U of MN WR really dislikes Jerry Kill
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Who'saWildManNow
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That letter is so long...
But, I expect to see things like this more frequently as social media keeps evolving.
Most coaching staffs are brutal and demanding.
But, I expect to see things like this more frequently as social media keeps evolving.
Most coaching staffs are brutal and demanding.
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Gotta say, he sounds like a very intelligent guy that was/thought he was abused for a significant amount of time. I wonder what his views are and why multiple coaches were so openly against them.
Has to be tough to leave the team at this point in your Jr season.
Has to be tough to leave the team at this point in your Jr season.
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I've lived in Minneapolis since 1979 (or 1978 – who knows, who cares) so I wish I could shed some light on the situation. I pay little to no attention to U of MN football.
My only real concern has been that ND would join the Big 10 and then possibly lose to Goldy.
I'd have to move.
My only real concern has been that ND would join the Big 10 and then possibly lose to Goldy.
I'd have to move.
I agree. Doesn't seem like he's just doing this for attention or to protect himself. Kid seems like he was genuinely mistreated by the staff.
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this wont be popular, but im ok with that. im not trying to debate anyone or anything like that; i am just offering up my opinion.
the kid sounds like a whiner and complainer to me. maybe the coaching staff was hard on him, and maybe even undeservingly so, but there is no reason to cry about it. social media has just given this kid an outlet. Life aint fair, suck it up and be part of the team, or move on. If you do move on, do just that, move on...there is no need for a letter like this to be public. Making this public makes the kid look vindictive and butthurt. If the coaches did something SO WRONG, then invlove the authorities. if not, suck it up, make your decision, and move on.
If this was a work situation, where the kid felt the same way and quit his job, would it be prudent for him to publicly blast his previous boss? hell no..grown people dont have time for that nonsense (you wouldnt get anywhere with it anyways)
just like the wazzu student who flamed Mike Leach...its a social media trend coming from a generation that didnt fail courses in school, and played sports where 'everyone plays'.
Life aint fair, suck it up.
the kid sounds like a whiner and complainer to me. maybe the coaching staff was hard on him, and maybe even undeservingly so, but there is no reason to cry about it. social media has just given this kid an outlet. Life aint fair, suck it up and be part of the team, or move on. If you do move on, do just that, move on...there is no need for a letter like this to be public. Making this public makes the kid look vindictive and butthurt. If the coaches did something SO WRONG, then invlove the authorities. if not, suck it up, make your decision, and move on.
If this was a work situation, where the kid felt the same way and quit his job, would it be prudent for him to publicly blast his previous boss? hell no..grown people dont have time for that nonsense (you wouldnt get anywhere with it anyways)
just like the wazzu student who flamed Mike Leach...its a social media trend coming from a generation that didnt fail courses in school, and played sports where 'everyone plays'.
Life aint fair, suck it up.
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I understand you were not looking for any type of debate, but something you wrote pointed out why I personally believe, if this kid WAS mistreated in the way he wrote, and that is a big IF after the whole James/Leech fiasco, then he was completely in the right.
The job analogy. If he was mistreated at the workplace, he would, as would any of us, be completely justified to quit.
Not only that, but if the abuse happened in the workplace that he is alleging (or something comparable in each line of work), then there are avenues that one can pursue that would lead to VERY severe penalties to the offending party.
But that isn't the case in college football. Let's face it. College Football is a business. This kid was basically an unpaid employee (no scholarship) with no recourse. It's funny, because we expect kids to know better when it comes to boosters and benefits, but we still expect them to accept being treated like cattle. I'm not saying the kid may not be a bit soft, but there is a line.
I've had some hard coaches in my past. I've hated some. But even through all the yelling, I still had the opinion that they respected me. I didn't need reverence, but I did want respect.
Sure, he could tell someone in the administration, but what's the reaction? The reaction I've read all over is that the kid needs to, "Suck it up" or "He's a spoiled brat". On other forums, they talk about how society has spoiled these kids. That it's an "entitlement" age. And I don't disagree. But on the same line of thinking, it isn't the 1960's anymore, and at some point, the COACHES also have to adjust their line of thinking, not just the kids.
In EVERY other walk of life, this type of treatment would leave to serious consequences to the offending party. But in college athletics, we look passed it. Why? I'm not sure. I think it's because ALL of us that follow it want to believe that with an oppertunity to play at that level, we'd make it through it. We want to huff out our chests and say how adversity "Made us stronger". Hell, maybe in this case it would have.
But, if my employer treated me like that? He'd have my notice on the desk the next day, and I'd let anyone know I could that I believed could help me fix the problem. Adversity be damned.
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Not saying I disagree with your entire statement, but the bold part seems like an unfair comparison to me. In no work situation (at least that I'm aware of) do the actions of your boss ever have a direct, negative, and potentially long-lasting effect on your physical health. Verbal abuse from football coaches at all levels is to be expected and dealt with internally, but in this day and age of hypersensitivity to the health of football players, anytime a player feels he was physically abused by a coach, that information needs to be made public and investigated.
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Hard to know what really happened here. But, I think that coaches get away with abuse a lot. Be tough on kids. Go after them. But, some of those quotes are just flat abuse.
after actually reading the whole rambling, meandering, fragmented "letter" the kid wrote (more like a book!)...my hunch is they are glad the kid is gone up there.
kid came off like a real pain in the *** to me.
im sure those coaches are no saints but the kid did himself no favors with this letter IMO.
kid came off like a real pain in the *** to me.
im sure those coaches are no saints but the kid did himself no favors with this letter IMO.
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I'm not going to say that the kid was not abused, he really may have been but I actually kind of agree with you. Some of the letter makes him seem like he has a sense of entitlement or he is a know it all. I don't like how he complains about only starting one game, that wasn't really necessary to prove he faced abuse, there are a bunch of good players who don't start because there is a senior or someone ahead of him or maybe they do something other than catch balls better than him. I don't like how he quotes his mom's friend and includes the part where she says he is the best player and then immediately says that he doesn't think he is. That to me makes me think he thinks he is the best player. He could include all of what she said if he would have paraphrased it, it just seems like he wants people to know there are people that think he is the best player. Also did he write the quote down as soon as he heard it from her or did he even ear it directly from her?
It seems like there may be red flags from both sides on this issue.
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if my boss in the workplace had me in some action that directly impacted my health in a negative way, I would go thru the proper channels to rectify that situation. If in the end, if I didnt get the result I wanted and had no more recourse, I can always move on and walk away and get a new job. But no where in that scenario would I posted a letter on the internet for all to read. I may send a letter to HR, which would be a private letter, but I sure wouldnt post my letter about my boss on the internet. it will solve absolutely nothing.
my thought with the work comparison was that I believe alot of skills can be learned/re-enforced by playing organized sports, skills that you will use in the work place. even though as a kid you dont realize it while your going thru it, but being on a team, and playing organized sports can teach certain life lessons. Discipline, sacrifice, and even respect can be learned on the football field, it can happen directly, or indirectly. You dont see it at the time, but those skills you learn you will take with you for a lifetime. Having to deal with personalites you dont get along with can be learned on the football field; and how to deal with working next to someone you dont get along with, can be learned on the football field as well. All of these lessons, and more, can be learned in organized sports as a youngster and be applied in the work place as an adult.
After football, when this kid has to get a job....how is he going to deal with a boss that is telling him something he doesnt like or want to hear....posting a letter online claiming abuse (or anything) would definitely not be the way to go about it.
If there was a certain level of abuse, so be it, involve the authorites to the fullest extent; go thru the proper channels. But this student didnt go to the authorities, he went to the internet. To me, thats suspicious. Publicly posting a letter is silly, childish. Its just sour grapes; it looks like someone trying to lash out at the institution that he feels slighted by, because he has no other recourse.
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Found a clip of AJ Barker announcing through song in front of his school that he won't take anymore and that he's out:
AJ Barker - I'm Out - YouTube
AJ Barker - I'm Out - YouTube