Time to hand the reigns back to Tommy Rees

[GoIrish41]

GolsOn.

And he found the endzone vs. Stanford on a great pass.

Yes. His TD pass was a beautiful throw. He also had some nice scrambles (including the one on which he got hurt) that would have never happened had Rees been in the game. Golson gives ND another dimension on offense that is difficult to defend. Let's not forget that Stanford has a very good defense. I don't see many offenses piling up points on them. Once Golson clears up some of his mental errors, he will be very, very good. He has to take his licks and learn from his mistakes. The only way that happens if he is in the game.

Tommy has been clutch, but we've won 6 games with Golson starting. Now is not the time to fiddle with success.

 

[PANDFAN]

How many threads can this debate be in.

 

[aaronb]

Why fix what's not broken? 6-0

Because we aren't going to keep winning if we have to come down to the final drive each and every week.

I feel like we would have won that game by a comfortable margin if the call to Rees had happened in the 2nd quarter.

 

[dsotm]

GolsOn.

And he found the endzone vs. Stanford on a great pass.

Yes, as did Rees. Same as against Purdue when Golsen couldn't. I'm not saying he's heads and tails above GolsOn, but there is no doubt in my mind he's better suited for our offense against what we have coming up.

 

[Mr. Larson]

Because we aren't going to keep winning if we have to come down to the final drive each and every week.

I feel like we would have won that game by a comfortable margin if the call to Rees had happened in the 2nd quarter.

Good enough for me.

/thread.

 

[aaronb]

Tommy has reached a plateau, i mean just think in a few years golson will have his natural ability with the knowledge tommy has, scary thought.

Is it worth risking a NC just to develop a kid who may or may not develop?

 

[IrishBlood81]

Why fix what's not broken? 6-0

I think it is broke. Yes we are 6-0 but only and I say ONLY because of our defense. Its not hard to see we really have no offense when we play a team with any kind of defense. Navy had no defense, we score 50, Miami had no defense, we score 41.
Every other team we score 20 points or less because they have a defense! Michigan we scored only 13 points!!! And only because of Rees! Stanford we score 13 points in regular time.
I don't think Golson is the answer, he just doesn't seem to get it, he seems very lethargic. He plays arrogant, when he does something good and gets a big and screws up. I only say this because he is VERY athletic and an extremely good player/athlete, but something is holding him back. You see flashes of greatness and its just not consistent. Of course you'll say.."oh hes a freshman, oh its his first year" and yeah, sure, that sounds reasonable and maybe is right. But, I disagree. A lot of freshmen start and are phenomenal and I think the issue is bigger than that. But again, this is my humble opinion.
I know I'm gonna get hated on for saying this but what about Hendrix? Hes mobiler than Rees and possibly more accurate and consistent than EG. Honestly was surprised we didn't see him vs Stanford.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Grimm]

Tommy is limited, but he had plenty of games where his arm and legs were sufficient to to put up big numbers. His big issue was turnovers. Personally, I don't think it's a given that he would get sacked a ton of times more than Golson in this game or that he would have thrown TOs. I don't think it is a given that he didn't get a bit smarter about his own limitations or figured out ways to compensate.

That said, I think Golson is clearly the starter. But Golson hasnt played well against a tough defenses. He managed MSU by not turning over the ball - not by playing well (IMO). Michigan was ugly. Stanford wasn't pretty, but actually was encouraging. He throws away the endzone fumble and runs out of bounds and I think he had an ok game given the D had stanford's number.

For me the real issue is how we do we beat USC and OU. Can we just get ok play from the QB and no turnovers - or do we need alot of points. I think we need points and I think it may be vital to use Rees in these games. So I'm in the odd situation where I actually would like to see Rees get some more playing time against BYU to get him sharper and be prepared to bring him in after 3 series against OU if Golson isn't moving the ball or looks shakey. Golson is the future, but OU is the current priority for me.

 

[GBdomer]

this is how i felt after reading this thread.

HES GOING TO PUT REES IN!! HES GOING TO PUT REES IN!

 

[dsotm]

Still think my post is the real issue, this other stuff about Golson not being a throw first QB is nonsense. What if there is two minutes left in the game and we need to drive down the field and score? Then who do we want in the .

Well, that depends. Against Purdue, in that very same scenario- Kelly wanted Rees in the game.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think we have a decent situation: get the Sophmore (RSF) through his rookie season with an experienced vet wiling and able to step in if things deteriorate.

 

[dsotm]

Golson is the future, but OU is the current priority for me.

I hope not, because then it's only a matter of time before Keil transfers. Maybe to Michigan or USC- then what?

 

[Pachuco]

Yes, as did Rees. Same as against Purdue when Golsen couldn't. I'm not saying he's heads and tails above GolsOn, but there is no doubt in my mind he's better suited for our offense against what we have coming up.

That's an opinion that can certainly be argued with valid points, but a false absolute isn't one of them.

At this point, I think deferring to the wisdom of the coaching staff has been earned by Brian Kelly and his crew, especially since many people (fans included) never thought we would even be at this point.

Now, it's NC this, NC that.

As the kids say, "smh."

 

[GoIrish41]

Next year we will all be very happy that Kelly hung with Golson this year. That experience is going to pay dividends for the next three seasons.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

1. I dont know why we didnt see any quick slants against the defense that brought everything in? Could it be that our recievers have an option route to run depending on what the defense shows? Like, if they see a defense sell out on the blitz, shouldnt their key be to run a quick slant? Maybe they are diagnosing coverages very well either. For the life of me, I can not figure out why no outs/slants/ or TE pop passes weren't called...let alone screens.

2. People act as if Golson has not made any progress. He certainly has, but its harder to see against top 10 defenses.

I think, for the sake of productivity, Kelly should just tell Golson if the line is breaking, and you are confused by the defense, just tuck the ball and run. Dont waste time rolling out 18 yards deep to try and find an open man. I think Kelly can do this while still emphasizing the fundamentals of his offense. It works well with Denard and Vince Young and would probably benefit the team tremendously since he is still so young.

3. I am more worried about our offensive line than I am Golson. We are getting beat by 3/4 down linemen. I dont blame Golson for having happy feet. No one can block for him. Tommy wouldve gotten hurt in a few games this year, we have no protection.

4. I think we have to be less trigger happy with the pass. CW needs more carries, and we can move the ball well running it. Our line does fairly well run blocking compared to pass blocking.

 

[aaronb]

I hope not, because then it's only a matter of time before Keil transfers. Maybe to Michigan or USC- then what?

I'm in agreement here.

I think that Kiel is the guy who is ultimately the future. I just want the guy who gives us the best chance to win now, until Gunner is ready for prime time.

 

[GBdomer]

No one understood my post.

 

[koonja]

Against MSU, UM, Stanford, Pitt, Maryland, and FSU alone last year, Tommy had 9 interceptions and 4 fumbles.

None of those teams besides FSU have defenses like this year's MSU, Stanford, maybe even UM.

 

[GoIrish41]

Against MSU, UM, Stanford, Pitt, Maryland, and FSU alone last year, Tommy had 9 interceptions and 4 fumbles.

None of those teams besides FSU have defenses like this year's MSU, Stanford, maybe even UM.

This

 

[dshans]

All right, enough already! This is not to be taken personally, aaronb (and others) – it's my "job." Don't hate me, don't love me ... just hear me out.

The word you need in the thread title is "rein," not "reign." To reign is to rule. To rein is to guide and control.

The reins are in the hands of Brian Kelly. Let us hope that ND reigns supreme over college football for years to come.

 

[koonja]

All right, enough already! This is not to be taken personally, aaronb (and others) – it's my "job." Don't hate me, don't love me ... just hear me out.

The word you need in the thread title is "rein," not "reign." To reign is to rule. To rein is to guide and control.

The reins are in the hands of Brian Kelly. Let us hope that ND reigns supreme over college football for years to come.

Will you proof-read my english paper for me?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Because we aren't going to keep winning if we have to come down to the final drive each and every week.

I feel like we would have won that game by a comfortable margin if the call to Rees had happened in the 2nd quarter.

That is conjecture. I am going off of facts. We ARE 6-0 with Golson starting and Rees finishing, if necessary. Like I said, why change what's working?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

That is conjecture. I am going off of facts. We ARE 6-0 with Golson starting and Rees finishing, if necessary. Like I said, why change what's working?

I think that argument has a counter-argument: Rees is 13-4 as a starter.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think that argument has a counter-argument: Rees is 13-4 as a starter.

Usually that would be a good counter, but not when Golson is 6-0.

 

[koonja]

I think that argument has a counter-argument: Rees is 13-4 as a starter.

Everett's 6-0.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Everett's 6-0.

True. But Tommy was 5-1 as a starter, and beat USC, Miami, and a good MSU team. I agree with everyone who says that Golson is 6-0 and he should start, but I don't think thats the strongest argument. There is more to it than that.

 

[WaveDomer]

The biggest problem for ND versus Stanford was penalties. Clean up the penalties and you aren't putting yourself in the hole. Golson is fine. His mistakes yesterday, the big ones, are fixable after a conversation with the HC. "When scrambling, get out of bounds." "Throw the ball away when you are sitting in the endzone. Better yet, I'll call a run." It's not that amazing to face a really good defense and struggle. But you know what? ND can play smashmouth football and win. That throw to Eifert was ridiculous. And as for a 2 minute offense, I give you the end of the Miami game for example. And yeah, we win behind our defense. Just like a ton of teams.

 

[Pachuco]

All right, enough already! This is not to be taken personally, aaronb (and others) – it's my "job." Don't hate me, don't love me ... just hear me out.

The word you need in the thread title is "rein," not "reign." To reign is to rule. To rein is to guide and control.

The reins are in the hands of Brian Kelly. Let us hope that ND reigns supreme over college football for years to come.

How 'bout those reigndeer games?

 

[koonja]

True. But Tommy was 5-1 as a starter, and beat USC, Miami, and a good MSU team. I agree with everyone who says that Golson is 6-0 and he should start, but I don't think thats the strongest argument. There is more to it than that.

Golson turns the ball over less, even though he started this year with less experience than Tommy started last year (with a more talented offense). How's that?