'13 IL WR Laquon Treadwell (Ole Miss Verbal)

[Me2SouthBend]

I dont take Mike serious. Boyd stock grew in camps where they don't tackle. Fosters film speaks for itself. Mike also refuses to move VH3 to the number 1 corner, because he said earlier in the year that Fuller might pass Nkemdiche as the best player in the country.

Devin Fuller? Damn that's awesome!

 

[Domina Nostra]

ND offers LT a chance to be the #1 boundary WR, as a freshman, on a BCS-level school with a pass-first coach and an athletic QB who can make all the passes and stretch plays (I like our other WRs, but no one has established themselves at this point to such a degree that such speculation is unwarranted.)

That has to be on his mind.

 

[woolybug25]

ND offers LT a chance to be the #1 boundary WR, as a freshman, on a BCS-level school with a pass-first coach and an athletic QB who can make all the passes and stretch plays (I like our other WRs, but no one has established themselves at this point to such a degree that such speculation is unwarranted.)

That has to be on his mind.

And do it at a school that is not only extremely close to home, but where the lights shine the brightest. Everyone knows who the star player at Notre Dame is.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Wanted to put out this question and get your guys feedback. In your unbias opinion who was a better prospect coming out of high school. Treadwell or Floyd?

Unbiased. It's unbiased.

 

[NDPhilly]

Unbiased. It's unbiased.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

(I like our other WRs, but no one has established themselves at this point to such a degree that such speculation is unwarranted.)

Daniels has had a very good season. Couldn't ask much more from a RS Freshman given our QB woes. I wouldn't put money on Treadwell unseating him or Jones as a freshman.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Daniels has had a very good season. Couldn't ask much from a RS Freshman given our QB woes. I wouldn't put money on Treadwell unseating him or Jones as a freshman.

Yeah maybe (big maybe) Daniels but no way he beats out TJ.

 

[Bobias]

Devin Fuller? Damn that's awesome!

Sorry, its Kendall Fuller, not Devin. Kendall is a VT commit and is the 2nd ranked corner.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ironically if American students had to write an essay about their life's grammar studies, most could use Mein Kampf for the title.

And don't go through high school/college thinking that people don't care. They do. Humans judge on appearance, in a forum such as this we only have an avatar and posts.

 

[stlnd01]

Daniels has had a very good season. Couldn't ask much more from a RS Freshman given our QB woes. I wouldn't put money on Treadwell unseating him or Jones as a freshman.

Thing is, if LT is expecting to walk in and be The Guy as a true freshman, he probably is not going to wind up playing at a big-time program, because big-time programs already have other good receivers. If that's what he wants, fine, he can go to Ole Miss (or Houston), and never play a big-time game in his career.
But hopefully he's bigger than that, that he can see what's getting built here, and know he doesn't have to run the show on Day One to be a major contributor to something special over the next few years.

 

[NDPhilly]

He'd have a much better chance at starting next year at Michigan if he's looking for that, especially if they keep Gardner at QB.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Daniels has had a very good season. Couldn't ask much more from a RS Freshman given our QB woes. I wouldn't put money on Treadwell unseating him or Jones as a freshman.

I agree that DD and TJ have been very good. But neither have been so good that it is impossible to imagine a Top 5 WR coming in and starting above one of them. There are some positions where a freshman is just not going to start given our depth, but I think RB and WR a real stud would have a chance.

 

[ALLGATOR]

He'd have a much better chance at starting next year at Michigan if he's looking for that, especially if they keep Gardner at QB.

He would start the first day of practice at Florida.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree that DD and TJ have been very good. But neither have been so good that it is impossible to imagine a Top 5 WR coming in and starting above one of them. There are some positions where a freshman is just not going to start given our depth, but I think RB and WR a real stud would have a chance.

Not saying LT couldn't win a starting job, but it's worth noting that, in Davonte Neal, we have a Top 5 WR recruit who hasn't seen a pass all season.
This offense seems to very much value WRs who can block, and that's not a skill even high school studs tend to walk in the door with. But, then, we're selling something bigger than guaranteed freshman year playing time. Hopefully it's what young Mr. Treadwell's looking to buy.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I agree that DD and TJ have been very good. But neither have been so good that it is impossible to imagine a Top 5 WR coming in and starting above one of them. There are some positions where a freshman is just not going to start given our depth, but I think RB and WR a real stud would have a chance.

Well, no, but with Kelly's conservative offense this year and the growing pains Golson has been going through, I'm not sure we can really draw any conclusions from that. Both Daniels and Jones have been clutch this season; very few drops, several big catches at big moments. Given their limited opportunities, how much better could they have looked?

 

[woolybug25]

You guys are trippin'. Treadwell would start day one.

 

[Emcee77]

Not saying LT couldn't win a starting job, but it's worth noting that, in Davonte Neal, we have a Top 5 WR recruit who hasn't seen a pass all season.
This offense seems to very much value WRs who can block, and that's not a skill even high school studs tend to walk in the door with. But, then, we're selling something bigger than guaranteed freshman year playing time. Hopefully it's what young Mr. Treadwell's looking to buy.

True, but I think that's because he just isn't showing Kelly the consistency he wants. Kelly really values consistency. Plus, we haven't had the QB play until recently that would allow us to just turn playmaking WRs loose; we need WRs who will play mistake-free football to help out our QBs.

Next year could be a totally different thing. Golson will have a year as a starter under his belt, and Kelly has said that the offense will evolve to fit the personnel. I could see LT coming in and starting, or I could see him playing behind somebody.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

I'm sorry, but a top 3 team in nation, that has a WR position open for grabs, you cant help bur feel good about landing him.

 

[Irishnuke]

You guys are trippin'. Treadwell would start day one.

No question.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I'm sorry, but a top 3 team in nation, that has a WR position open for grabs, you cant help bur feel good about landing him.

This is my point.

Its not that LT would automatically start. Its that we are a pass first, Top 5 team, without a single go-to WR (we have a go-to TE). There is no Shark, Tate, or Floyd on this team.

Obviously, from a numbers and experience perspective, DD, TJJ, and DN will be starting the first game next year. TJ and DD are already productive, and TJ has become very savvy as well. I expect they will improve, but none of them have any position locked-down yet.

 

[dublinirish]

you guys really think Neal will lock down the Slot position next year? Im not so sure! I could see a strong competition for that spot if Cam or Amir get reps there.

 

[Buster Bluth]

you guys really think Neal will lock down the Slot position next year? Im not so sure! I could see a strong competition for that spot if Cam or Amir get reps there.

Amir, yes. Cam, no.

And I'm not so sure that Treadwell would start immediately. Is he an EE? If he's not, playing WR in Kelly's offense isn't the easiest thing to pick up. You've got to be cerebral.

 

[Fbolt]

You guys are trippin'. Treadwell would start day one.

He would certainly have a shot.

Its not that LT would automatically start. Its that we are a pass first, Top 5 team, without a single go-to WR (we have a go-to TE). There is no Shark, Tate, or Floyd on this team.

Obviously, from a numbers and experience perspective, DD, TJJ, and DN will be starting the first game next year. TJ and DD are already productive, and TJ has become very savvy as well. I expect they will improve, but none of them have any position locked-down yet.

Agreed. How many times did Kelly publicly push DD this preseason? He's solid but has not shown his NFL caliber skills-he's not a lock. If he improves, sure he could make it happen but he is a blossoming project (get healthy DD!). TJ is a starter and yes he can catch the ball-but realistically, he's a safe bet for Kelly. he's proven that he can play mistake free ball. However, TJ seems to lack explosiveness.

Maybe the problem is Golson not getting the ball is the right place for YAC-which should improve with time and experience. Who knows...?

ND has an opening for a guy with explosiveness who can make the catch. If LQ can make that happen in the spring, he will start. He def looks very polished. Jump on board LQ!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

you guys really think Neal will lock down the Slot position next year? Im not so sure! I could see a strong competition for that spot if Cam or Amir get reps there.

Kelly stated that Neal would be our starting Z WR right now but for Toma keeping him on the bench.

 

[dublinirish]

Kelly stated that Neal would be our starting Z WR right now but for Toma keeping him on the bench.

Interesting, i wasn't aware of that. Would be nice for BK to get DN more involved with some end arounds and stuff but we will have to wait until next year i guess

 

[aubeirish]

Cam will stay at RB in my opinion. He showed that he can become a regular contributor.

 

[ThePiombino]

You guys are trippin'. Treadwell would start day one.

Not over TJ. Daniels maybe, but not TJ. There's more that goes into being a D1 WR than just raw talent.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think some of you are underestimating how good DD is/can/will be. I think this offense this year has been boiled down quite a bit and the more comfortable BK gets with his QB, the more open the offense will become.

 

[Cackalacky]

BK said in the presser, that with DD out, Daniel Smith, Chris Brown, Goodman, Riddick and TJ will all pick up DD's role. That makes me happy that his offense and personnel are flexible enough for those recievers, such that each, with a different exceptional skill set can contribute to what has appeared to me to be a power run game and not the Cinncinati offense I initialy expected.

The reason it makes me happy is that Kelly is able to get the personel groupings on the field that he wants and has the athletes to do it. I can't remember the last time ND had that. Early 90's maybe

I wonder how hard it is to gameplan against this ability for a DC.

Treadwell would only add to this dimensionality, though without Eifert, things may change next year.

 

[Domina Nostra]

How many times did Kelly publicly push DD this preseason? He's solid but has not shown his NFL caliber skills-he's not a lock. If he improves, sure he could make it happen but he is a blossoming project (get healthy DD!). TJ is a starter and yes he can catch the ball-but realistically, he's a safe bet for Kelly. he's proven that he can play mistake free ball. However, TJ seems to lack explosiveness.

Here is my take on DD, which I expect some people might scoff at it: I think DD was a little scared of D1 competition, the spotlight, the physicality, etc. Watch his interviews from last spring until now. I always thought he looked like a dear in headlights, and he is only now starting to lose that look. Now he just looks chill.

He has Tier 1 talent, but he went to a high school where he was a ton better than everyone else. He also has an NFL father, so I think people expected him to be tougher than he really was. This is not to say that he did not have self-confidence in his potential. He apparently always knew the tlaent was there. But I don't think he embraced the game the way other players did. Cierre Wood had a similar process. D1 was a wake-up for him, and he did not look like he liked the physicality until the end of his first year playing.

Long story short, I think it is all about swagger with DD. Like Ishaq Williams, when DD stops thinking so much and just starts playing all out with confidence, WATCH OUT!

On LT. If he were to come, I could envison TJ or DD sliding into one of the other spots to let him play boundary, especially in spread sets.