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I've never associated with or known any ND fans, even online. I can say that, as a new poster to this board who really had no preconceptions one way or the other about ND fans, many of you seem angry and kind of arrogant.

I come here as a fan of a team who will potentionally be facing a team that all of you support. So far, I've been cursed at about 3 or 4 times, read every stereotype in the book about 'dem dumb Southerners in various threads, etc...

It's bizarre. Football fans are supposed to enjoy football and have fun supporting a team, not be bitter and angry and snide to anyone that may just try to talk to you.

I haven't read anything about the Civil War yet but, I'm sure that will be next. I went to a Michigan Scout board at the beginning of the season and, I'm not joking, it seems like every other poster on their board would bring up the Civil War when talking to a Bama fan. It was so weird. I mean, they really live in the past.

If you want to discuss football respectfully you will be welcome here. If you want to troll (as you apparently do) the posters will let you know what they think of you.

Quit pretending you are being repressed. You came on to a Notre Dame board and started spouting your pro-Tide propaganda and surprise, surprise, some of the Notre Dame fans were not polite enough for you. If I were to walk into a bar anywhere in Alabama and rationally and politely express the opinion that SEC schools employ many immoral practises to win football games and were to cite examples (academic standards, recruiting violations, grey shirting, over recruiting, etc.) I would most likely end up defending myself from a physical assault. You could do the same thing in any South Bend bar and while some drunk would likely curse you out, you would not be attacked. I have been to both places and I think I know what I am talking about.

If you want to spout propaganda, expect retaliation. We are civilized, not neutered!
 

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Of course you do, Mr. Little i in Internet. Hey, let's be serious, it's not like you need a reason. Many Northerner's have provincial attitudes about citizens of the South.

When you call Philly "Mr. Little i in Internet" is that like me calling you Mr. apostrophe in Northerners?
 

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I love the irony of a fan of Alabama preaching to other fan bases (ANY other fan base, in any sport really) about taking things too serious and how persepctive is needed.
 

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If you want to discuss football respectfully you will be welcome here. If you want to troll (as you apparently do) the posters will let you know what they think of you.

Quit pretending you are being repressed. You came on to a Notre Dame board and started spouting your pro-Tide propaganda and surprise, surprise, some of the Notre Dame fans were not polite enough for you. If I were to walk into a bar anywhere in Alabama and rationally and politely express the opinion that SEC schools employ many immoral practises to win football games and were to cite examples (academic standards, recruiting violations, grey shirting, over recruiting, etc.) I would most likely end up defending myself from a physical assault. You could do the same thing in any South Bend bar and while some drunk would likely curse you out, you would not be attacked. I have been to both places and I think I know what I am talking about.

If you want to spout propaganda, expect retaliation. We are civilized, not neutered!

I understand that many of you probably dont' hear from other fans of other teams and take any participation by someone who isn't a ND fan to be "intruding." But, I really haven't been negative of ND or their fans or their history.

I was just, and still am, talking football. Why so many are angry, cursing me, calling me a troll, etc... is bewildering.

Anyway, I guess I'll be banned pretty soon for some reason or another but, it was nice talking to some of y'all for a little bit.
 

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We have many of good contributors from other fan bases, SC, Michigan, MSU, etc. they keep it clean and so do we… but you hit a real sore spot with Bama and the whole title thing… if you have encountered ANY other fan bases that can’t be new… In my expereince very few things unify cfb fan bases more than laughing at Bama’s title claims. Other than that good luck with your nexxt two games.
 

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I understand that many of you probably dont' hear from other fans of other teams and take any participation by someone who isn't a ND fan to be "intruding." But, I really haven't been negative of ND or their fans or their history.

I was just, and still am, talking football. Why so many are angry, cursing me, calling me a troll, etc... is bewildering.

Anyway, I guess I'll be banned pretty soon for some reason or another but, it was nice talking to some of y'all for a little bit.

Actually, you could read through the OU threads; we had several wonderful posters who received warm welcomes and were even politely asked to stick around to chat about CFB. We get our fair share of trolls here so you have to understand the hesitation of the members when they see a fan of an opponent join the site. We get far more trolls than we do legit CFB fans wanting to talk shop. Please keep one thing in mind though... you're on OUR board and as a fan from another team you've got an uphill battle.
 

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I understand that many of you probably dont' hear from other fans of other teams and take any participation by someone who isn't a ND fan to be "intruding." But, I really haven't been negative of ND or their fans or their history.

I was just, and still am, talking football. Why so many are angry, cursing me, calling me a troll, etc... is bewildering.

Anyway, I guess I'll be banned pretty soon for some reason or another but, it was nice talking to some of y'all for a little bit.

Have you read anything anyone has written? Look at every single gameday thread on this board. Every single week, including this one, we have embraced rational discussion from opposing fanbases. I would go as far as saying that our relationships with Sooner fans is bordering on good friends. Those guys still post here and frankly, we would be disappointing if that wasn't the case.

It's you, homeboy... we don't like you personally... and it has little to do with who you root for.
 

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Alabama just claimed another national championship after CtrlAltDelete began his trolling.
 

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Have you read anything anyone has written? Look at every single gameday thread on this board. Every single week, including this one, we have embraced rational discussion from opposing fanbases. I would go as far as saying that our relationships with Sooner fans is bordering on good friends. Those guys still post here and frankly, we would be disappointing if that wasn't the case.

It's you, homeboy... we don't like you personally... and it has little to do with who you root for.

That's silly. I've done nothing to make anyone rationally looking at my participation here to dislike me personally. Perhaps it's just ingrained regional bigotry and bias directed towards anyone from the South, due to lack of education on your part, that makes some of you automatically dislike an Alabama fan for not other reason than that they are an Alabama fan.

I think you are just trolling me for some reason. It's like you have a personal hatred or dislike for me and I have absolutely no idea who you are.
 

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That's silly. I've done nothing to make anyone rationally looking at my participation here to dislike me personally. Perhaps it's just ingrained regional bigotry and bias directed towards anyone from the South, due to lack of education on your part, that makes some of you automatically dislike an Alabama fan for not other reason than that they are an Alabama fan.

I think you are just trolling me for some reason. It's like you have a personal hatred or dislike for me and I have absolutely no idea who you are.

Dude, we haven't attacked you for being from the south, in fact, people from the south have dogged you in this thread. Furthermore, you came here dogging us and making claims about more national titles and whatforth. Again, we have been cordial to other Bama fans, but you're a just an ahole.

Btw, many of us here were educated at Notre Dame... so I assure you, it was not due to lack of education on our part.
 

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Btw, many of us here were educated at Notre Dame... so I assure you, it was not due to lack of education on our part.

And Michigan ... I know, I know.

And that is primarily my problem with you, 'Bama fan. Nearly every response from you to our argument was "listen, I know you are uneducated on the subject, but..." That's nonsense. It's not a matter of intelligence. It is a matter of disagreement. Simply put, just because everyone on this board, and really a majority of CFB minds, disagrees with the amount of NC's 'Bama has claimed, does not mean that we are not smart.
 

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We have many of good contributors from other fan bases, SC, Michigan, MSU, etc. they keep it clean and so do we… but you hit a real sore spot with Bama and the whole title thing… if you have encountered ANY other fan bases that can’t be new… In my expereince very few things unify cfb fan bases more than laughing at Bama’s title claims. Other than that good luck with your nexxt two games.

No need to laugh at what you don't understand or have read about from people who have agendas.

Allow me to explain Alabama's NC's to you.

We will start with '25 and '26. Many, many, many teams claim NC's from this time period and Alabama doing it is nothing unusual, nothing out of the ordinary at all.

1.) 1925. The facts in the case for 1925 are that Alabama, at the time, was widely considered to be the champions of college football during that year to all the football going public alive at that time. If you were a football fan and followed football, the University of Alabama was the team to be envied this particular year.

'Bama (10-0) traveled out to sunny LA for their first of many Rose Bowls. They defeated a 10-0 Washington team.

Dartmouth, the team that was even halfway in the picture, was 8-0, didn't play a bowl game, and played 4 non-1a teams out of 8 opponents.

'Bama, if there was no such thing as a NC at that time, was certainly the best team in the country. This is the game that made 8,000 Northern sportswriters and West Coast fans commit suicide. Bama(10-0)

2.) 1926. This one is really easy. People were not stupid back in those days. They had just as much sense as modern day folk. They knew champions when they saw them. Let me lay it out for 'ya:

Stanford was 10-0-1 after the TIE in the Rose Bowl with 'Bama. Alabama was 9-0-1 after the TIE with Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Pretty close, right?

Wrong.

Stanford played 6 of what are now considered non-1A opponents out of a total of 10 reg. season games. How many non-1-A opponents did 'Bama face? One, yes, just one.

Therefore, Alabama was what we call, in our time, National Champions 2 years in a row.

3.) 1930 Another clear cut NC for 'Bama. 'Bama went 9-0 reg. season and then ventured out to sunny LA again, they got tired of seeing us, and stomped a hole clean through the chest cavities of a very strong 9-0, at the time, Washington State team. The final score = Champions 24, Wash. State 0.

Ouch, that one hurt the pride of lot's of folks out on the West Coast.

What did Notre Dame do? They went undefeated at 10-0 just like 'Bama but they stayed at home and said "no mas, no mas" we don't wants to play no bowl game.

Advantage = 'Bama. (Bama 10-0)

4.) 1934. A very strong Alabama team this year. Gritty and determined.

In 1934, Alabama surged through a regular season destruction, utter destruction of all opponents, and finished it all off with a face shattering pummeling of a very strong Stanford team whose record, at the time, stood at 9-0-1.

We shamed them and once again made everyone curse those stupid Southern boys who kept bursting apart cherished ideas about football supremacy on the West Coast and in the North.

The score was 29-13 in favor of who? That's right, 'Bama.

3 time Rose Bowl Champions by this time.

What did any team that was even close do? Minnesota went 8-0 and beat a bunch of 4 win teams and naturally, didn't play in a bowl game, no sir, not their style.

Chalk another one up for Alabama.(Bama 10-0)

And on we go:

1941. Not a NC. The year 1941 was put on the list to keep Alabama fans humble.

#5.) 1961. AP + UPI + just about everything and everyone else chose 'Bama. Enough said. 5 so far, many more to come. ('Bama 11-0)

#6.) 1964. The AP & UPI, the two big dogs, chose Alabama plus a couple of other selectors. To hell with Arkansas or anyone else. Sure, the AP gave out their trophy before bowl games; that is the way it was. Who is Alabama to tell the AP that what they were doing was wrong? They were just a humble football team doing it's best. ('Bama 10-1)

If the BCS decided to give out NC trophies before bowl games in 2013, I am sure whomever won it would take it. Let's get real everyone. Don't revise history. 50 years from now, BCS championships may be considered to be invalid, especially in light of the new bowl system that is soon beginning, that does not negate the fact that your team may have won a BCS championship. It is what it is. ('Bama 10-1)

#7.) 1965. #7. A great one. This particular trophy is very beautiful and well designed. For this one, I am going to give a link to a much more well thought out summary than I can come up with.

Here you go:

Anxious to avoid the uproar that followed its regular season final poll last year, AP waited until after New Year's to crown the 1965 national champion.

Good move. At the end of the regular season Michigan State, Arkansas and Nebraska were all 10–0, with Alabama at 8–-1-–1 (the Tide lost their opener to Georgia and tied Tennessee). The bowl match-ups had Arkansas playing LSU in the Cotton, Michigan State vs UCLA in the Rose, and Nebraska vs Alabama in the Orange. Each game followed the other on TV.

The three top-ranked teams all lost. Arkansas, denied the '64 national title it deserved, had its 22 –game winning streak snapped in Dallas. LSU took a 14–-7 lead in the second quarter then shut the Razorbacks out in the second half.

Michigan State, UPI's national champ, had opened the regular season with a 13-–3 win over UCLA. The Spartans hoped to close the year on the same note, but couldn't overcome the Bruins' 14-–0 halftime lead. The victory was UCLA's first Rose Bowl win ever.

So the Orange Bowl, in its second year at night, became the national championship game. Underdog Alabama built up a 24-–7 lead by halftime then held off a Nebraska comeback to win 39–-28.

Bama's Bear Bryant joined Minnesota's Bernie Bierman (1940–-41), Army's Red Blaik (1944-–45), Notre Dame's Frank Leahy (1946-–47) and Oklahoma's Bud Wilkinson (1955-–56) as the only coaches to win back-to-back national titles.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0746746.html

End of story. For 'Bama fans, it was a story book ending. ('Bama 9-1-1)

#8.) 1973. Love this one. 'Bama was undefeated at the end of the season and the UPI decided we were the best team in the country. It is a nice trophy too, kind of big. See, what many people don't understand is that at this time and during the preceding years, bowl games did not determine NC's, they weren't really important. Bowl games had validity in the early days, lost much of it later on, and since the BCS, they are back on the uptick.

Wait, wait, how can that be, you may say. That is just the way it was. Bowl games were meant to be consolation prizes, not determinants of who was the NC during this time period. That was already decided after the regular season.

Once again it comes down to modern man attempting to place his mindset and values and ideas about how things should have been done to times past. Guess what? It doesn't work that way.

'Bama shared this one with Notre Dame, the team that beat them in a fantastic and 6 or 7 lead changing Sugar Bowl game.

The rest of them aren't really worth going over because you should all be more familiar with them.
 
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Heard it all before... hope you enjoyed your time.
 

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I didn't read everything you wrote, but I have done a lot of analysis on this. I already explained the ridiculous rational that you have for the '73 title, and if you don't understand the how silly it is to claim a title over an undefeated team that beat you, then I really don't know what to say.

I have a complete breakdown of the Bama's fake titles that I will post later. I am on my work cpu, so I don't have it handy, but I assure you... if ND plays Bama for the title, you wont be able to miss it.
 

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I have enjoyed my time here, ACamp. Despite the insults and general dismissal of anything I have said, there were a couple of you that weren't rude.

Because everything that came out of your mouth was dumb. None of it backed up by fact nor logic. Furthermore, you spent an hour compiling a bunch of useless data that we already disproved.

Please... tell me again why you claim the '73 title over Notre Dame despite losing to us in a bowl game while we finished the season undefeated?
 

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I didn't read everything you wrote, but I have done a lot of analysis on this. I already explained the ridiculous rational that you have for the '73 title, and if you don't understand the how silly it is to claim a title over an undefeated team that beat you, then I really don't know what to say.

I have a complete breakdown of the Bama's fake titles that I will post later. I am on my work cpu, so I don't have it handy, but I assure you... if ND plays Bama for the title, you wont be able to miss it.

Of course, all Alabama fans have seen that bile. It was originally created by an Auburn fan and has spread over the Internet.

That is why I posted the breakdown of Alabama's NC's because I knew that was coming. Btw, there are also websites dedicated to disparaging ND's claimed national titles so, why go there?
 

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Because everything that came out of your mouth was dumb. None of it backed up by fact nor logic. Furthermore, you spent an hour compiling a bunch of useless data that we already disproved.

Please... tell me again why you claim the '73 title over Notre Dame despite losing to us in a bowl game while we finished the season undefeated?

Well, I've already stated it several times. The UPI awarded Alabama their national championship trophy. The had representatives in Tuscaloosa and presented it to Coach Bryant and his players.

You almost sound as if you belive the UPI, which many considered at the time to be more valid than the AP, is not even a real trophy.
 

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Of course, all Alabama fans have seen that bile. It was originally created by an Auburn fan and has spread over the Internet.

That is why I posted the breakdown of Alabama's NC's because I knew that was coming. Btw, there are also websites dedicated to disparaging ND's claimed national titles so, why go there?

Show me, because we only claim unanimous titles. We don't claim a single title that was given to us retrospectively. I am fully capable to prove all of our titles as legitimate. Furthermore, I have already completely dogged your '73 title and you have not a single d@mn word to say about it.

No Auburn fan is here telling you that you are a liar and a fabricator. We are all Notre Dame fans and the data that I present I am looking up from hard numbers. There isn't anything subjective about what I am presenting to you. Despite that, you continue to dig yourself into a hole.

Go back to your window licking Bama site where you are among your naive counterparts. Because here, you need to be educated in the game to keep up.
 

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Well, I've already stated it several times. The UPI awarded Alabama their national championship trophy. The had representatives in Tuscaloosa and presented it to Coach Bryant and his players.

You almost sound as if you belive the UPI, which many considered at the time to be more valid than the AP, is not even a real trophy.

The UPI was presented retrospectively and by no expert considered as better than the AP. You are pulling that completely out of your @ss.

But for the sake of argument... lets say that was the case... then why do you claim titles that the UPI does not give you?


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Well, I've already stated it several times. The UPI awarded Alabama their national championship trophy. The had representatives in Tuscaloosa and presented it to Coach Bryant and his players.

You almost sound as if you belive the UPI, which many considered at the time to be more valid than the AP, is not even a real trophy.

From a self proclaimed fan of cfb. To then turn around and claim that ND claimed no mas to a bowl game is laughable. Especially when he decided to leave out the fact that ND self imposed a 45 year bowl ban.
 

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Show me, because we only claim unanimous titles. We don't claim a single title that was given to us retrospectively. I am fully capable to prove all of our titles as legitimate. Furthermore, I have already completely dogged your '73 title and you have not a single d@mn word to say about it.

No Auburn fan is here telling you that you are a liar and a fabricator. We are all Notre Dame fans and the data that I present I am looking up from hard numbers. There isn't anything subjective about what I am presenting to you. Despite that, you continue to dig yourself into a hole.

Go back to your window licking Bama site where you are among your naive counterparts. Because here, you need to be educated in the game to keep up.

The list you will be providing when you get home is a list that was not created by you. It has been floating around for years and years and claims that Bama only has about 2 legit NC's. It's ridiculous.

As far as the website about Notre Dame in which many of their NC's are disputed, I won't post a link to that because it would be disrespectful and rude. I think many ND fans know which site I am talking about though.
 

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All you need to know about the UPI trophy (giggle) is that it's nothing but a joke for the simple fact that it was awarded to an Alabama team that was beaten by Notre Dame in a bowl. Nobody goes by how many UPI trophies you won, everyone in the modern college football world only counts AP champions from the 40s up to the BCS...except Michigan and Alabama.

It should also be mentioned that the UPI finally changed during the '74 season and voted after the bowls...after it had egg on it's face and voted Alabama #1 at the end of the regular season and they got beat by the Irish.
 
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Listen CtrlAltDel, you have brought zero intellegent discussion to this board thus far. Yes, you have defended the ludicrous Alabama claims of National Championships that nobody who isn't brainwashed by the Alabama football machine believes.

Do you have anything to say related to Alabama this year? Can you tell us why you think they are better than Notre Dame? Have you actually watched any Notre Dame football this season?

If all you want to do is defend your imaginary championships, people here are going to react negatively.

Next topic please!
 

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The UPI was presented retrospectively and by no expert considered as better than the AP. You are pulling that completely out of your @ss.

But for the sake of argument... lets say that was the case... then why do you claim titles that the UPI does not give you?


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To begin with, the word that you are wishing to use is retroactively, not retrospectively. Also, you have no idea what you are talking about. The UPI has NEVER been awarded retroactively, ever.

Secondly, if the UPI didn't award it, the AP probably did, other than '41. I don't know what '41 is about but, it clearly isn't a NC. I don't use that in NC stats about Alabama, even though the school claims it.

Now, before the AP or UPI, we are in pretty good standing. In fact, we are in just as good a standing for those titles as the ones that ND claims from that time period.

Let's examine the hypocrisy.

ND's 1924 season, which culminated in the 1925 Rose Bowl victory over Stanford, is claimed by ND and all Notre Dame fans and is not disputed at all.

Alabama's 1925 season, which culminated in the 1926 Rose Bowl victory over Washington, is claimed by Alabama and all Alabama fans, yet it is disputed by just about everyone and used to ridicule us for as grasping at any straw of a poll to claim a NC.

Notre Dame was 9-0 in 1924.

Alabama was 9-0 in 1925.

Both teams beat very good opponents and were widely recognized as Rose Bowl champions and believe it or not, even back then, as national champions.

Selectors, both active at the time and retroactive:

For Notre Dame and their '24 season:

1924

Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling

Pennsylvania: Parke Davis

For Alabama and their '25 season:

1925
Alabama: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling

Dartmouth: Dickinson, Parke Davis

Now, personally, do you imagine it to be fair to Alabama fans for them to catch so much flak for claiming a NC for the '25 season?
 

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The list you will be providing when you get home is a list that was not created by you. It has been floating around for years and years and claims that Bama only has about 2 legit NC's. It's ridiculous.

As far as the website about Notre Dame in which many of their NC's are disputed, I won't post a link to that because it would be disrespectful and rude. I think many ND fans know which site I am talking about though.

No d!ck, its made by me looking at who awarded the championships with a complete breakdown of each season.

Show me this website. Again, we claim unanimous championships. I don't understand how a rational personal could dispute a consensus championship.
 

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No d!ck, its made by me looking at who awarded the championships with a complete breakdown of each season.

Show me this website. Again, we claim unanimous championships. I don't understand how a rational personal could dispute a consensus championship.

I'll send you a link to the site. If you feel it's proper to list that link here on your board, you know that you certainly are free to do so. I have more respect for Notre Dame fans to do it, especially since I'm a visitor here.

Check your inbox.
 

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I have enjoyed my time here, ACamp. Despite the insults and general dismissal of anything I have said, there were a couple of you that weren't rude.

I'm sorry, did you say something?
 
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