Operation Fast and Furious turning into Obama's Watergate.

[irishpat183]

Latino boom makes Orlando proving ground for Obama - CNN.com

Rubio can take care of that.....

 

[95NDAlumNM]

hahahahah...you really do not get it. Rubio? hahahahaha

 

[RyCo1983]

What the hell is with all these political threads lately.

Frankly I find it deplorable that you all want to talk politics on a football message board.

+1

Deplorable is a much nicer word than I had in mind.

 

[irishpat183]

hahahahah...you really do not get it. Rubio? hahahahaha

No, it's you that doesn't.

You don't think latino voters will back Rubio in the same fashion that black voters backed Obama? At least a portion of them?

Just take a look at the last election...95% of the black vote went to Obama. So you're telling me that 95% agreed with his stance on economic policy?

Don't make me laugh. Rubio will get his share of the latino vote, that is, if Romney takes him along for the ride.

 

[irishpat183]

+1

Deplorable is a much nicer word than I had in mind.

Plenty of other threads about Justin Grubl to visit......Thanks for your input.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

No, it's you that doesn't.

You don't think latino voters will back Rubio in the same fashion that black voters backed Obama? At least a portion of them?

Just take a look at the last election...95% of the black vote went to Obama. So you're telling me that 95% agreed with his stance on economic policy?

Don't make me laugh. Rubio will get his share of the latino vote, that is, if Romney takes him along for the ride.

Actually I know for sure we will not back him to that degree.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

These political threads are really stupid and dragging this board down in quality.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Because you cab then turn around and say American assault rifles are being used by Mexican drug cartel and we need tighter laws and even bans on certain firearms (eventually endings in all firearms). When they show you the "numbers" of these American guns used in these crimes the people are more receptive it even for these laws.

This is the crackpot reasoning that is driving this as an issue on the far right. As far as conspiracy theories go, this one is about as sensible as the moon being made of cream cheese.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Sorta crazy that with both stupid operations, movie titles played a big role. Operation Fast & Furious has, well, Fast &Furious. Watergate had Deep Throat, the name of the informant whom I believe tipped the whole thing off.

It's debatable which movie was worse, what is hardly debatable is that President Obama is more or less an amateur at this job. Say whatevrr you want about his policies, he is the absolute opposite of President Johnson in how he conducts himself. From the pathetic recovery, to communication failures with Congressional Democrats, to terrible Secretary choices, to how badly he's handled Russia/Iran.....he's job an absolutely miserable job. Just terrible..

I just have to ask. What kind of job do you think George W. Bush did?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Great article summarizing this fiasco.

If you think Obama is bad, wait until Biden takes over for him if he is impeached on this stuff. As usual, the cover up will be treated worse than the crime. Just like Al Capone being sent to jail for tax evasion. Too bad the election will save this moron the disgrace of impeachment.


Some other important points to the article:
"It’s important to note that the Bush administration oversaw something similar to Fast and Furious. Called Operation Wide Receiver, it used the common tactic of “controlled delivery,” whereby agents would allow an illegal transaction to take place, closely follow the movements of the arms, and then descend on the culprits. But Fast and Furious is different because it was “uncontrolled delivery,” whereby the criminals were essentially allowed to drop off the map. Perhaps more importantly, Wide Receiver was conducted with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Fast and Furious was not."

Impeached? Will never happen. Even if the radical right in the House does get a majority to impeach, they will NEVER get 2/3 of the Senate to remove him. Would be a huge waste of time, just like Clinton's impeachment debacle.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Tax cuts for the wealthy? Don't forget that the Bush tax cuts benefitted the middle class as well. Also, the rich paid more taxes in 2005 than anytime in the prior 20 years And GDP growth was the highest in 20 years. Unemployment fell to the LOWEST it had been since WWII.

One could say the Democratic congress screwed things up.

Also, the Katrina mess needs to stop. You need to focus your anger on the Mayor and Gov of LA...who spent money on Yachts and vactions out of the Levee funds. There was PLENTY of money for those levees to be repaired and it was all of a sudden unaccounted for. Not to mention....When someone tells you to evacuate a city because of a pending storm (2 weeks in advance) don't stick around and then complain that "no one helped". ANother tatic by the left to demonize Bush...the Katrina lies.

9/11....I don't blame him at all. It was what? 8 months into his first term??? I'll call that one out on Billy before I blame Bushy. Clinton had more to do with that than Bush. Talk about failed intelligence.


And I will say, Bush didn't really fix anything. I'm pissed that he didn't do anyting about our boarders. Wasn't the best pres, but definately catches too much crap for stuff he didn't create alone. Funny how people point the finger at Bush for things happing while he was in office, yet Obama gets the "well the republican congress" defense. Bush had a democatic congress nearly his entire time in office. Did we forget that?

So by your rationale, Bush is responsible for the economy, not Obama correct? I mean if Clinton was responsible for 9/11, then it stands to reason that Bush killed the economy before he left. Got it. By the way, how much longer than the 8 months was GW going to need to get up to speed on that one? If it had happened a year after he took office? 18 months? Just wondering.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

These political threads are really stupid and dragging this board down in quality.

Then leave the board and take your crying elsewhere. These political threads aren't clogging up anything that has to do with ND or football. There's no rule that says this site is for only Notre Dame. If there were we wouldn't have a Michigan recruiting thread, a thread dedicated to that moron Grubhl or any of our other off topic subjects. If you don't like politics or don't feel like hearing about them DON'T OPEN THE THREAD. The title makes it clear that it's about politics/Obama. This forum is a place for people to discuss Notre Dame and whatever else is on their mind so long as it isn't obscene. Put on your big boy pants, people.

 

[DSully1995]

RON PAUL 2012 WERE GOING ALL THE WAY!!!!

 

[In Lou I Trust]

RON PAUL 2012 WERE GOING ALL THE WAY!!!!

No arguments here.

 

[Rizzophil]

Comparing this to Watergate seems ridiculous to me. I'm not too bothered by this story. It wasn't the smartest operation in world history, but that isn't the first time we've been involved with a dumb operation. Voting to hold the AG of the United States in contempt of Congress is embarrassing.

People will be outraged about anything if it benefits them politically to be outraged, I guess. I don't see this as a political issue.

I think it's worse that Watergate because a) American soldiers died and b) the US gov't lied about it, covered it up, and now Obama put his name on the whole issue. This is unprecedented.

 

[irishpat183]

So by your rationale, Bush is responsible for the economy, not Obama correct? I mean if Clinton was responsible for 9/11, then it stands to reason that Bush killed the economy before he left. Got it. By the way, how much longer than the 8 months was GW going to need to get up to speed on that one? If it had happened a year after he took office? 18 months? Just wondering.

You should be comfortable with that. It's been beaten into the ground by the left.

And I didn't even say that Bush wasn't responsible for part of our economic break down. You can throw Bush, Clinton, and Barry in that blame pool.

 

[irishpat183]

Then leave the board and take your crying elsewhere. These political threads aren't clogging up anything that has to do with ND or football. There's no rule that says this site is for only Notre Dame. If there were we wouldn't have a Michigan recruiting thread, a thread dedicated to that moron Grubhl or any of our other off topic subjects. If you don't like politics or don't feel like hearing about them DON'T OPEN THE THREAD. The title makes it clear that it's about politics/Obama. This forum is a place for people to discuss Notre Dame and whatever else is on their mind so long as it isn't obscene. Put on your big boy pants, people.

^+1000


YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE THREAD.


Tell you what, next time you eat at your favorite restaurant, go next door to the other place in the middle of your meal and tell them how much you don't like their food. Yeah, it's that absurd.

 

[irishpat183]

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I just have to ask. What kind of job do you think George W. Bush did?

Here we go....The default argument of the left. How about demanding that the guy in office now take some responsiblity for his performance??

Are you kidding me? It's 4 YEARS LATER. That argument is used up. The only people that still use it, are ones that don't want to face the truth of how bad Barry has really been.

Bush was no all star. That is well documented. But move on. Obama is screwing up this country far worse than Bushy did. Getcha popcorn ready if he gets another crack at it.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Here we go....The default argument of the left. How about demanding that the guy in office now take some responsiblity for his performance??

Are you kidding me? It's 4 YEARS LATER. That argument is used up. The only people that still use it, are ones that don't want to face the truth of how bad Barry has really been.

Bush was no all star. That is well documented. But move on. Obama is screwing up this country far worse than Bushy did. Getcha popcorn ready if he gets another crack at it.

I didn't make an argument. I just wanted an honest opinion on W's job performance.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

How about Congress? What kind of job do you think they've done?

 

[Bluto]

I think it's worse that Watergate because a) American soldiers died and b) the US gov't lied about it, covered it up, and now Obama put his name on the whole issue. This is unprecedented.

Wait a second...didn't the previous administration blow up a whole country based on a bunch of half baked assumptions that resulted in a whole bunch of service men and women getting killed and maimed?

If Darrel Issa is indeed leading the charge on this investigation it should be stated for the record that he is a complete twit. Exhibit A was him personally bankrolling the recall effort of Gray Davis here in California. He then tried to get the GOP nod only to not get the nomination because the Governator decided to run. He actually cried in his concession speech. Anyhow, Arnie went on to bang his maid, have a love child and basically implement what was Gray Davis' agenda. Thanks Darrel.

 

[irishpat183]

Wait a second...didn't the previous administration blow up a whole country based on a bunch of half baked assumptions that resulted in a whole bunch of service men and women getting killed and maimed?

If Darrel Issa is indeed leading the charge on this investigation it should be stated for the record that he is a complete twit. Exhibit A was him personally bankrolling the recall effort of Gray Davis here in California. He then tried to get the GOP nod only to not get the nomination because the Governator decided to run. He actually cried in his concession speech. Anyhow, Arnie went on to bang his maid, have a love child and basically implement what was Gray Davis' agenda. Thanks Darrel.

So that justifies what this admin is doing? Are we playing the "well since he did this, we can do this" game??

Again, let's focus on what's going on now...not 4 years ago (as hard as it is for you)

 

[irishpat183]

How about Congress? What kind of job do you think they've done?

I think our government in general, has let down the American People.

Which is why I'm for less of it.

 

[Bluto]

Nope just challenging the assertion that this minor debacle is "unprecedented". I like to think I understand what is going on right now. I have only had one cup of coffee though.

 

[irishpat183]

I didn't make an argument. I just wanted an honest opinion on W's job performance.

Yeah, you did. By even asking that in the wake of his comment, you were looking for an argument.

Why would you bring up Bush, 4 years removed, in a conversation about Obama and his job performance?? What does my opinion of Barry have to do with the job that Bush did?

 

[FLDomer]

irishpat183 you are speaking my mind! I couldnt agree more with your past 20 or so post on this thread. Reps bro

 

[Bluto]

Yeah, you did. By even asking that in the wake of his comment, you were looking for an argument.

Why would you bring up Bush, 4 years removed, in a conversation about Obama and his job performance?? What does my opinion of Barry have to do with the job that Bush did?

The Bush track record and that of Congress during his term is indeed relevant. As are the policies of the Clinton administration, Bush 1 and on and on. It's called the historic record and hopefully examining it helps us understand how we got from point A to point B.

 

[irishpat183]

The Bush track record and that of Congress during his term is indeed relevant. As are the policies of the Clinton administration, Bush 1 and on and on. It's called the historic record and hopefully examining it helps us understand how we got from point A to point B.

What does Bush have to do with Fast and Furious and Eric Holder?

And while you make a point about "track records", it's not an invitation to constantly blame the previous admin. for your admin's shortcomings. Funny how only the "blame" is put on the previous admin, but no credit is given if there was something that worked out.

 

[irishpat183]

The Bush track record and that of Congress during his term is indeed relevant. As are the policies of the Clinton administration, Bush 1 and on and on. It's called the historic record and hopefully examining it helps us understand how we got from point A to point B.

Besides, Obama ran on the premise of "Change"...which there has been none of. He spends, goes to war, and lies.


Where is the change? OH! We've put more people on welfare than any other president in history.

Of course, until we stop voting in the same trash over and over again, there will never really be "change".

 

[DSully1995]

Besides, Obama ran on the premise of "Change"...which there has been none of. He spends, goes to war, and lies.


Where is the change? OH! We've put more people on welfare than any other president in history.

Of course, until we stop voting in the same trash over and over again, there will never really be "change".

Thats too, fundemental change in the way gov works hasnt happened. Only minor social issues gets altered. However I feel as if you say your statement in a way to show that republicans can offer the change, which isnt true (im assuming this because of the points you made before were all negative towards the curent potus)