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Anyone else find it funny that my post... you know, the one that clearly destroys his BS about '77 with things called "facts"... is the only one that doesn't get a quoted reply?

#trollsohard

Need to nip this sh*t in the bud and start banning IPs. I have no tolerance for this crap right now.
 

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I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that split titles weren't that unusual in times past but, many 20 somethings don't understand that becuase they think football started when they were born and the rules have always been just like they are now.

It's a prevelant attitude among younger people who don't know much about college football history. I don't really hold it against them; I just try to educate them.
What about when 20-something IrishLax educated you back to whatever Rawl Tiiiiide board you came from? Are you going to answer his post or not?

Of course you do, Mr. Little i in Internet.
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You uneducated bastard... you do realize those words are interchangeable, don't you?


Ugh, somewhat I suppose. But, restrospectively is generally used when someone is meaning to express a look back at the past, a review of things, etc...

Retroactively is usually used when speaking of kind of applying something to the past when in modern times.
 

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Hey Boo Radley! Do you have a point? Because in retrospect all you have done is initiate inane discussion about the 100 national titles Alabama cultists claim and then sidetrack the discussion further by nit-picking word choice.
 

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Seriously, how f*cking stupid are you? Do they teach rational thinking in the South?

The reason was because of Notre Dame's body of work being more impressive... that's the same thing that would happen today if people were still voting on stuff... hence why Alabama is ranked ahead of Florida this year despite Florida playing a MUCH tougher SOS and having many better wins and also having a better loss. But Florida has struggled on offense recently and not had style points and Alabama has looked more impressive... so Alabama sits #2.

In 1977, Notre Dame beat USC 49-19... Alabama beat USC 21-20. In 1977, Notre Dame wouped the #1 undefeated team with the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell to close out the year... Alabama beat a 2 loss team... and they both won with comparable margin of victory. Nore Dame also owned wins over #7 Pittsburgh, #15 Clemson... Alabama had NO OTHER WINS OVER ANY RANKED TEAMS.

To point out one data point... a singular loss to Ole Miss... and ignore everything else is beyond ridiculous. It's certifiably stupid... or just really biased. Notre Dame was handily voted #1 and earned it by their far superior body of work over the course of the year.

Normally I wouldn't respond to someone who starts out a thread by using crude invective because I don't consider them to be honest or trustworthy people.

But, since you are now calling for an IP ban on me because I didn't respond, I guess that I will have to respond or be banned from the board.

Your story is intentionally false and you do no service to ND fans by filling them full of non-reality just to make a non-existent point on a message board. It isn't honest.

Alabama had a win over a, at the time, #1 ranked USC at their home stadium out in LA in 1977 on October 8th. That alone shows that you are being dishonest.

I'll continue.

Alabama beat an 18th ranked, at the time, LSU team and it wasn't even close. The score was 24-3 and we also beat them at their home in Red Stick.

I don't know why I am doing this for you, as you have been very dishonest and downright mean. I guess I'm just doing it so you won't try to have me banned as you are threatening to do.

But hey, beating a number one ranked team, being ranked number 3 and having the two teams above you lose and killing a #8 Ohio State is clearly grounds for having a #5 Notre Dame jump from two spots behind you simply for beating another #1 team in their bowl game as Alabama had already done with a #1 USC earlier in the season.

Of course, let's not put too much emphasis on that loss to a totally crappy Ole Miss team. That was kind of pitiful.
 
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No, we were awarded a national championship by the UPI. You probably know it as the Coaches poll. It's not a People's National Championship; it's legit.

In 1973, who was a humble Alabama team to decline to accept one of the most prestigious NC trophies in the history of the sport? That would have been rude of us and quite arrogant.

I realize many believe that Alabama should have dictated to the UPI how they should have operated their poll and chastised them for even dare approach us with their beautiful trophy.

If Alabama were honest, they would have told the UPI presenters that one day, almost 5 decades later, there would be posters on the Internet who didn't agree with their methods and thought that football began in the year 2000 or so and they just couldn't accept it.

They should have told the UPI that one day in the future, there would be this conglomeration of colleges who joined something called the BCS and the BCS rules wouldn't be the same as they were in 1973 so, they could not in good spirit accept their award.

:) Y'all are funny.

I want to direct you back to your first post in this thread. This entire post is condescending as fvck. If you really wanted to come here and talk football then you could have done that. Instead you came in here and basically called everyone in this thread ignorant, bigoted, and uneducated. Then you say some patronizing bullshit like the bolded above. Come on man. I dare you to just apologize, agree to disagree, and talk football instead of being a clown.
 
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Sure, I suppose I was little off-put by the tone of the discussion concerning Alabama. I apologize for retaliating.

Cool. Let's talk football. ND is gonna beat SC and hopefully get Bama in the NCG.
 

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Normally I wouldn't respond to someone who starts out a thread by using crude invective because I don't consider them to be honest or trustworthy people.

But, since you are now calling for an IP ban on me because I didn't respond, I guess that I will have to respond or be banned from the board.

Your story is intentionally false and you do no service to ND fans by filling them full of non-reality just to make a non-existent point on a message board. It isn't honest.

Alabama had a win over a, at the time, #1 ranked USC at their home stadium out in LA in 1977 on October 8th. That alone shows that you are being dishonest.

I'll continue.

Alabama beat an 18th ranked, at the time, LSU team and it wasn't even close. The score was 24-3 and we also beat them at their home in Red Stick.

I don't know why I am doing this for you, as you have been very dishonest and downright mean. I guess I'm just doing it so you won't try to have me banned as you are threatening to do.

But hey, beating a number one ranked team, being ranked number 3 and having the two teams above you lose and killing a #8 Ohio State is clearly grounds for having a #5 Notre Dame jump from two spots behind you simply for beating another #1 team in their bowl game as Alabama had already done with a #1 USC earlier in the season.

Of course, let's not put too much emphasis on that loss to a totally crappy Ole Miss team. That was kind of pitiful.

Guys Do the research into what he says, I have... 1977 USC played Bama October 8th, Notre Dame didn't play no #1 USC that year we played #5 USC on October 22nd. Did he get off to a bad start yea, did we get aggressive right back at him, yea. Did we keep trying to retaliate back and forth back and forth. He isn't just pulling BS outta his ***. How dumb do we look calling for a IP ban on someone who comes in (let alone not a very good start on his part), but im sure he read all the stereotypical things that were said, got offended it happens. Anyway I'm rambling He came in knowing what he is talking about. what he brought was facts and we want to argue.. you can't argue with facts. You can make opinions and points but facts are facts. Lets all be civil and get a clean slate on this.
 
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I mean C'mon we go to the level of making up stats? To do what prove a point? I understand man ya love ND you defend her, defend her with facts though.
 

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I mean C'mon we go to the level of making up stats? To do what prove a point? I understand man ya love ND you defend her, defend her with facts though.

I'd be careful calling out well respected, intelligent posters on here

"Dubb"
 

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I'd be careful calling out well respected, intelligent posters on here

"Dubb"

Hey well respected is fine. Look into 1977 USC football, what Lax posted was incorrect. I said nothing of his intelligence.
 

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Hey well respected is fine. Look into 1977 USC football, what Lax posted was incorrect. I said nothing of his intelligence.



You need to read what Lax posted again homeboy.

Seriously, if you're gonna call out one of IE's vets whilst in a debate with an outsider, you better make sure you got it right.

Not a good way to start your time here.

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Hey well respected is fine. Look into 1977 USC football, what Lax posted was incorrect. I said nothing of his intelligence.

What did Lax post as incorrect, besides Alabama not beating any other ranked opponents in '77 besides USC (Leaving out LSU). Notre Dame still had the more impressive body of work for that season...
 

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You need to read what Lax posted again homeboy.

Seriously, if you're gonna call out one of IE's vets whilst in a debate with an outsider, you better make sure you got it right.

Not a good way to start your time here.

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Everyone threatens other posters when they are contradicted here. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Lax also posted this:

In 1977, Notre Dame wouped the #1 undefeated team with the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell to close out the year...

This is also incorrect. I don't know if he just didn't know or was purposely misrepresenting what happened. Earl Campbell didn't even play in the game, not one snap. Neither did Johnny Jones.

But, all of you rag on me for not answering his post and when I do, and point out several incorrect things in the post, the ones previously touting his post as "da bomb dropping" suddenly start issuing out dark and sinister e-threats.
 

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You need to read what Lax posted again homeboy.

Seriously, if you're gonna call out one of IE's vets whilst in a debate with an outsider, you better make sure you got it right.

Not a good way to start your time here.

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Well this is quite a predicament, I completely miss read it, My sincerest of apologies, I mistakenly took him saying the USC team we beat was #1. I was not taking sides simply pointing out what I thought was a mistake. Indeed I am mistaken. I do not disagree our body of work was more impressive. To Lax I apologize for attempting to outwit one of the best. Everyone my apologies. I shall punish myself. Thank you JughedJones for pointing this out to me. I appreciate it and no not a great way to start at all.
 

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Everyone threatens other posters when they are contradicted here. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Lax also posted this:

In 1977, Notre Dame wouped the #1 undefeated team with the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell to close out the year...

This is also incorrect. I don't know if he just didn't know or was purposely misrepresenting what happened. Earl Campbell didn't even play in the game, not one snap. Neither did Johnny Jones.

But, all of you rag on me for not answering his post and when I do, and point out several incorrect things in the post, the ones previously touting his post as "da bomb dropping" suddenly start issuing out dark and sinister e-threats.



Listen douchenozzle.

Everything Lax said was correct. We did beat USC by a much bigger margin, we did end the year by beating Texas (and Earl Campbell was on that team,) and we did have more big time wins than Bama.

You somehow turned that around to imply that he said we beat USC when they were number 1, he never did.

Old boy up there got confused (following your trolly lead by the way) and I wanted to correct him from falling into your trap.

Go back to your holler, leave the big boys at the table.
 
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Speaking of Earl Campbell... crazy sick.
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I went to Tulane and we claim 0 National Titles. Although the 1973 Sugar Bowl was played at Tulane Stadium.
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Oooohhh good lord that hit was sick. One armed stiff arm/choke bomb. What team was that against?
 

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Listen douchenozzle.

Everything Lax said was correct. We did beat USC by a much bigger margin, we did end the year by beating Texas (and Earl Campbell was on that team,) and we did have more big time wins than Bama.

You somehow turned that around to imply that he said we beat USC when they were number 1, he never did.

Old boy up there got confused (following your trolly lead by the way) and I wanted to correct him from falling into your inbred trap.

Go back to your holler, leave the big boys at the table.

To listen to Lax and take his post how it was presented, Alabama didn't beat USC when they were #1 because he certainly never mentioned that specifically.

He also misrepresented Alabama not playing any other ranked teams when they did. But, he certainly didn't fail to mention the two other game ranked teams Notre Dame played, besides USC.

He also put the perception out that Notre Dame beat a Texas team led by an unstoppable Earl Campbell, when Campbell never even touched the field, when he stated this:

In 1977, Notre Dame wouped the #1 undefeated team with the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell to close out the year.

A better way to have stated this would have been like this:

In 1977, Notre Dame whooped the #1 undefeated team WITHOUT the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell or even Johnny Jones to close out the year.

The whole thread came off as a glossed over attempt to glorify one team and shame another while skipping over some facts, glossing over others, and completely not telling the truth about others, such as Alabama not beating any ranked teams other than USC, which he doesn't really mention as being ranked anyway.

I mean, hell, Alabama was a full two ranking spots above Notre Dame going into the bowl games. So, up until that point, everyone in America, including the voters, apparently, thought that Alabama was a significantly better team and had a better season statistically. Probably that complete catastrophe and bush league performance againt a 5-6 walking and talking dumpster fire Ole Miss didn't help too much.
 
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You might be confused bud. The Cotton Bowl happened on Jan. 2, 1978. Maybe your googling is off. Campbell, according to what I found, rushed for 118 yards.

This guy is officially trolling.

Notre Dame vs Texas (Jan 2, 1978)

I'm not too proud to admit a mistake. I read this:

For Texas, both Earl Campbell and Johnny Lam Jones were injured.

from here:

1977 college football season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and just assumed it meant they didn't play. My punishment for assuming something is to, well, you know the saying.
 

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Guys Do the research into what he says, I have... 1977 USC played Bama October 8th, Notre Dame didn't play no #1 USC that year we played #5 USC on October 22nd. Did he get off to a bad start yea, did we get aggressive right back at him, yea. Did we keep trying to retaliate back and forth back and forth. He isn't just pulling BS outta his ***. How dumb do we look calling for a IP ban on someone who comes in (let alone not a very good start on his part), but im sure he read all the stereotypical things that were said, got offended it happens. Anyway I'm rambling He came in knowing what he is talking about. what he brought was facts and we want to argue.. you can't argue with facts. You can make opinions and points but facts are facts. Lets all be civil and get a clean slate on this.

I don't have to do research. That season was one of many I've followed through the decades. I saw the games. I followed the weekly voting in the polls. I watched the bowl games. Notre Dame was rewarded by the voters for playing and beating soundly the toughest team in the land. Undefeated #1 ranked Texas scored 441 points that season but only 10 against The Irish. Heisman winner Early Campbell ran rough shod over defense all season. ND held him to 116 yds on 29 carries with NO SCORES. Campbell got his yardage between the 20s. He was stifled in the red zone. Meanwhile BOTH Heavens and Ferguson ran for over 100 yds. The game was over midway through the second quarter when ND took a 24-3 lead.

CtrlAltDel will tell you Bama beat up the 9th ranked Buckeyes. They did. What he didn't tell you was the Buckeyes didn't show up for the game. The Buckeyes were headed to the Rose Bowl until the last game of the season when Schembeckler stuck it to Hayes. The deflated Buckeyes though the Sugar Bowl was beneath them. There were grumbles when the bowl bids went out and during bowl week as reported by the media. The poll voters rewarded ND for throttling the best in the land while Bama beat a team that didn't want to be in New Orleans and played like it.

This poster is a troll pure and simple. Shame on you for buying into his crap. He should have been banned for his bald face lie about ND and MSU sitting on the ball in the second half of The Game of The Century. Both teams beat the snot out of each other for 60 minutes. There were mangled players on both sides. ND lost 3 All-Americans to injury but still shut out the 10th ranked Trojans the next week 51-0 with scrubs playing for the injured AA's. The voters were impressed not only that ND could field a team the next week but that they destroyed one of the best teams in the land using key backups with the national title on the line.

He should be banned for trolling the "No Mas No Mas" BS comment about ND not playing in bowl games after 1925. That was a decision made by the ND President for academic reasons not to duck competition as this troll would have you believe. Any serious sports fan who knows the history of college football is aware of that. This troll chose to misrepresent it and you buy his act as "fact". Shame on you!

CtrlAltDel tells you Bama got cheated out of the '66 Championship because the "Northern Media" wanted to punish The Tide for Segregation. He ignores that the Southern voters voted in a block for their regional team. ND which played opponents around the Nation got votes from around the Nation. A Bama player even wrote a book about how Bama was a "victim" in '66. "The Missing Ring"

Bama a "victim in '66, a "victim" in '73, a "victim" in the '75 Orange Bowl, let's face it, whenever they didn't win they were a "victim".

They're 1-5 All-Time against ND. Bear was 0-4.

One of the local stations here in Alabama runs old Bama games under the title of "The Greatest Games in Alabama History". I've probably seen the one Bama win in '86 about a dozen times over the years. ND was 5-6 that year but that's one of Bama's Greatest Games. I contacted the shows producer and suggested they show the '73 Sugar Bowl and '75 Orange Bowl "two of the greatest games in all of college football history". Even Bear Bryant acknowledged those two games as two of the best ever played. Despite the public recognition of those two bowls the producer told he didn't have a tape of those games. I offered him mine. After the pregnant pause, he responded, "we wouldn't show either of those games as we only show games Alabama actually won".

CtrlAltDel wants to perpetuate the myths that Alabama got screwed multiple times by ND's co-conspirators, the media, and that ND ducked competition (No Mas, No Mas).

He's a disingenuous troll.

There actually was a situation where somebody did cry "No Mas, No Mas" in the history of Alabama/ND games. But it wasn't whinned by ND.

Both schools had a home and home series scheduled for the middle of the last decade (yeah they waited under after Holtz was gone to put it together.) But after the NCAA sanctions came down for the illegal recruitment of Albert Means, Bama AD Mal Moore immediately contacted ND about backing out of the series due to "loss of scholarships". Moore was concerned that UA wouldn't be able to man up with ND. ND accepted UA's withdrawal with no cancellation penalty. For those that don't know (or don't want to know) Mal Moore was a former ND assistant football coach under Lou Holtz.

Moore wasn't the first Bama man with ND ties. CtrlAltDel likes to harp on Bama's Rose Bowl days but he neglected to note that Bama's Head Coach Frank Thomas was an ND Man. Played for Rockne and roomed with Gipp. Thomas is considered UA's second greatest coach after Bryant who played for and was mentored by Thomas. Notre Dame had a hand in putting UA on the football map.
 

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You might be confused bud. The Cotton Bowl happened on Jan. 2, 1978. Maybe your googling is off. Campbell, according to what I found, rushed for 118 yards.

This guy is officially trolling.

Notre Dame vs Texas (Jan 2, 1978)

Sunuva...I was just about to mention this. I just spent 15 minutes updating and rebooting my computer so it could read the Cotton Bowl PDF for the 1977 season :laugh:
 

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To listen to Lax and take his post how it was presented, Alabama didn't beat USC when they were #1 because he certainly never mentioned that specifically.

He also misrepresented Alabama not playing any other ranked teams when they did. But, he certainly didn't fail to mention the two other game ranked teams Notre Dame played, besides USC.

He also put the perception out that Notre Dame beat a Texas team led by an unstoppable Earl Campbell, when Campbell never even touched the field, when he stated this:

In 1977, Notre Dame wouped the #1 undefeated team with the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell to close out the year.

A better way to have stated this would have been like this:

In 1977, Notre Dame whooped the #1 undefeated team WITHOUT the Heisman trophy winner Earl Campbell or even Johnny Jones to close out the year.

The whole thread came off as a glossed over attempt to glorify one team and shame another while skipping over some facts, glossing over others, and completely not telling the truth about others, such as Alabama not beating any ranked teams other than USC, which he doesn't really mention as being ranked anyway.

I mean, hell, Alabama was a full two ranking spots above Notre Dame going into the bowl games. So, up until that point, everyone in America, including the voters, apparently, thought that Alabama was a significantly better team and had a better season statistically. Probably that complete catastrophe and bush league performance againt a 5-6 walking and talking dumpster fire Ole Miss didn't help too much.

You're just wrong. Earl Campbell played the Irish January 2, 1978. He accumulated 116 yards on 29 carries. His longest run was just 18 yards. He left the game in the 3rd quarter with a "bruised ankle". That year Campbell had scored more points (119) than the Texas defense allowed (114).

The AP and UPI both placed the Irish #1 along with the National Football Foundation and the Football Writers Association of America.
 
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I mean, hell, Alabama was a full two ranking spots above Notre Dame going into the bowl games. So, up until that point, everyone in America, including the voters, apparently, thought that Alabama was a significantly better team and had a better season statistically. Probably that complete catastrophe and bush league performance againt a 5-6 walking and talking dumpster fire Ole Miss didn't help too much.

Yeah, Notre Dame lost to a 5-6 Ole Miss team. I'll give credit to them, it was an upset that no one saw coming. They did make a great strategic move to change the game time from a night game to a day game, and it paid off for them. The heat/humidity was horrible, Notre Dame couldn't handle it. Players were puking and gasping for air, "wilting" as the game went on. Mother Nature beat the Irish more than Ole Miss, they just weren't conditioned to play in that kind of weather.
 
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