'13 IL OT Colin McGovern (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[rtrn2glory]

mcglinchey is a future tackle as is elmer....the others i project is interior guys...could be wrong, but that's how i see them hitting their ceilings imo

 

[Whiskeyjack]

No way...Bivin and John can play inside, but McCogvern stays outside no matter what.

Right, most people seem to think that if one of the tackles moves inside it will be Bivin. At least that's what I remember reading in the spring/summer after those guys committed.

mcglinchey is a future tackle as is elmer....the others i project is interior guys...could be wrong, but that's how i see them hitting their ceilings imo

What criteria are you guys basing these assertions on? Simple height? At 6'7'', Bivin is the 2nd tallest OL commit in this class, behind only McGlinchey at 6'9''.

 

[Emcee77]

I think this is what I recall reading:

In The Film Room: Hunter Bivin

It's free so I guess I can quote from it:

With his long arms he can play either right tackle or inside as a guard or center, which ever position he ends up he should be able to play well.

I think a move from tackle to guard, accompanied by more fire and passion when he plays, and I think he will prove any naysayer wrong and be a stand out player for years to come.

I believe there were other, similar articles, but I won't be able to find them now. If you are skeptical though, Whiskey, I can see why. I don't think I've ever heard of a 6'7" guard.

Like Whiskey, I'm curious why you think McGovern could be a guard, rtrn2glory. I haven't heard anyone saying that McGovern, Elmer or McGlinchey will or might play anything but tackle.

 

[NDdomer2]

What criteria are you guys basing these assertions on? Simple height? At 6'7'', Bivin is the 2nd tallest OL commit in this class, behind only McGlinchey at 6'9''.

McGlinchey is going to be a giant. Hard seeing him move inside imo. Does Montelus move to center if Hegarty's health issue is worse case scenario?

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think this is what I recall reading:

In The Film Room: Hunter Bivin

It's free so I guess I can quote from it:





I believe there were other, similar articles, but I won't be able to find them now. If you are skeptical though, Whiskey, I can see why. I don't think I've ever heard of a 6'7" guard.

Like Whiskey, I'm curious why you think McGovern could be a guard, rtrn2glory. I haven't heard anyone saying that McGovern, Elmer or McGlinchey will or might play anything but tackle.

the film i've seen from mcgovern and the camp scene highlights showed that he looked like he isn't elite in space, which is a huge requirement obviously at tackle. however, he has a great motor and a mean streak and is just agile enough to be a good puller. that's what i'm basing it off of....i think his ceiling is on the inside, but i'm not the one making the decision, which is fortunate. plus i think it's easier for the way we recruit OL to find guys that can play tackle rather than interior dudes...we've been blessed with some studs this year in bivin and montelus with at the very least mcgovern being a swing guy that can play inside or out, much like bivin, but i project him on the interior as well.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It seems to me that unless a guy is a little slower, or just too tall, you really can't tell in our scheme until they get here. So I would say:

Guard:
John Montelus 6'5" 295

Tackle:
Mike McGlinchey 6'9" 280

Either:
Hunter Bivin 6'7" 288 (guard?)
Colin McGovern 3 6'5" 284 (guard?)
Steve Elmer 6'6" 305 (most liekly a tackle, but I think he could play anywhere)

This is a very good haul, IMO. And it looks like I agree with rtrn2glory for the most part.

 

[rtrn2glory]

What criteria are you guys basing these assertions on? Simple height? At 6'7'', Bivin is the 2nd tallest OL commit in this class, behind only McGlinchey at 6'9''.

height is the last thing i considered personally idk about the others.

 

[Emcee77]

the film i've seen from mcgovern and the camp scene highlights showed that he looked like he isn't elite in space, which is a huge requirement obviously at tackle. however, he has a great motor and a mean streak and is just agile enough to be a good puller. that's what i'm basing it off of....i think his ceiling is on the inside, but i'm not the one making the decision, which is fortunate. plus i think it's easier for the way we recruit OL to find guys that can play tackle rather than interior dudes...we've been blessed with some studs this year in bivin and montelus with at the very least mcgovern being a swing guy that can play inside or out, much like bivin, but i project him on the interior as well.

Thanks. Interesting take.

 

[Old Man Mike]

..... all of them won't be tackles.... we must admit that.

The question then is, WHICH won't be, regardless of whether they all look like tackles or not.

Let's imagine for a moment that they're ALL as good as they now look, and someday MUST line up five across. Who then is where? Example: we need a mobile beast at Center. Who is that? Montelus/ Markise Pouncey 2.0? We need people who can pull and adjust blocking quickly at guard --- who are those two? Biven? McGovern? Is McGlinchey SO tall that he can't go in there, or does he play as an unusual 6'9" waistbender? Is Elmer just such a massive sideline-to-sideline width wall, that anything but tackle is inconceivable?

All this is very mysterious to me, but Hiestand is going to have to decide once he sees these guys move vs big time d-linemen. We ain't got five tackles here.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Thanks. Interesting take.

nice way for saying your a dumb a**??

that's just my opinion

 

[Whiskeyjack]

nice way for saying your a dumb a**??

that's just my opinion

Pretty sure he was being sincere. Lighten up, Francis.

 

[rtrn2glory]

here's my rank for the lineman we have in terms of athleticism top to bottom.

1. montelus
2. elmer
3.bivin
4. mcglinchey
5. mcgovern

3-5 could be changed, but that's my feel right now and there really isn't that big of a difference between any of the guys we have committed...again just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

[Domina Nostra]

height is the last thing i considered personally idk about the others.

I think a 6'9" kid is going to stuggle inside.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Pretty sure he was being sincere. Lighten up, Francis.

k thanks

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think a 6'9" kid is going to stuggle inside.

which is why i see him as the only sure fire tackle of the 5, with elmer being 2nd.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Sounds like he has the tools for tackle to me:

McGovern plays with the athleticism and playing strength needed to dominate as both a run and pass blocker. Has the height for the offensive tackle position at the major level of competition with a long frame that should support additional body mass over time. Playing out of a two- and three-point stance, we see very good initial quickness and first-step explosion. He has strong hands and is able to knock defenders back on their heels with his first punch. He plays with a flat back and is able to gain an immediate advantage on first contact. When single- or double-team blocking, we see the ability to roll the hips and sustain due to his blocking base and persistent leg drive. Does a very good reacting and adjusting to movement. He plays in space very well, showing excellent flexibility, agility and balance. He is productive as a trap blocker. He gets out of his stance, clears the line and demonstrates the ability to locate and adjust his blocking angle on the move. He gets out in front, displaying good downfield aggressiveness. We see the athleticism needed to reach and consistently get a hat on active first and second level defenders. McGovern has the athleticism and physical tools needed to make all the run blocks at the next level. His long arms, quick hands and nimble feet should be assets in pass protection. He sets quickly, showing good bend with the ability to slide and stay in front of pass rushers. He gets his hands up quickly working for placement and extension, and has the athleticism to recover and get out of trouble. He is a tough customer who finishes with a nasty attitude. With added bulk and improved playing strength, McGovern could challenge for a starting spot immediately.

 

[rtrn2glory]

all of that scouting report translates more to guard than tackle imo.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Sherm's quote sounds promising+. It also said to me that McGovern might play either Tackle or Guard with that skill set.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

all of that scouting report translates more to guard than tackle imo.

The athleticism and long arms screams OT to me.

 

[rtrn2glory]

long arms with these 5 dudes is a trait across the board i would say....and athleticism for that matter too

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That's true.

I just don't know why you and everyone else on this site have him as the lowest or on the lower end of ND OL prospects. Personally, I think he will end up being the best of the bunch. Not to mention he is the only one with a Alabama offer...wait a kid from Illinois with an Alabama offer!?

 

[rtrn2glory]

i think everyone of our 5 has the chance to be elite...depends on how they work and translate their skills to the college game.

imo montelus has the biggest upside, but ill leave it at that.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i think everyone of our 5 has the chance to be elite...depends on how they work and translate their skills to the college game.

imo montelus has the biggest upside, but ill leave it at that.

Notre Dame should be very happy to get these 5 young men...They could all be stars!

 

[Emcee77]

nice way for saying your a dumb a**??

that's just my opinion

Pretty sure he was being sincere. Lighten up, Francis.

Lol, thanks Whiskey. I was being totally sincere. I haven't seen much film on McGovern and I am far from an expert on O-line play. I appreciate your perspective, rtrn2glory. I certainly wouldn't have repped you for giving it if I didn't.

 

[Buster Bluth]

That's true.

I just don't know why you and everyone else on this site have him as the lowest or on the lower end of ND OL prospects. Personally, I think he will end up being the best of the bunch. Not to mention he is the only one with a Alabama offer...wait a kid from Illinois with an Alabama offer!?

True but since guys like Elmer committed soooo early, perhaps judging offers is not perfect.

Either way, their offers are all terrific.

The big offers for each of them:

Elmer: Michigan, MSU, Stanford, Wisconsin
McGlinchey: Florida, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, MSU, Penn State, Wisconsin
Montelus: Florida, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, West Virginia
McGovern: Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Bivin: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Wisconsin.

Wow. Bivin actually has offers from nine SEC schools. Suck on that ESPN.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Lol, thanks Whiskey. I was being totally sincere. I haven't seen much film on McGovern and I am far from an expert on O-line play. I appreciate your perspective, rtrn2glory. I certainly wouldn't have repped you for it if I didn't.

my perspective is usually meaningless, but thanks none the less. O line is prolly the hardest position for me to evaluate just cuz i don't know how good the guys are lined up across from them, which is surely why we don't see a lot of freshman starters at O line across the country cuz it's so hard to move from high school to college.

no harm done!!

 

[Irish#1]

True but since guys like Elmer committed soooo early, perhaps judging offers is not perfect.

Either way, their offers are all terrific.

The big offers for each of them:

Elmer: Michigan, MSU, Stanford, Wisconsin
McGlinchey: Florida, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, MSU, Penn State, Wisconsin
Montelus: Florida, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, West Virginia
McGovern: Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Bivin: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Wisconsin.

Wow. Bivin actually has offers from nine SEC schools.

I like the fact that 4 out of 5 had offers from Wisconsin. Those guys no how to recruit and develop O linemen.

 

[Irish#1]

my perspective is usually meaningless, but thanks none the less. O line is prolly the hardest position for me to evaluate just cuz i don't know how good the guys are lined up across from them, which is surely why we don't see a lot of freshman starters at O line across the country cuz it's so hard to move from high school to college.
no harm done!!

The biggest reason freshmen don't normally come in and play right away is strength and the second is weight. Even if they have the size, they usually lack the strength to stand up to older, stronger linemen on a consistent basis.

 

[shakedownthethunder]

To backup Sherm on this, when I said I don't think he's our BEST OL prospect, I was referring to Elmer. I think Elmer looks to be the best prospect. That being said, I think McGovern's athleticism puts him as a tackle, and I think he will start at tackle for us. I think Bivin could end up being one of the better guards in the nation, but I don't think he's a better tackle prospect than those two guys. Having watched McGovern a lot in high school, he was a huge land for us. Alabama wanted him pretty badly.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

To backup Sherm on this, when I said I don't think he's our BEST OL prospect, I was referring to Elmer. I think Elmer looks to be the best prospect. That being said, I think McGovern's athleticism puts him as a tackle, and I think he will start at tackle for us. I think Bivin could end up being one of the better guards in the nation, but I don't think he's a better tackle prospect than those two guys. Having watched McGovern a lot in high school, he was a huge land for us. Alabama wanted him pretty badly.

Thanks for the backup lol.