Urban Meyer Already Starting to look

[Rhode Irish]

Add we don't like his gimmick offense.

Please, L.A. is not gainesville, the queen can't just simply throw reporters out and call them out because he doesn't like what is said about him or the conduct of his players.

Post one remark that Kiffin has made while back at USC that has been a scandal in the L.A. papers? He and Ed have been as quiet as a church mouse, sans his theatrics and accusations while coaching in the SEC. We simply would not tolerate it....more the fools in Tennessee for allowing it.

When some of the reaction from USC fanboards was posted here in the wake of their appeal being denied, I thought I had seen all the evidence that I would ever need that USC fans aren't just the worst fans in college football, but also the most delusional.

Now USC fans are trying to convince themselves that Lane Kiffen is preferable to Urban Meyer? Whatever basis you have for your dislike of Meyer (trust me, we understand - he isn't very popular around here, either), you can't deny the man's competence. Kiffen, on the other hand, has never succeeded as a head coach and has been run out of town everywhere he has tried.

If what you say is true - that the USC fanbase would rather keep Kiffen than replace him with Meyer - then all I can say is I wish the fans were running USC instead of Pat Haden. You people don't deserve Pat Haden.

 

[IrishInFl]

Don't know why this is a surprise...even with our universally hated HC. We'd rather have Kiffin.

Don't like the drama queen, emotionally soft, gimmick offense creep. He could NEVER handle the L.A. media, he would be a PR nightmare. Kiff has kept his mouth shut out here, and doesn't care what anyone thinks.

He belongs in Texas with the queens out there. They own several pairs of well worn knee pads, one for grandpa Mack, the other for Vince Young. We're too laid back for him.

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[IrishLax]

When some of the reaction from USC fanboards was posted here in the wake of their appeal being denied, I thought I had seen all the evidence that I would ever need that USC fans aren't just the worst fans in college football, but also the most delusional.

Now USC fans are trying to convince themselves that Lane Kiffen is preferable to Urban Meyer? Whatever basis you have for your dislike of Meyer (trust me, we understand - he isn't very popular around here, either), you can't deny the man's competence. Kiffen, on the other hand, has never succeeded as a head coach and has been run out of town everywhere he has tried.

If what you say is true - that the USC fanbase would rather keep Kiffen than replace him with Meyer - then all I can say is I wish the fans were running USC instead of Pat Haden. You people don't deserve Pat Haden.

Might want to lay off the personal stuff....

But yeah, it's hard to dislike a guy who dominated at Utah and then dominated at Florida... where neither program did much before he got there. He's an A+ college football coach with multiple NCs.... whereas Kiffen hasn't won anything.

Objectively, it's clear who I would rather have running my program looking just at coaching resumes.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Wait...what personal stuff? I'm not saying anything personal about anybody. Talking about an entire fanbase can hardly be considered personal, right? I don't take any of that stuff back. Those people are crazy. However, I have never gotten into any personal stuff about another person on a message board, and I don't believe in it. So if I said something someone took as personal, if it is pointed out to me I will gladly edit it out.

 

[Trojan Princess]

Look, I'll bow out of here, but let me make one thing perfectly clear...I grew up loving Notre Dame, and I wish nothing but that the Irish win every other game save one. Even against PAC-12 teams. There are several great Domers on WeAreSC, one that is my favorite poster period, including my own.

So, if you wish this to remain strictly a Notre Dame board, without honest opinion (and not disrespectful) from an outsider, then I'll close this account. I have had the pleasure to welcome and feed many visiting fans from Notre Dame, just as I've been welcomed in South Bend.

God Bless.

 

[IrishLax]

Look, I'll bow out of here, but let me make one thing perfectly clear...I grew up loving Notre Dame, and I wish nothing but that the Irish win every other game save one. Even against PAC-12 teams. There are several great Domers on WeAreSC, one that is my favorite poster period, including my own.

So, if you wish this to remain strictly a Notre Dame board, without honest opinion (and not disrespectful) from an outsider, then I'll close this account. I have had the pleasure to welcome and feed many visiting fans from Notre Dame, just as I've been welcomed in South Bend.

God Bless.

I encourage you to keep posting. Always good to hear the other side of things. And you seem incredibly rational (even if people disagree with your opinion).

 

[IrishInFl]

Look, I'll bow out of here, but let me make one thing perfectly clear...I grew up loving Notre Dame, and I wish nothing but that the Irish win every other game save one. Even against PAC-12 teams. There are several great Domers on WeAreSC, one that is my favorite poster period, including my own.

So, if you wish this to remain strictly a Notre Dame board, without honest opinion (and not disrespectful) from an outsider, then I'll close this account. I have had the pleasure to welcome and feed many visiting fans from Notre Dame, just as I've been welcomed in South Bend.

God Bless.

There are opposing team fans on IE that are very good posters (maison bleu for example). When you come on and write that you'd rather have Kiffen over Meyer, you're going to get called out.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Look, I'll bow out of here, but let me make one thing perfectly clear...I grew up loving Notre Dame, and I wish nothing but that the Irish win every other game save one. Even against PAC-12 teams. There are several great Domers on WeAreSC, one that is my favorite poster period, including my own.

So, if you wish this to remain strictly a Notre Dame board, without honest opinion (and not disrespectful) from an outsider, then I'll close this account. I have had the pleasure to welcome and feed many visiting fans from Notre Dame, just as I've been welcomed in South Bend.

God Bless.

Woah woah woah. Geez don't leave. Nobody said your opinion isn't welcome. I was just sharing my opinion that some of the stuff that was said by USC fans after USC's appeal was denied by the NCAA was a bit absurd, and that I don't get the logic that would dictate Kiffen is preferable to Meyer. That doesn't mean you, Trojan Princess, or any other USC fan is not entitled to disagree with me.

I think if you come to another board and say something provocative you can expect to get some reaction. That doesn't mean you aren't welcome.

I really didn't think I was saying anything offensive. I do apologize. I'm not trying to chase anyone out of here. This certainly isn't MY place.

 

[beryirish]

There are opposing team fans on IE that are very good posters (maison bleu for example). When you come on and write that you'd rather have Kiffen over Meyer, you're going to get called out.

^this...it is nice to get an "outsider" giving their opinions. Stay on and keep posting. Don't take things personally it's all opinions. Rhode Irish is just a big bully

One request Trojan Princess....can you put your picture back up with the USC girls????? Please and thank you!

 

[IrishLax]

There are opposing team fans on IE that are very good posters (maison bleu for example). When you come on and write that you'd rather have Kiffen over Meyer, you're going to get called out.

Sheesh. While I agree with what you're saying, I think you could take it a little easier on a new guy. I don't think he said anything that crazy... there are plenty of reasons to not want Meyer.

 

[IrishLax]

^this...it is nice to get an "outsider" giving their opinions. Stay on and keep posting. Don't take things personally it's all opinions. Rhode Irish is just a big bully

One request Trojan Princess....can you put your picture back up with the USC girls????? Please and thank you!

hahahahaah seriously!

 

[Rhode Irish]

Rhode Irish is just a big bully

Ha! Untrue!

 

[IrishInFl]

Sheesh. While I agree with what you're saying, I think you could take it a little easier on a new guy. I don't think he said anything that crazy... there are plenty of reasons to not want Meyer.

Agreed, like that he's an ******* (not my words, Gene William's told me). He also gave preferential treatment to the Orlando-Sentinel UF beat writer.

BTW, saying Kiffen is a good coach is crazy.

 

[Trojan Princess]

Woah woah woah. Geez don't leave. Nobody said your opinion isn't welcome. I was just sharing my opinion that some of the stuff that was said by USC fans after USC's appeal was denied by the NCAA was a bit absurd, and that I don't get the logic that would dictate Kiffen is preferable to Meyer. That doesn't mean you, Trojan Princess, or any other USC fan is not entitled to disagree with me.

I think if you come to another board and say something provocative you can expect to get some reaction. That doesn't mean you aren't welcome.

I really didn't think I was saying anything offensive. I do apologize. I'm not trying to chase anyone out of here. This certainly isn't MY place.

Huh? I don't understand how that is provacative, Meyer the Liar is NOT your coach, and Lane is ours to deal with. Your coach is your business, and I could care less. I think Kiffin is no worse than Meyer. Difference is Kiff is known to us, and he didn't pull the crap at SC that he did in the SEC.

So far, he's kept his mouth shut, if that changes, he'll be gone.

 

[ACamp1900]

We have a handfull of good Michigan and MSU fans here that are well respected... just don't troll and you won't be treated unfairly ( and you certainly have NOT trolled)...

but I agree I don't see how Kiffen>>Meyer works... at all...

and personally think both are scumbag coaches with dark pasts... but only one of the two has done anything beyond that, and it ain't Lane Kiffen...

just my two cents.

 

[Trojan Princess]

OK...here is a link from a bRUIN USC hater site...on the Song Girls..enjoy.

RIVAL WITH A CAUSE: USC SONG GIRLS TAKE THE SC PLUNGE FOR CHARITY | The Trojan-Haters Club

 

[IrishLax]

Huh? I don't understand how that is provacative, Meyer the Liar is NOT your coach, and Lane is ours to deal with. Your coach is your business, and I could care less. I think Kiffin is no worse than Meyer. Difference is Kiff is known to us, and he didn't pull the crap at SC that he did in the SEC.

So far, he's kept his mouth shut, if that changes, he'll be gone.

I think he meant provocative in the sense that whenever someone says they'd take a coach with a "meh" resume over a coach with BCS championships... it's a bold statement that is sure to generate some conversation.

For me it's interesting that Kiffen has changed his attitude (or at least his antics) since coming over from Tennessee; couldn't Meyer do the same? Is Meyer's demeanor and attitude your biggest hangup? Or is it the fact that he is a huge liar and hypocrite?

I agree Meyer's offense is gimmicky... but gimmicks have worked for him at both Utah and Florida quite effectively. And Oregon runs a gimmicky offense now too and it seems to be quite effective.

 

[Trojan Princess]

The Song Girls official site...

The World Famous USC Song Girls - Official Website

 

[ACamp1900]

I would say in college football the spread is NOT a gimmick at this point.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Guys, I know her from other sites, and she's good people. She's a great addition, and I think most of the comments (if not all) have been fair, on both sides. It's a good discussion, and I hope you keep it going. And if not, I just approved the Song Girl pictures (Princess - if you have under 10 posts and you post a link, it has to be approved by a mod. It stops spammers), and though I haven't looked at the pictures yet, I've seen them in person and they are pretty damn spectacular!

 

[Trojan Princess]

I think he meant provocative in the sense that whenever someone says they'd take a coach with a "meh" resume over a coach with BCS championships... it's a bold statement that is sure to generate some conversation.

For me it's interesting that Kiffen has changed his attitude (or at least his antics) since coming over from Tennessee; couldn't Meyer do the same? Is Meyer's demeanor and attitude your biggest hangup? Or is it the fact that he is a huge liar and hypocrite?

I agree Meyer's offense is gimmicky... but gimmicks have worked for him at both Utah and Florida quite effectively. And Oregon runs a gimmicky offense now too and it seems to be quite effective.

First let me say that I posted two sites with tons of photos of the Song Girls (G-rated) that require moderator approval, lol.

Not surprising how Lane has conducted himself at SC. As you know, we also have a large and powerful group of "golf clap" alums and boosters who contribute a lot of money to the university, and they will not tolerate our coach calling out another PAC-12 coach and bickering like drama queens. The university has raised almost one billion dollars in fundraising since Oct. 2010...any misconduct would jeopardize that, administration and Lane know that.

Meyer runs a gimmick offense, and there is a long list of his "lies" everywhere he has been...I have a link to one of your own sites that chronicles all the false promises of staying, then packing up and leaving the next few days every where he's been.

Lane made it very clear to Tennessee that USC was his "dream job", so they had an idea of what Kiffin would do when offered the job. There was even a big to-do about Lane and his coaching staff attempting to turn TN into USC of the south. It didn't go over very well.

But, no thanks on Meyer...ever.

 

[Trojan Princess]

Guys, I know her from other sites, and she's good people. She's a great addition, and I think most of the comments (if not all) have been fair, on both sides. It's a good discussion, and I hope you keep it going. And if not, I just approved the Song Girl pictures (Princess - if you have under 10 posts and you post a link, it has to be approved by a mod. It stops spammers), and though I haven't looked at the pictures yet, I've seen them in person and they are pretty damn spectacular!

Haha, there were two sites I posted, evidently the one from the hated bRUINS was not...but it is respectful, and the photos are from the "Swim with Mike" fundraiser that helps students with disabilities.

 

[ACamp1900]

Haha, there were two sites I posted, evidently the one from the hated bRUINS was not...but it is respectful, and the photos are from the "Swim with Mike" fundraiser that helps students with disabilities.

It helps USC fans???

 

[NDinL.A.]

First let me say that I posted two sites with tons of photos of the Song Girls (G-rated) that require moderator approval, lol.

Not surprising how Lane has conducted himself at SC. As you know, we also have a large and powerful group of "golf clap" alums and boosters who contribute a lot of money to the university, and they will not tolerate our coach calling out another PAC-12 coach and bickering like drama queens. The university has raised almost one billion dollars in fundraising since Oct. 2010...any misconduct would jeopardize that, administration and Lane know that.

Meyer runs a gimmick offense, and there is a long list of his "lies" everywhere he has been...I have a link to one of your own sites that chronicles all the false promises of staying, then packing up and leaving the next few days every where he's been.

Lane made it very clear to Tennessee that USC was his "dream job", so they had an idea of what Kiffin would do when offered the job. There was even a big to-do about Lane and his coaching staff attempting to turn TN into USC of the south. It didn't go over very well.

But, no thanks on Meyer...ever.

A lot of USC fans think the spread is gimmick - many ND fans used to think so as well under CW - because of their affinity for the pro-style offense. I used to think the same, until teams started winning championships using the spread. Then I was like, "Sign me up!" Gimmicks attract fans, but they don't win multiple championships. The spread has helped win several championships...it's no longer a gimmick IMO.

Oh, and Princess, you don't have to convince us about the swine that is Urban Liar:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/44778-urban-liars-antics-list.html

 

[Veer option]

I approve of the wet Song Girl links!

 

[beryirish]

The Song Girls official site...

The World Famous USC Song Girls - Official Website

ehh thank you!!!!

 

[Trojan Princess]

A lot of USC fans think the spread is gimmick - many ND fans used to think so as well under CW - because of their affinity for the pro-style offense. I used to think the same, until teams started winning championships using the spread. Then I was like, "Sign me up!" Gimmicks attract fans, but they don't win multiple championships. The spread has helped win several championships...it's no longer a gimmick IMO.

Oh, and Princess, you don't have to convince us about the swine that is Urban Liar:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/44778-urban-liars-antics-list.html

I can understand the temptation of adapting the spread after years of not winning championships (for us, 20 years before PC), but I feel very strongly that you owe your players exactly what a university owes it's general student population....preparation for the next level.

The players a program sends to the NFL is a universities legacy, it's difficult for the coaching staff to win while figuring out how to defend these gimmicks, but it can be done, that's what they get paid for. There have been trick offenses throughout CFB history, and eventually they all get figured out and become yesterdays system.

I believe sticking to tradition and running a pro set offense is why USC still brought in a top 5 recruiting class. Reading the responses from recruits why they selected a heavily sanctioned USC , the responses were they felt USC would better prepare them for the next level.

 

[Trojan Princess]

A lot of USC fans think the spread is gimmick - many ND fans used to think so as well under CW - because of their affinity for the pro-style offense. I used to think the same, until teams started winning championships using the spread. Then I was like, "Sign me up!" Gimmicks attract fans, but they don't win multiple championships. The spread has helped win several championships...it's no longer a gimmick IMO.

Oh, and Princess, you don't have to convince us about the swine that is Urban Liar:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/44778-urban-liars-antics-list.html

I saved this from several years ago...

"This is a long term process (building a football program). I always say there are only about eight or 10 really good football programs where year in and year out they win."
Source: Urban Meyer Press Conference, November 13, 2002


"We are nowhere near what we can do here. That's what's driving me right now. Everybody's worried about those other places; nothing's going on."
Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002


"I was contacted by one, but I'm not interested. I love it here. We have a lot of work to do. That's the bottom line."
Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002


"With recruits, that's been for two years, even before we won. [They say,] 'that guy's not going to be there very long'; that's silly ... The future is fantastic here ... I'm proud to be the football coach here. Once they get to know me, know my family, know how important it is to have continuity, my kids going to school somewhere."
Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002


"I think you all but guarantee that you are one of the top two, three teams in the league every year if you get that [new athletic facility] here. I feel so strong about the academics, about the community, the environment, about the people. It's the last piece; it's a significant piece."
Source: Bowling Green Sentinel, December 6, 2002


"In the words of any Bowling Green football player today: 'I thought we were your family.' Bowling Green's players are understandably angry at Meyer for leaving. Every day he would preach team loyalty. Meyer carried his we-are-family concept to the extreme, even bunking in the same dorm with the Falcons during preseason workouts."
Source: Toledo Blade, December 13, 2002


"Notre Dame is my dream job."
Source: Memory, January 1, 2003


"It [leaving Bowling Green] was one of the hardest things I've ever done. It was devastating. I didn't realize — and maybe I wasn't thinking clearly — but I thought it was going to be one of those things where you shake hands, give a big hug and say 'good luck.'"
Source: Deseret News, October 5, 2004


"First of all, I love it here. But I'm second fiddle. My family is No. 1, and they love it here. As long as we're filling the stadium, as long as we're continuing to grow as a program and as long as I feel these student-athletes are getting the best opportunity to be a top 25 program — which I think it is — I'm going to be the coach here."Source: Deseret News, October 30, 2004


"I plan on coaching here for a long time."
Source: Deseret News, November 15, 2004


"Meyer told the New York Times last week, 'I'm chicken. It would be excruciating to leave. When I left Bowling Green, it was the worst three months.'"
Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004


"Wrote Mike Sorenson, 'It's been well-documented that Meyer's wife, Shelley, was a big factor in Meyer taking the Utah job. She wanted to move back to the West because she enjoyed the family's time in Colorado when he was an assistant at Colorado State. Shelley and the kids seem to love the outdoor lifestyle, and she has told friends and neighbors that they aren't going anywhere.'"
Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004


"Mike Sorenson wrote, 'Some folks may question his loyalty because he left Bowling Green after just two years. But Meyer has said, the six months after that was one of the hardest times of his life, because he felt so bad for leaving. Does he really want to go through that again just two years later?' [um, yes.]"
Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004


"I plan on coaching at Utah next year. There's been no contact made. Period. It's almost comical. We're playing the biggest game in the history of the school and we're talking about that. That's nothing to do with nothing. [Shelley Meyer served her employer 2-weeks notice the next day.]"Source: Deseret News, November 17, 2004


"Wrote Antony A Engligh, "Shelley will be heavily involved in Meyer's next move. 'She's a coach's wife, that's what she does for a living,' Bud Meyer said. 'It's a big job. It's a job that she (wants) to be informed, but she does a very good job.'""
Source: St. Petersburg Times, November 17, 2004


"There's been no contact and I really don't anticipate any. I'm certainly not looking for a job. I love where I'm coaching."
Source: Deseret News, November 18, 2004


"When asked by a young boy if he was going to be the coach next year, Urban replied very directly, 'I plan on being the coach at the University of Utah next year.'"
Source: Urban Meyer Coach's Show, November 18, 2004


"As long as I'm married, I'll be the coach at Utah. [exact date unknown, source is a local sports show]"
Source: Memory, November 20, 2004


"Though Meyer is frequently mentioned as a candidate for more lucurative coaching jobs, he denies any contact has been made. 'I'm not out looking, so if someone's waiting for me to pick up the phone it's not going to happen,' said Meyer. And there's little chance of that over the next four days. Meyer plans to turn his telephone off over the holiday break while he spends lost time with his family. He isn't expecting a lot of calls, anyhow. Word is out that he loves Utah, Meyer explained, and schools are funny about that. Despite speculation to the contrary, including a Florida fan-based Web site that reported a deal with Meyer has already been reached, the coach insists he represents himself. And that no talks have taken place. 'I don't have an agent. People are trying to get me to have one, but I'm just not comfortable with that kind of stuff,' said Meyer. 'I'm coaching my team and taking care of my family.'"
Source: Deseret News, November 24, 2004


"[When asked about Florida:] No. I have no real comment. All I keep saying is I plan on being the coach here at Utah."
Source: Deseret News, November 30, 2004


" It's not about prestige and it's certainly not about money. In today's climate, you don't have time to build a program. Too many coaches are let go before they can build a program."
Source: Deseret News, December 2, 2004


"I'm going to a place where I think we can really win, because no good can come of losing. Losing is never good."
Source: Deseret News, December 2, 2004


"I'm the head coach at Utah. If for some reason I'm not, I still anticipate coaching in the bowl game."
Source: Deseret News, December 3, 2004


"This was a family decision. University of Florida has been in the mix since the day, uh [pause] after our rival game. ... There was no intention to hurt a great university [Notre Dame], including this university [Utah the afterthought]."
Source: ESPN SportsCenter, December 4, 2004


"Recruiting at Utah doesn't start 'till January. That's when these kids that wanted to go to USC and UCLA find out they won't be and then the Utes get them."
Source: Press Conference, December 4, 2004


"I didn't want to put Utah into disarray. I had to do this now to protect Utah."
Source: KUTV News, December 4, 2004


"I am certainly excited about the opportunity to be the head coach at the University of Florida. There were a lot of factors that went into this decision that our entire family had to consider. The opportunity to compete at the highest level at one of the nation’s most-respected academic institutions is something that was attractive for us."
Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004


"The quality of recruits within the state of Florida and the Southeast Region offers a tremendous recruiting base for us."
Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004


"There's no such thing as luck, there's a big word called investment. If there was luck, why work as hard as we do. I've never been involved in a game where the most invested team lost."
Source: GatorZone.com, December 4, 2004


"[Referring to Florida:] This is a place you can put your feet down hopefully for a long time."
Source: ESPN, December 7, 2004


"I have no aspirations to coach in the NFL None whatsoever. It's all about the pageantry and tradition of college football, which in my opinion is second to none."
Source: ESPN, December 7, 2004


"This is a place you can put your feet down for a long time. It's over [moving every 2 years]. I'm not doing this again."
Source: GatorSports.com, December 8, 2004


"If he goes to the NFL, you can call me a liar," his wife, Shelley, said. "That's not happening."
Source: GatorSports.com, December 8, 2004


"In the words of any Bowling Green football player today: 'I thought we were your family.' Bowling Green's players are understandably angry at Meyer for leaving. Every day he would preach team loyalty. Meyer carried his we-are-family concept to the extreme, even bunking in the same dorm with the Falcons during preseason workouts."
Source: Toledo Blade, December 13, 2004

 

[NDinL.A.]

I can understand the temptation of adapting the spread after years of not winning championships (for us, 20 years before PC), but I feel very strongly that you owe your players exactly what a university owes it's general student population....preparation for the next level.

The players a program sends to the NFL is a universities legacy, it's difficult for the coaching staff to win while figuring out how to defend these gimmicks, but it can be done, that's what they get paid for. There have been trick offenses throughout CFB history, and eventually they all get figured out and become yesterdays system.

I believe sticking to tradition and running a pro set offense is why USC still brought in a top 5 recruiting class. Reading the responses from recruits why they selected a heavily sanctioned USC , the responses were they felt USC would better prepare them for the next level.

That used to be true, and pro-style system coaches could say that. But there are plenty of spread players becoming highly drafted players, most notably Sam Bradford and sCam Newton.

Now, some players are better suited for pro systems, especially RBs and QBs, and they should go to colleges that have systems that fit their games (and that includes spread-type players as well).

And the reason, I believe, those players go to USC (besides the free houses - just kidding! sort of LOL) is b/c they produce so many damn NFL players. You say it's the system, and that could be true. But I say it's more to do with the coaches developing them and putting them in position to be seen nationally as great players. Many of those players have been big-time busts and/or underachieved, but they get drafted and they get paid, and in the end, the college is supposed to set them up for that...

 

[Trojan Princess]

That used to be true, and pro-style system coaches could say that. But there are plenty of spread players becoming highly drafted players, most notably Sam Bradford and sCam Newton.

Now, some players are better suited for pro systems, especially RBs and QBs, and they should go to colleges that have systems that fit their games (and that includes spread-type players as well).

And the reason, I believe, those players go to USC (besides the free houses - just kidding! sort of LOL) is b/c they produce so many damn NFL players. You say it's the system, and that could be true. But I say it's more to do with the coaches developing them and putting them in position to be seen nationally as great players. Many of those players have been big-time busts and/or underachieved, but they get drafted and they get paid, and in the end, the college is supposed to set them up for that...

That free rent (not house) was provided by a would be agent. Like Notre Dame, there is a long standing history and tradition there to attract players - it helps USC that it is in a area rich wit talent. USC and Notre Dame have had the most players drafted, and the most Pro Football HOFers......while pumping out players in a pro set system. Let's see what happens from here on out.

I think having two players, #1 and the #2 (only a few votes behind the winner) voted DPOY is a pretty good ratio of current success.