You tell me which is worse.

Telling me Teo has 0 int last year does not make me more impressed with him this year. 7ints is impressive but the fact that he has never done it before could mean he elevated his game or it could mean that it is more of a crazy year where he has been the same player as years past (0 FF, very few sacks, average tackles for a solid MLB) but with more tip balls he has come down with.

ps calling someone "son" in general but especially on the Internet is kinda childish don't you think?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Ag11 is a loser.

Manziel played worse against better teams. A&M lost games because of his play. We won all our games because of Manti's play.

He had 133 tackles his sophomore year, that is not average. Talent was always there, this year he is always around the ball and controls the flow of our D.

 

[ekinggill_ftw]

They have yet to say why Johnny 'Football' is deserving of the award. I'm still looking to be blown away by their answers. What exactly has he done? He beat Alabama? That's cool. He crapped the bed against the good competition.

9/8 Florida L 20-17 23 30 173 76.7 28 0 0 125.1 17 60 3.5 16 1

10/20 LSU L 24-19 29 56 276 51.8 27 0 3 82.5 17 27 1.6 14 0

11/10 @Alabama W 29-24 24 31 253 77.4 42 2 0 167.3 18 92 5.1 32 0

To recap, against the only good competition he faced he goes:

76 - 117 65% 2 TD 3 INT
52 carries for 179 yards 3.44 AVG 1 TD

Seriously?? Those are Heisman numbers??

He throws for 453 against the worst Arkansas team in school history. He throws for 395 against LA Tech. Another 372 against Missouri.

Total defense by opponent:

Florida:#3 in Scoring Defense #4 in Total Defense

Southern Methodist: #65 in Scoring Defense #48 in Total Defense

South Carolina State: FCS

Arkansas: #76 in Scoring Defense #73 in Total Defense

Ole Miss: #61 in Scoring Defense #44 in Total Defense

LA Tech: #115 in Scoring Defense #124 in Total Defense

LSU: #8 in Scoring Defense #8 in Total Defense

Auburn: #70 in Scoring Defense #88 in Total Defense

Mississippi State: #33 in Scoring Defense #55 in Total Defense

Alabama: #1 in Scoring Defense #1 in Total Defense

Sam Houston State: FCS

Missouri: #69 in Scoring Defense #60 in Total Defense

A&M: 1-1 against Top 10...1-2 against Top 30

Somebody, please help me out.

I'm not sure if you watched the games. The kid came out and dominated Florida in the 1st half in his first collegiate game ever. We had some bad clock management at the end of the first half on Florida's 20 yard line (not even a FG). He didn't do anything terribly wrong in the 2nd half. Our defense couldn't keep points off the board and Florida got really stingy.

He was 23/30 173 yards vs Florida, 60 yards on the ground in his first game....ever against a top 5 team. He had no turnovers.


LSU was definitely the low point. We missed 2 FG and a PAT. We lost the game by 5 points with 4 meaningful turnovers (#5 was a scramble with 00 on the clock). Johnny really just made 1 bad INT that game. Mike Evans got hit in the chest with a perfectly placed ball and bobbled it up into the air for a INT; we were moving the ball really well that drive too. Another INT was the wrong route run by our WR. Ben Malena fumbled the ball again when we were moving the ball. So, excuses excuses I know...but we had our shot.


IMO, the real question is what has Manti done that is mind boggling? He has 7 int... nothing else.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

That being said a loss is a loss. System QB makes me lol. We have more rushing yards than passing yards. What system are you talking about? The balanced offensive juggernaut one?

Klien got picked three times and got killed by the worst defense in college football on a team that was 1-5 in conference play. I'm not even exaggerating. We lost to LSU and Florida by a margin of 4. You tell me which is worse.

Dude you run 85 plays a game which is good enough for third in the country. You know who is #1? Marshall. #2? La Tech. #4? Oregon. Do you know what this tells me? SYSTEM. Yes you are running more than Sumlin's previous offense, but so what? The offensive style is still the same, just has more QB reads.

“Coach Kingsbury is always talking about scoring 70,” Nwachukwu said Tuesday, “talking about scoring crazy numbers like 80.”

Sumlin and Kingsbury put up ridiculous numbers at Houston but were greeted with skepticism in coming to A&M for the Aggies’ first season in the SEC. That hasn’t bothered Sumlin a bit.

“If we didn’t think it could work, we wouldn’t run it,” Sumlin said of his rapid-paced spread offense. “People had the right. We’re the new guys. I don’t see that as derogatory. You’re always going to be skeptical of something that’s new or you don’t know about. We do have something to prove. We’re in the best league in the country.”

Also, read this: Manti, Manziel and The Heismandments

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

The real leaders on football teams take the blame when their team loses, if Manziel is really the leader on his football team he can account for two losses. Teo, has been consistently the leader of this football team for 4 years and has consistently gotten better every year. I wanna see Manziel do this for 3 more years consistently and then he can get the heisman, I'm not sold on Manziel, he is the Jeremy Linn of college football, a blip on the radar for 1 good game this season. I'll give him all the credit in the world for going and beating Bama at home, was a hell of a win for him and his team. But where was that when they played LSU, Florida? Are they that much better on defense than Alabama, No there not?


**Word of the day is: Consistant"

 

[connor_in]

What if the kicker misses multiple FGs? How many points is that worth? What about xtra points? If he made half of his FGs against LSU, FL then we would be playing in the SEC championship for a spot at playing you guys in January. It really is that simple. He has made 13-22 kicks this year and has missed 6 extra points. I feel like its a legitimate gripe. No, actually its not, not in this argument anyway. If your kicker stinks that is part of the game, part of your team. As I stated, we have missed kicks in games this year (I do believe even multiple in a game) and still no losses. I have followed this team and others with very weak kickers and you gameplan around them. If you can only hit from so many yards out then that is still on your team. PLUS this still does not address the what ifs of the team you were playing. IF you hit the FG, then, MAYBE they get a 102 yard KO return for TD. What if you guy interfered in the end zone instead of just breaking up a pass play. Other teams ball at the one. What if one more penalty flag flew against you for a hold (we all know there is a hold out there on probably every single play somewhere). If you get a what if, then so does everyone else

That being said a loss is a loss. System QB makes me lol. We have more rushing yards than passing yards. What system are you talking about? The balanced offensive juggernaut one?

Klien got picked three times and got killed by the worst defense in college football on a team that was 1-5 in conference play. I'm not even exaggerating. We lost to LSU and Florida by a margin of 4. You tell me which is worse.

Telling me Teo has 0 int last year does not make me more impressed with him this year. 7ints is impressive but the fact that he has never done it before could mean he elevated his game or it could mean that it is more of a crazy year where he has been the same player as years past (0 FF, very few sacks, average tackles for a solid MLB) but with more tip balls he has come down with. I take it you missed the part where I said he is second in the nation and if you follow football, you know that CBs and Safeties are more likely to get INTs than a LB. So, if he has 7 INTs and is second in the nation for INTs and he is a LB, it is a crazy year...a crazy good year because it is generally not done. I am glad to see you are impressed by a QB doing what a QB does, but not impressed when a LB does something most LBs don't. Gives me a bit more of an idea of your football knowledge.

ps calling someone "son" in general but especially on the Internet is kinda childish don't you think? Depends upon the usage. I used it because: I am going to guess that I am in the ball park of 20 years older than you based upon your posts...I am having to explain to you that Te'o is an extraordinary player when it is obvious even to our opponents he is...I have have visted TX on multiple occasions and other areas in the south east and found the term to be an oft used colloquialism.

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[ab2cmiller]

What if the kicker misses multiple FGs? How many points is that worth? What about xtra points? If he made half of his FGs against LSU, FL then we would be playing in the SEC championship for a spot at playing you guys in January. It really is that simple. He has made 13-22 kicks this year and has missed 6 extra points. I feel like its a legitimate gripe.

Ag,

I'm not anti-Manziel, I believe he's a very good player and is deserving of the Heisman. I just believe Manti is more deserving. The problem with Manti's candidacy is that his value is so far above the stats he has. The bad news is many voters will only look at stats.

However, in an effort to make your points you continue to stretch the truth.

The reason that you lost against Florida was not because of your kicker who was perfect that day. The reason you lost is because you couldn't move the ball the ENTIRE second half. 6 possessions in the second half and 5 of those were three and out. You would think that the "best" player in football could move the ball more then 49 yards in the second half when the team is needing a score to win.

The reason you lost to LSU was not because of your kicker who did miss an extra point and two field goals from 52 yards (can't bang on the kicker for that one) and a 33 yarder. No, the reason that you lost is that those two possessions that resulted in missed field goals, started at midfield and at LSU's 16 yard line. Two possessions with amazing field position, having an opportunity to take the lead, and the offense does absolutely nothing. You would think that the "best" player in football could've generated more then 16 yards of offense on those possessions to take advantage of the field position and win the game.

You may not have a very good field goal kicker, but he didn't lose those games, Manziel had more to do with losing those two games then your kicker.

 

[BeauBenken]

IMO, the real question is what has Manti done that is mind boggling? He has 7 int... nothing else.

He has transcended the sport.

Jackass.

 

[ThePiombino]

The real leaders on football teams take the blame when their team loses, if Manziel is really the leader on his football team he can account for two losses. Teo, has been consistently the leader of this football team for 4 years and has consistently gotten better every year. I wanna see Manziel do this for 3 more years consistently and then he can get the heisman, I'm not sold on Manziel, he is the Jeremy Linn of college football, a blip on the radar for 1 good game this season. I'll give him all the credit in the world for going and beating Bama at home, was a hell of a win for him and his team. But where was that when they played LSU, Florida? Are they that much better on defense than Alabama, No there not?


**Word of the day is: Consistant"

Ummmm, I think Manti should win the award, but are you serious here?