How 2012 Irish Would Fare in SEC

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I think a better question is how Bama, UGA, UF, SCAR would have done facing our schedule.
 

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I think a better question is how Bama, UGA, UF, SCAR would have done facing our schedule.

Couldn't agree more. People like to knock on our schedule. However, we haven't really had a true "down week." Stout teams week in and week out.
 

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Sorry guys. My head isn't in the game right now and I'm new. My apologies.

You didn't do anything wrong. You posted a link, which is acceptable. I think they just wanted to make sure someone else didn't paste the article in here for everyone to read.
 

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You didn't do anything wrong. You posted a link, which is acceptable. I think they just wanted to make sure someone else didn't paste the article in here for everyone to read.


Someone did cut and paste a proprietary article. That post has since been deleted apparently by one of the mods.
 

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Do they also present ND as playing 2 FBS schools and some other non-conference patsies instead of a competitive schedule? Either division would have us playing 3 ranked teams so we could mop up 9 wins versus unranked teams and flip a coin on the other three games. Add a title game if we win 2/3 of the ranked matchups for a fourth ranked team. Not that much tougher than Stanford, USC, Oklahoma, Michigan (I'll leave off MSU since they are sucking it up).
 

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To paraphrase, the article says ND would do very well, that the team is as tough as any in FBS right now and with the strength of its defense (gives some really good breakdown on passing defense and how ND gives up very few big plays), deserves to be in the championship even if the teams ahead of us do not lose.
 

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Do they also present ND as playing 2 FBS schools and some other non-conference patsies instead of a competitive schedule? Either division would have us playing 3 ranked teams so we could mop up 9 wins versus unranked teams and flip a coin on the other three games. Add a title game if we win 2/3 of the ranked matchups for a fourth ranked team. Not that much tougher than Stanford, USC, Oklahoma, Michigan (I'll leave off MSU since they are sucking it up).

The author KC Joyner, ESPN, notes the ND is being hurt in the BCS polling because of the perception that teams in major conferences play tougher schedules. (Whether the Harris and Coaches voters acknowledge it verbally, SEC, BIG 12, and PAC 12 fans are sure commenting like that.)

Joyner notes ND beat OU at home, only Stoops 5th loss at home. On the other hand, Alabama's best win is over UM who ND also beat. He points out that UM AND MIA are both tied for their conference division lead and could play for their conference championships. He further notes that SU is only a game out of their division lead and could play for a championship as well.

After UM, Bama's best win is Arkansas. Not much to boast about, is it? Next best Bama win is over Mississippi. They also beat up Missouri who was missing their best player, first string QB James Franklin. Yes, he concedes Bama beat an undefeated Miss St team but points out their winning streak was built on 4 non-BCS conferences opponents and hapless Auburn, UTN, and UK. (He mentioned John L. was a lame duck at Arkansas but showed charity to Chizek and Dooley simply calling their teams "weaker".)

He acknowledges that Bama is the best team in the country but LSU isn't what they were expected to be. Great defense but not so great passing offense. LSU QB has a 90 QB Eff Rating against SEC Teams. ( I'll add LSU fans would be thrilled to have Rees on their team)

Nor is Bama's Eastern Div foe in the CCG quality as attested to by the recent UF/UGA game.

ND doesn't have a championship game but they face the formidable Trojans to close the season.

He notes ND's schedule is as tough as any in the SEC and the Irish had handled it.

He stresses ND's D is as good as any in the SEC.

11th nationally in yards allowed per game (293), 13th in yards allowed per play (4.53) and, most importantly, second only to Alabama in points allowed per game (9.9).
Notre Dame is particularly tough against the run, as it ranks ninth in rush yards per game allowed (95.3), first in rushing touchdowns allowed (one) and 16th in rush yards per carry (3.1). This powerful segment of its defense was in full force against Oklahoma, as the Irish allowed the Sooners only 41 yards on 22 carries (if sacks are factored out of the rushing total).

He breaks out the ND pass defense success by looking at the Depth of routes run: Short, Medium, Deep, Bomb, and Throways. His stats bear out that ND has done well in the choking down the Vertical game and compliments Russell's play.

Overall ND's Offense has the 9th lowest turnover rate while ranked 25th in Big Plays.

This is a solid article in support of ND's Offense, Defense, and Schedule as a basis for deserving a shot at the NC Game. I'm sure Tide, Duck, and Wildcat fans are complaining about the homer article by that ESPN guy. "Ya know how much ESPN loves ND"
 

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I have no idea how we could handle such a tough schedule. Let's see: S. Miss, Auburn, Kentucky, Vandy, out of conference Fl Atlantic, Troy, Samford, and then have to face Arkansas and perhaps Missouri. We better schedule a couple of div 2 schools for some relief from the constant strain on our players.
 
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The author KC Joyner, ESPN, notes the ND is being hurt in the BCS polling because of the perception that teams in major conferences play tougher schedules. (Whether the Harris and Coaches voters acknowledge it verbally, SEC, BIG 12, and PAC 12 fans are sure commenting like that.)

Joyner notes ND beat OU at home, only Stoops 5th loss at home. On the other hand, Alabama's best win is over UM who ND also beat. He points out that UM AND MIA are both tied for their conference division lead and could play for their conference championships. He further notes that SU is only a game out of their division lead and could play for a championship as well.

After UM, Bama's best win is Arkansas. Not much to boast about, is it? Next best Bama win is over Mississippi. They also beat up Missouri who was missing their best player, first string QB James Franklin. Yes, he concedes Bama beat an undefeated Miss St team but points out their winning streak was built on 4 non-BCS conferences opponents and hapless Auburn, UTN, and UK. (He mentioned John L. was a lame duck at Arkansas but showed charity to Chizek and Dooley simply calling their teams "weaker".)

He acknowledges that Bama is the best team in the country but LSU isn't what they were expected to be. Great defense but not so great passing offense. LSU QB has a 90 QB Eff Rating against SEC Teams. ( I'll add LSU fans would be thrilled to have Rees on their team)

Nor is Bama's Eastern Div foe in the CCG quality as attested to by the recent UF/UGA game.

ND doesn't have a championship game but they face the formidable Trojans to close the season.

He notes ND's schedule is as tough as any in the SEC and the Irish had handled it.

He stresses ND's D is as good as any in the SEC.



He breaks out the ND pass defense success by looking at the Depth of routes run: Short, Medium, Deep, Bomb, and Throways. His stats bear out that ND has done well in the choking down the Vertical game and compliments Russell's play.

Overall ND's Offense has the 9th lowest turnover rate while ranked 25th in Big Plays.

This is a solid article in support of ND's Offense, Defense, and Schedule as a basis for deserving a shot at the NC Game. I'm sure Tide, Duck, and Wildcat fans are complaining about the homer article by that ESPN guy. "Ya know how much ESPN loves ND"

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Apparently he is the only one at ESPN other than Golic who realizes how far the Irish have come this year. But I would have loved him to look a little bit more in-depth at Bama's schedule before calling them the best team in the country.

They play NOBODY. FIVE teams with LOSING records. Opp 50-47 (.515), OOC 14-19 (.424), SEC opp 13-24 (.351!!), including THREE teams that are winless in SEC play-TENN, AUB and MISSOURI, a combined 0-15!!

The fallacy that you have to play in a conference in order to play a tough schedule, particularly in the "superior" SEC is just maddening.
 

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Pretty damn well. Alabama (8-0) has faced 4 teams with winning records-Michigan, Western Kentucky, OLe Miss, and Miss St. One (Miss St.) is ranked in the top 25.

Of those only Ole Miss and Miss St. have a winning record against AQ schools.

None of the schools 'Bama's faced have beat a team currently ranked in the top 25.

Of all 8 opponents the biggest win they can boast is Mich over MSU, or Missery over ASU, it's horrible.

After #5 LSU they face #16 A&M at home, Western Carolina and Auburn...It's a good thing they were ranked #1 preseason, talk about murders row...Now of course they have a CCG, but beating Georgia ain't too hard if you don't turn the ball over 6 times.

Why everyone claims they are one another level is beyond me at this point, they are the most unproven of the undefeateds. Just doing what any top 10 team would do to that poor opposition.
 

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Alabama is firmly in reload, not rebuild, mode right now. And they're coming off an undefeated and NC season. They are going to get the benefit of the doubt, like it or not.

I'm pleased to see such a supportive ESPN article, especially one that is based more on thoughtful analysis than hyperbole.
 

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Alabama is firmly in reload, not rebuild, mode right now. And they're coming off an undefeated and NC season. They are going to get the benefit of the doubt, like it or not.

I'm pleased to see such a supportive ESPN article, especially one that is based more on thoughtful analysis than hyperbole.




Alabama lost to LSU last season and got a rematch for the NC. They get plenty of the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Tex Pete's comment:

"Without looking to find out, he undoubtedly wears Croakies and deck shoes and has a massive combover. He is automatically disqualified from having a relevant opinion. $#@! that moron."

Love it! I cracked up! I know Clay...and this is pretty close to the truth. Add in Duckheads and a beard for his regular ensemble. But, in Clay's defense, I will at least say he's a nice guy and a pretty good dude.
 
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