Which Program Do you Hate the Most

Which Program Do you Hate the Most

  • Michigan

    Votes: 49 53.8%
  • USC

    Votes: 20 22.0%
  • Stanford

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • Michigan St

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Navy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Miami (FL)

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Ohio State

    Votes: 13 14.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.3%

  • Total voters
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Irish Joe

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My dislike for USC and Michigan is on the same level. I am willing to respect USC, however, because they've actually won things throughout their history.

I will never understand the national attention Michigan garners from accomplishing relatively so little.
 

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My dislike for USC and Michigan is on the same level. I am willing to respect USC, however, because they've actually won things throughout their history.

I will never understand the national attention Michigan garners from accomplishing relatively so little.

b/c the have cool helmets
 

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Growing up in Michigan, I could not stand either MSU or UM.

Now that I have moved south, and am in graduate school at Texas Tech, I've developed strong hatred for the damn aggies.
 

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Which Program Do you Hate the Most

In fairness they do have cool helmets.. Them and the Bengals maybe have the two most unique helmets in football IMO



You wanna get skunkbear fans riled up: Princeton and........(dum dum dum) OHIO STATE & MICHIGAN STATE wore winged helmets before scUM did. Yes that's right, the Fuckeyes and Shartans rocked the wing before their rival.

*However, it ain't who did it first, it's who did it best, and scUM clearly owns that, just like "PLACT" at ND
 
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You wanna get skunkbear fans riled up: Princeton and........(dum dum dum) MICHIGAN STATE wore winged helmets before scUM did. Yes that's right, the Shartans rocked the wing before their rival.

*However, it ain't who did it first, it's who did it best, and scUM clearly owns that, just like "PLACT" at ND

I always crack up when Spartans make fun of MI fans for their winged helmets and how stupid they looked...

Ummm you guys did it first... Michigan ripped you guys off

"Oh yeah, welllllll they looked better in green"
 

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Others schools definitely had the winged helmet before, but I think scUM was the first team to paint the "wing" on the brow of the helmet a different color than the back ground color.
 

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The first problem with Michigan is that their fans are assholes. They always almost laughably antagonistic for no apparent reason. None of our other regular opponents have fan bases that act that way. And there are many documented instances of them doing shit like sucker punching our fans in the face at away games that you just don't see at other away games.

The second problem is that their entire athletic program was founded on bigotry, and they still revere their bigots. They have buildings named after a KKK sympathizer who expressed literal hate for Catholics.

The third problem is that they traffic in bullshit. They've won half a title since basically the WWII era and yet they scream bloody murder about Notre Dame's "irrelevance." They haven't even won a conference title in over a decade while four other schools in their conference... including the school they call "little brother"... have won multiple. They claimed Notre Dame was "chicken" to play them (and lied about what other schools ND was still playing) while knowing full well we were trying to execute outs in basically all of our contracts to accommodate the ACC move. It all just adds up to a program I can't respect, at all. And we never should have let them back on our schedule.

I can give testimony to this. I was sucker punched in the restroom of the Big House, before kick off, at the 2009 game... I was a senior at Xavier, and my wife was a Sophomore at scUM. Good times.
 

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If you live in Ohio there is no worse fan base than Ohio state fans. People that I could get along with in every other phase of life, but when it comes to college football, complete d bags.
 

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Ohio State.
I don't much like Michigan or USC, and both have some incredibly arrogant fans, but I can respect them as programs and rivals.
Ohio State is so dirty and wrong that I can't really respect them. And yet they seem to always be rewarded for it. That leads to hate. I put them in the same camp as Florida State. Everything that's wrong with college football.
 

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I can give testimony to this. I was sucker punched in the restroom of the Big House, before kick off, at the 2009 game... I was a senior at Xavier, and my wife was a Sophomore at scUM. Good times.



IIRC, Whiskey said he was hit in the head with a full beer can in AA and needed stitches.
 

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USC is our biggest rival, but I hate Michigan the most. USC is a longstanding rivalry with mutual respect (this is why I'm ok with marrying a USC alum at the Basilica this fall). The below explains it all.

The Hand that Rocks the Cradle: Why We Hate Michigan - Her Loyal Sons

It’s here: Michigan Week. “Michigan,” a Chippewa word for “meh,” evokes many things to many people: collapsed infrastructure, invading asian carp and wolverines, a solitary creature whose Latin name (Gulo gulo) means “glutton.”

Does that mean anything to you, Michigan fan? Your mascot is a loner AND a glutton. Makes that Pure Michigan video seem kinda spot on, doesn’t it? And that b.s. Michigan spews about their commitment to academic excellence? Everywhere but for the football players, I guess. A GSR of 71, Michigan? Puts you behind LSU, that does. But I digress. As we start the run up to the big game, I want to explore the essence of why we hate Michigan. Join me.

We hate Michigan because Michigan tried to destroy our football program and embarked on a race-fuelled crusade to blackball Notre Dame and starve its young program of competition. At a time when Knute Rockne was nursing a team from scratch in South Bend, Michigan was a behemoth of the college football world. Its head coach, Fielding Yost, grew famous for his “point a minute” teams and earned a nasty reputation for winning at all costs. Fielding Yost was also a strident racist.

Notre Dame’s first win against Michigan came in 1909, a win that caused the Detroit Free Press to write “Eleven Fighting Irishmen wrecked the Yost machine this afternoon. Three sons of Erin, individually and collectively representing the University of Notre Dame, not only beat the Michigan team, but dashed some of Michigan’s greatest hopes and shattered Michigan’s fairest dreams.” Yost, ever gracious in defeat, cancelled the next year’s game and then refused to schedule Notre Dame for the rest of his career at Michigan. Which meant that Notre Dame didn’t play Michigan again until 1942, when Yost was gone and Elmer Layden and wartime restrictions put the local rivals together once more.

Yost’s hatred of Notre Dame likely stemmed from his massive ego and his native racism. The son of a Confederate officer and West Virginian, Fielding Yost hated three things in life: losing, blacks and Catholics. One can only imagine how the reporter’s words quoted previously must have affected him, for there was no small amount of code in those words “Irishmen” and “sons of Erin.” Everyone reading those words would have known that these were immigrants and Catholics. The irony of Yost’s efforts to kill the Notre Dame program by depriving it of the sustenance of games is that it forced Notre Dame to seek out opponents across the country, exposing it to more and more immigrants, who adopted the team as their own, if only out of religious affiliation. Thus, a nationwide brand developed and the Subway Alumni were born.

Broadside promoting a parade in South Bend. The one in South Bend in 1924 was cancelled by Sheriff Lane. Probably a good move.

It wasn’t easy being Irish in the 1920’s. As the nation’s economy turned and began to roar, jobs and money moved away from the fields and towards the factories. Cheap labor fueled those factories and it was blacks and immigrants that filled them. To most Hoosiers, that was a problem. The virulent anti-Catholic nature of the Klan put it in direct conflict with Notre Dame, which led to incidents both comical, like when a mob waited for the Pope to step off an arriving train in Manchester, Indiana, to the violent, such as the 1924 riots in which Notre Dame students and Klansmen battled in the streets. The cozy relationship between the Klan and South Bend government set the stage for a poisoned relationship between the two entities. The KKK certainly figured into Coach Rockne’s decision not to let his Irish play a team of Marines in a match promoted by a U.S. Senator with known Klan-sympathies.

Murray Sperber, in his 2002 book Shake Down the Thunder: the Creation of Notre Dame Football, described the proposed match thusly: ‘However, N.D. could not totally ignore Hoosier politics, and even its football team became involved in the controversy with the Klan. In March 1925, Indiana’s powerful United States senator, James E. Watson, wrote N.D. past president Father John W. Cavanaugh requesting his help in scheduling a game between Notre Dame and the Quantico Marines for December in Washington. Watson, a Republican, was socially friendly with Klan leaders and had supported Klan candidates in the 1924 election. Probably the senator wanted to exhibit his political muscle by making the Catholic school give over one of its most valuable prizes -a Notre Dame road game- but he underestimated Notre Dame’s independence.

Cavanaugh forwarded the request to Rockne, noting: ‘I have no use for Senator Watson and don’t suppose you will be interested in this proposition for a football game in Washington. …Personally I would not shake hands with the Senator nor would I write him any kind of letter for myself. …His connection with the K.K.K. in this state has put me on the side lines for life so far as he is concerned.’

Rockne offered to write to the senator on behalf of N.D. and he told Cavanaugh, ‘I will. ..give him the refusal of the Faculty Board’ as the excuse for not playing the Marines.”

But back to Yost’s racism. In 1929, Yost’s assitant, a fellow named Kipke, recruited a black athlete to play football at Michgian. Willis Ward, who was reportedly faster than Jesse Owens, arrived in Ann Arbor in 1929 and Kipke’s efforts earned him the ire and left hook of his boss, Fielding Yost. Simply put, Yost didn’t want a black on the team and he made good on his hate when, against Georgia Tech, a Southern term that simply wouldn’t play against a black, he sat Ward. This, according to the legend, caused Gerald Ford to storm into Yost’s office and quit in protest. Ward, again, according to the story, convinced Ford to play, for the good of the team. That, of course, is where Yost could have risen to the moment and, like Dan Devine in Rudy, called Ward’s name and put him on the field. Except, he didn’t.

So that’s why we hate Michigan. They tried to kill us as a program. While Notre Dame stood up to the KKK, Fielding Yost beat up his assistant for recruiting a black player and then benched him against a team whose racism matched his own. In those early days of the sport, the “Golden Age” of football, the schools deliberately chose opposite paths: Michigan an inward, isolated path and Notre Dame an outward, catholic path where all comers would be taken on. That’s why we hate Michigan. That’s why it’s more than a rivalry. It’s pure Michigan.
 

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The winged helmet like you see it today was Crisler copying IU's '33 version of the design. Crisler adopted the design while still the HC at Princeton in '35. Georgetown also copied the IU design in '35 Crisler then moved to Michigan in '38. Princeton then dropped the design (until the 90's). Kinda like the RTB, Fleck, WMU, Minny saga.

Basidally everyone doing in in the 30's dropped it except Crisler and UM.

...and Deleware didn't start doing it until the 50's.

The "winged" designs of Ohio St, MSU were different. OSU's wasn't anything similar really and MSU's had the wing w/ just one stripe down the middle, which though similar, looks completely different w/o the additional stripes.
 

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Growing up 15 min from the Michigan/Indiana line, there's no question.

Fuck Michigan.
 

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1.Michigan
2.Michigan
3.Michigan
4.Michigan
5.Michigan
6.Michigan
7.USC
8.BC
 

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Region checking in.

No.1IrishFan, Where you from? I'd say LaPorte but you may come back with Angola and make me look bad. Hell, you may be one of those renegade Amish with a cell phone you keep hidden in the barn you and your 13 brothers raised.

Doc, are you from Valpo or did ya move on up from Boone when your numbers hit?
 

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Region checking in.

No.1IrishFan, Where you from? I'd say LaPorte but you may come back with Angola and make me look bad. Hell, you may be one of those renegade Amish with a cell phone you keep hidden in the barn you and your 13 brothers raised.

Doc, are you from Valpo or did ya move on up from Boone when your numbers hit?



Lol
 

IrishSteelhead

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Which Program Do you Hate the Most

You ain't Region Steelie if you don't crack on the softies form Porter Co & East.



Gotta be nice to the guys from Kouts though, they make the best meth.

*In good Region news, my wife always complains she "doesn't feel safe" when we visit the fam in Glen Park and Brunswick (the neighborhoods are both like 75% Seniors), and she is from Evansville. Just saw a news story that the big E has become more dangerous than Gary, so you're damn right I'm pulling that card out next time she tries to drag my ass down there. "Sorry honey, just don't feel safe....."
 
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Region checking in.

No.1IrishFan, Where you from? I'd say LaPorte but you may come back with Angola and make me look bad. Hell, you may be one of those renegade Amish with a cell phone you keep hidden in the barn you and your 13 brothers raised.

Doc, are you from Valpo or did ya move on up from Boone when your numbers hit?

lol I'm from Elkhart. How about you?
 

BobbyMac

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Gotta be nice to the guys from Kouts though, they make the best meth.

*In good Region news, my wife always complains she "doesn't feel safe" when we visit the fam in Glen Park and Brunswick (the neighborhoods are both like 75% Seniors), and she is from Evansville. Just saw a news story that the big E has become more dangerous than Gary, so you're damn right I'm pulling that card out next time she tries to drag my ass down there. "Sorry honey, just don't feel safe....."

That's funny, all my family is from E-Ville. I was the mill spawn after Dad got a job at Youngstown. There's a good reason why E-Ville has more murders than Gary, everybody from Gary either moved or was murdered. There's no one left to kill.
 

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For me it's sc by a mile! I was at Disneyland for New Year's eve wearing a ND sweatshirt some guy gives me a 'fight on and F ND'! So for that reason along with many others they get my vote!!!
 

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Gary/City/Valpo/ yada yada yada Scottsdale.

I live in Valpo (transplant from central Indiana). I never really got the whole "Region" mentality until I moved up here.
You're not part of Chicago so they refuse to claim you and most of Indiana doesn't claim you either b/c they think you're part of Chicago.
 

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Region checking in.

No.1IrishFan, Where you from? I'd say LaPorte but you may come back with Angola and make me look bad. Hell, you may be one of those renegade Amish with a cell phone you keep hidden in the barn you and your 13 brothers raised.

Doc, are you from Valpo or did ya move on up from Boone when your numbers hit?

Grew up in South Bend, Been in Valpo since '95
 

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Gotta be nice to the guys from Kouts though, they make the best meth.

*In good Region news, my wife always complains she "doesn't feel safe" when we visit the fam in Glen Park and Brunswick (the neighborhoods are both like 75% Seniors), and she is from Evansville. Just saw a news story that the big E has become more dangerous than Gary, so you're damn right I'm pulling that card out next time she tries to drag my ass down there. "Sorry honey, just don't feel safe....."

Best meth is Stark County....
 
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