Indiana GOP Senate Candidate's Mind-blowing Comment

[irishpat183]

When the GOP does a post-mortem on why the Democrats retained the senate, they have no one to blame but themselves. Akin and Mourdock this time, O'Donnell last time. You have to run candidates that have something to offer and don't shoot themselves in the foot any time they appear in public.

While I agree....I don't see why it's any different on the other side. Anthony Weiner? Maxine Waters? Debbie "Dee Snider" Wasserman Schultz?...the list goes on and on

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot...but of course, morals don't matter when it's a democrat, right?

 

[irishpat183]

Yes, it was painfully obvious watching the whole clip that he was referring to the societal support structures not the business. But as you've shown, it's incredibly easy to parse text and bold something to make it read the way you want.

When I first heard the blurb I was like "WHAT!?!?! F*CK OBAMA THAT'S RIDICULOUS!!!" and then I watched the unedited clip and was like "yeah... wow... that was some really effective editing."

It's no different than the TV spot running right now where the Dems have edited a 60 Minutes interview to make Romney look like a greedy devil who pays zero taxes... rather than you know, actually explaining why capital gains tax is lower and helps the economy and how raising it would push people into investing their capital in other markets.

It's all just shock tactics and every side does it.

Yeah, I get what you're trying to say....but he still said it. And if he really meant roads and bridges...then why did he say you didn't build THAT opposed to using the word THOSE?

And it was a pretty long quote. He had time to insert that anywhere he wanted.


But you're right. Both sides love those buzz words and quotes that **** off their voting block.

 

[irishpat183]

You cant say that and then say Obama is crushing small business with his taxes dude, everyone together build that, justitfying the need for Government involvement in public goods.

What does government know about public good? That is a joke....


Government does what's best for government and the guys running it. Follow the bread crumbs...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yeah... the OP is one of the worst examples selective quoting I may have ever seen... almost as bad as the "you didn't build that" hack job Republicans did on that one Obama clip.

Frankly, you can disagree with him all you want, but there is nothing logically incorrect with his statement "life begins at conception, I don't believe in ending an innocent persons life, therefor you shouldn't have an abortion"... I mean I personally disagree with it on some levels, but it's not even close to "crazy" or "mind blowing".

I thought it was a legit quote. Seems to clear to me that he believes in playing the cards youre dealt.

I personally don't think you should have to play the cards if the cards are forced in your hand.

I agree that if two people have consensual sex and accidentally conceive a child, they should be responsible and make the best out of the situation.

If you are raped, that is definitely not part of God's plan.

 

[Emcee77]

EDIT: nvm, I'm just not going to go there

 

[Domina Nostra]

I thought it was a legit quote. Seems to clear to me that he believes in playing the cards youre dealt.

I personally don't think you should have to play the cards if the cards are forced in your hand.

I agree that if two people have consensual sex and accidentally conceive a child, they should be responsible and make the best out of the situation.

If you are raped, that is definitely not part of God's plan.

Thanks for that non-indignant response! I do agree that the debate about aborting after a rape and aborting for convenience are very different issues since the mother never consented to the act which created the child.

But what about the baby? We all agree that the baby has rights the second its head and feet are out, but apparently some people think that the previous second the baby's rights were shrouded in mystery. Is the development of the child, the fact that it is viable, responsive, able to feel pain and so-forth, simply not an issue anymore?

It seems that abortion advocates have simply abandoned all of those arguments, and have taken a harder line: the baby's personhood is a total non-issue; since a woman has complete control over what (or who) is going on in her body she could kill the baby in even if it is a person. Everyone else--including the father--just has to live with her decision on the matter. Am I getting that right?

 

[GoIrish41]

Murdoch and Akin are simply stating the views of the modern GOP.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I thought it was a legit quote. Seems to clear to me that he believes in playing the cards youre dealt.

I personally don't think you should have to play the cards if the cards are forced in your hand.

I agree that if two people have consensual sex and accidentally conceive a child, they should be responsible and make the best out of the situation.

If you are raped, that is definitely not part of God's plan.

Some people think that these "cards" are actually people. Not me, but I've definitely heard people say that. Probably Mormons or something.

 

[Cackalacky]

Was the immaculate conception a rape? Just curious.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Was the immaculate conception a rape? Just curious.

I don't get it. Are you asking rhetorically if God is a rapist...?

 

[Cackalacky]

Irony of the day..... there is a Richard Mourdock political ad banner on this thread.

 

[Cackalacky]

I don't get it. Are you asking rhetorically if God is a rapist...?

No seriously. Honest question. Was Jesus a rape baby.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

No seriously. Honest question. Was Jesus a rape baby.

I don't think "Virgin Mary" is just a clever name.

 

[irishpat183]

Murdoch and Akin are simply stating the views of the modern GOP.

And Maxine Waters and Andrew Cuomo are stating the views of the modern liberal

 

[Bubba]

Was the immaculate conception a rape? Just curious.

reckless southern nerd fo sho... ;-)

 

[irishpat183]

Some people think that these "cards" are actually people. Not me, but I've definitely heard people say that. Probably Mormons or something.

LOL....What is it about people always referring to an unborn child as an "accident" or something else??

And let me tell you....I challenge any of you pro-choice guys to listen to an unborn childs heartbeat for the first time and tell me it's not life.

There is a reason that liberals are against requiring a sonogram for women that want an abortion...

 

[BGIF]

I don't get it. Are you asking rhetorically if God is a rapist...?

It's been a number of years but I recall the paradox of Man being created in His image - the good, the bad, the ugly, (and the women). He did create them all, didn't He?

If parents should be held accountable for their children, shouldn't He also be accountable for his creations?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

...If parents should be held accountable for their children, shouldn't He also be accountable for his creations?

I guess it depends on whether you believe in "free will".

 

[BGIF]

LOL....What is it about people always referring to an unborn child as an "accident" or something else??

And let me tell you....I challenge any of you pro-choice guys to listen to an unborn childs heartbeat for the first time and tell me it's not life.

There is a reason that liberals are against requiring a sonogram for women that want an abortion...

Heartbeats? What happened to the zygotes and blastocysts?

 

[irishpat183]

It's been a number of years but I recall the paradox of Man being created in His image - the good, the bad, the ugly, (and the women). He did create them all, didn't He?

If parents should be held accountable for their children, shouldn't He also be accountable for his creations?

Good point. Although I'm not sure I buy that he created us like robots with pre-determined results. He created us, gave us the roadmap, and gave us the choice to follow it or not.

I think he created us, and we choose to be good, bad, or ugly.

 

[irishpat183]

Heartbeats? What happened to the zygotes and blastocysts?

LOL


I was just using a personal example. Got to hear mine for the first time a few weeks ago...Changes your entire perspective.

 

[Cackalacky]

I guess it depends on whether you believe in "free will".

Last time I checked the Virgin Mary's consent was neither asked for nor required.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Putting aside free will, I've always wondered, can you really say that God only does good things, if He creates people he knows will do bad things? (He is omniscient, after all.)

I mean, how can we say He only does good things if he creates in motion the bad things and then doesn't make the effort to stop them?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Last time I checked the Virgin Mary's consent was neither asked for nor required.

I think you're quoting the wrong post. And "rape" requires intercourse. By definition. Or at least another person...No intercourse, no rape.

 

[Cackalacky]

Putting aside free will, I've always wondered, can you really say that God only does good things, if He creates people he knows will do bad things? (He is omniscient, after all.)

I mean, how can we say He only does good things if he creates in motion the bad things and then doesn't make the effort to stop them?

One can't be omniscient yet have free will simultaneously. Then one must themselves is god one or the other and have effective is either.

 

[BGIF]

I guess it depends on whether you believe in "free will".

Which brings us to the paradox of free will and God being omniscent. Doesn't work both ways.

How much free will did the raped mother have in the encounter? She said, "NO!"

How much free will does she get with her life and her body after her rape?

Is it your free will or hers?

IF, God gave her free will why won't you let her exercise her God given right?


That 16 video from the St Louis diocese is two edged, "Would you force an atheist to buy a Bible?"

No, but you'd force a raped woman to bear the seed of beast and endure the pain over and over and over.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think you two mean "omnipotent" rather than omniscient. Omniscient means all-knowing.

 

[BGIF]

I think you two mean "omnipotent" rather than omniscient. Omniscient means all-knowing.

I wrote what I meant, omniscient. Thanks for providing the correct spelling. Mea culpa.

If God knows what I will do my will is not free. I can't change what He knows. The Muslims refer to this as simply as, "It was written". The Presbyterians and others call it Predestination. We are destined to follow a preordained path.

Personally I find it a depressing concept.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

A diety can be omniscient and still be "hands-off" though. Think of the Oracle at Delphi for example. Just because God sees what you're doing doesn't mean that He's necessarily controlling anything. Of course, he may also be omnipotent too, and controlling all the course of human events, but that's another concept beyond just "knowledge".

But I tend to agree that following a god you believe to be omnipotent, and believing in your own free will, are largely inconsistent ideas.

 

[RDU Irish]

To me, the debate comes down to this. Are we really going to throw women in jail for having abortions? Let it be between them and God. They will have it done and best it is in a safe environment.

If it is viable outside the womb, generally third trimester, why not promote adoption any way possible? If you want choice, you also have to make said choice in a reasonable amount of time.

We do not have to incentivize irresponsible behavior though. No more welfare if you have another kid within five years of the last one, for starters? In the good old days, if you couldn't provide for your children you put them up for adoption. Tough choice but the responsible one if you want a better life for your kid. That also provided some motivation to get yourself in a better place so it wouldn't happen again. Same for child abuse, get the kid in a better environment pronto.