Women in the Infantry and Ranger Battalion

[BobD]

Not all, but many (hopefully most) men have a natural born instinct to protect, help or come to the aid of women in distress. That will get soldiers killed.

We are at a point in time that we need fewer and fewer ground forces, there is absolutely no need to add women.

If women would like to contribute, let them come up with a way to end all wars.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Just wow.

Women that want to fit into that antiquated gender role will not end up in a special forces unit. They will be at home making pot roasts for all of the "real" soldiers. If the men in the unit cannot do their jobs just because a woman is doing her's, that sounds like their problem.

You can't let women onto these units just because of some well-intended idea about equality, but to have a rule that women aren't eligible makes no sense. Anyone that is capable should be allowed to do any job. If you think women are physically incapable of doing the job, what is the harm in letting them try if the standards are absolute?

 

[DSully1995]

Not all, but many (hopefully most) men have a natural born instinct to protect, help or come to the aid of women in distress. That will get soldiers killed.

We are at a point in time that we need fewer and fewer ground forces, there is absolutely no need to add women.

If women would like to contribute, let them come up with a way to end all wars.

I dont buy this Santorum ideology, so what you wont protect a your brother for anything? Soldiers are taught all troughout to be able to resist natural instincts, protectiong women wont be the reason for many deaths i find.

 

[BobD]

You guys should see what happens to weak men in these units. You have to trust me on this, it would be a disaster.

Do you watch the news? Do you see what happens to the women at the service academies?.....and those are suppose to be our best and brightest kids trying to become officers. In regular infantry units you have people who have been told to join the military or go to jail.

It's a bad idea.

 

[Rhode Irish]

You guys should see what happens to weak men in these units. You have to trust me on this, it would be a disaster.

Do you watch the news? Do you see what happens to the women at the service academies?.....and those are suppose to be our best and brightest kids trying to become officers. In regular infantry units you have people who have been told to join the military or go to jail.

It's a bad idea.

So we should forego capable women in favor of weak men? Got it.

And we should ban capable women from service because they are sexually assaulted too frequently? How does that make sense?

 

[BobD]

So we should forego capable women in favor of weak men? Got it.

And we should ban capable women from service because they are sexually assaulted too frequently? How does that make sense?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

We are talking about combat, killing and or being killed. I want to keep everyone, men and women away from it but since I can't, I can try to prevent people from being added to it. Anyone who says they WANT to go to combat is a fool, male or female.

Besides standing up for peoples rights we also have to protect them from themselves sometimes.

 

[DSully1995]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

We are talking about combat, killing and or being killed. I want to keep everyone, men and women away from it but since I can't, I can try to prevent people from being added to it. Anyone who says they WANT to go to combat is a fool, male or female.

Besides standing up for peoples rights we also have to protect them from themselves sometimes.

Oh gosh. How I'd love for that saying to be acted upon. Especially in my views of military involvement ironically.

Back on topic:
BobD you seem to have a closer understanding of the military than myself however I think that if women want and CAN (in no way by lowering standards) serve in the frontlines, have at it. If you want to I wont stop you from serving your country.

 

[mgriff]

Israel had a horrible experience with women in combat. They found that Arab men wouldn't surrender to women, and would rather fight to the death, which costs more lives. Israeli men were more apt to try and protect women than to actually complete the mission, resulting in a severe loss of life and mission capability for the units. Medics will also instinctively go to women first, even if she will live regardless of her injury and a man has a wound which he can survive from with the quick response of a medic. Debunking the Israeli ‘women in combat’ myth

My initial post was intended to be a little tongue in cheek, and the guys that have been in an infantry unit understand that. It was a play on the hyper-macho culture of the infantry, but honestly, there are some real issues to consider outside of the lack of standards.

You don't undo the wiring in our brains, the reason men fight and women do not is because they are more valuable than men. That's right, I said it. When we were hunter-gatherers the women stayed in the village not only because we were physically stronger, but because if a man died no big deal, if a woman died it really hurt our reproductive ability. One man with three women can have three children, three men with one woman can have one child. We aren't simply going to undo how we evolved to think because some PC general wants to have an experiment. I ****ing hate officers.

 

[phgreek]

I'm with Rhode on this for the most part. Standards must be established by those who understand how they translate to performance...then they must be maintained.

Most of my life I have watched standards be degraded to meet a political desire...as someone said "diversity for diversity's sake". While my personal opinion has always been that these endeavors cause more harm than good, I, like everyone else, have accepted them as a part of life. However, when the immediate cause of failure by a substandard team member is death, failure of a critical mission, and ultimately a reduction in capability...I would not go quietly into the night.

The military and medical school are two places where the reduction in entrance AND exit standards should NEVER have been tolerated...but alas they have been, and I'm sure folks have died for it. This needs to stop.

Special Forces...what do we call them if we reduce the requirements..."not really special...but better than average forces???" WTF??!?