UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[arahop]

Do any of you guys think that these UFO's could be from another dimension?

Im open minded to that for sure. Highly recommend a podcast on Spotify called Patterns tell stories. The went over something that happened to a US intelligence officer named Jay Stratton at skinwalker ranch.

 

[INLaw]

That's a known logical fallacy: appeal to authority. Who they are is meaningless. The valid evidence is all that matters, and they have none. "I saw" and "I think" and "I can't explain" aren't credible evidence. Let me know when you have an actual alien, an alien body, some actual alien tissue, a real spacecraft, some wreckage that's unambiguous, some materials or technology that we can examine and are clearly alien, anything real besides very suspect grainy video and speculation without evidence. Until then, you have nothing.

Well then my good sir how do you explain the existence of one Lester Claypool

 

[Sea Turtle]

Im open minded to that for sure. Highly recommend a podcast on Spotify called Patterns tell stories. The went over something that happened to a US intelligence officer named Jay Stratton at skinwalker ranch.

My thoughts are that if you are a believer, then you believe in a Heavenly dimension. You also believe in one that holds the evil one and his minions. So maybe either, something from these two are entering ours or there maybe other dimensions that the bible is silent about.

 

[arahop]

That's a known logical fallacy: appeal to authority. Who they are is meaningless. The valid evidence is all that matters, and they have none. "I saw" and "I think" and "I can't explain" aren't credible evidence. Let me know when you have an actual alien, an alien body, some actual alien tissue, a real spacecraft, some wreckage that's unambiguous, some materials or technology that we can examine and are clearly alien, anything real besides very suspect grainy video and speculation without evidence. Until then, you have not

Whatever floats your boat and helps you sleep at night..
Look up and research the Calvine Photo and get back to me. Before you claim it's a fraud it's already been verified to be an original and undoctored photo.

Seems like you have it already figured out. Your name isn't Mick West or Steven GreenSsreet by chance is it?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Whatever floats your boat and helps you sleep at night..
Look up and research the Calvine Photo and get back to me. Before you claim it's a fraud it's already been verified to be an original and I doctored photo.

Seems like you have it already figured out. Your name isn't Mick West or Steven GreenSsreet by chance is it?

Whatever floats my boat is genuine, verifiable evidence. That's how science works. You have absolutely none.

 

[arahop]

Whatever floats my boat is genuine, verifiable evidence. That's how science works. You have absolutely none.

 

[arahop]

'Best' UFO Picture Ever, the Calvine Photo, Found After 30 Years Missing

The British Ministry of Defence had kept the mysterious image secret, but a copy made decades ago has blown the case wide open.

www.newsweek.com

I'm not going to research for ya,.
Closed minds remain closed

The two men who took the photo went missing shortly after and were never seen or heard from again. True story Bojangles

 

[IrishWayDomer]

There are a million UFO videos out there. There are so many that no one cares when another comes out at this point. And also, it's not like the people capturing the videos are sitting there waiting with a $20,000 camera, they're using phone zooms which distort at like 2x. But there are videos everywhere of UFOs.

Speaking of dimensions, curious if anyone's gone down the portal rabbit hole.

 

[arahop]

Wouldn't all of this be top secret information they are talking about? Shouldn't they face charges?

Congress is trying to pass amnesty laws, most whistleblowers have hired lawyers and are walking a tight rope, but there is strength in numbers and many people in Congress are championing it.

Per AI
In November 2024, the "UAP Whistleblower Protection Act" (H.R. 10111) was introduced in the House of Representatives. This bill aims to extend whistleblower protections to federal personnel who disclose the use of federal funds for evaluating or researching UAP materials. The proposed legislation seeks to amend existing laws to include disclosures related to UAPs under protected whistleblower activities.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Grainy, easily faked or misinterpreted video. And not a single speck of testable, verifiable physical evidence. No body, no tissue, no technology, no materials, no wreckage, no anything. Don't be gullible. Be scientific and follow the evidence. When you get some, by all means share it with us.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Well then my good sir how do you explain the existence of one Lester Claypool

You, sir, make a very valid point!

 

[arahop]

Grainy, easily faked or misinterpreted video. And not a single speck of testable, verifiable physical evidence. No body, no tissue, no technology, no materials, no wreckage, no anything. Don't be gullible. Be scientific and follow the evidence. When you get some, by all means share it with us.

Keep your head in the sand and don't look up Bojangles

 

[Bishop2b5]

Keep your head in the sand and don't look up Bojangles

Keep my head in the sand about what? You don't have a single speck of verifiable, testable, legitimate evidence. None. Zero. Zilch. There's absolutely nothing of substance to overlook or ignore. I believe in science and evidence. Until you have some, this is just fantasy nonsense. Produce some legit evidence for your claims instead of getting butthurt that people won't accept your claims without evidence.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

I had a UFO experience 2 years ago during deer hunting, and it was pretty boring on one hand, but also pretty great because it lasted 20-25 minutes so I had time to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.

I hunt the same public land every year. It's a 2 mile dirt road and I'm always the first one there because I hate disrupting other hunters and I like to take my time getting in my stand. I park my truck facing the forest and wait for the next hunter's headlights in my rear view, and when I see them I get out and start moving.

Anyway, I'm in my truck facing the forest and there's a line of tall pines about 250 yards in front of me. Obviously no light pollution so it's fun seeing the stars over the tree line and in the sky and it's 5am sharp. All of a sudden one of the bright stars starts moving really weird. I click my eye lids a few times and it's still moving in a random pattern at a steady speed, up, down, diagonal, across. It never ventures too far from it's place, but constant motion all over the place with in that area. I think I'm going crazy. I wonder if it could be a drone but it's ~5 degrees at 5am, and this is a giant swath of public land, it makes no sense that it's a drone, and it doesn't look or act like a drone. There are no other roads to get into this plot (which is one reason why I'm always first one there, there will be 15 trucks by 8am). There are hundreds of stars right next to this dancing one as a point of reference, all remain completely still as you'd expect, besides this one.

I step out because I'm wondering if there's wind. I know wind would affect the trees swaying, and could project movement among the stars (even though it's only one star moving), but it's dead calm. I then try to take video after video of it but 250 yards is a long way and the video is worthless.

The next hunter came at 5:22am so I got to see this thing for almost 25 minutes. It never stopped moving, no other stars moved, and it was completely random pattern. It reminded me of the plinko game and how the balls would move. No other explanation makes any sense, it was an orb of some sort. It's not that exciting but it absolutely was not anything I've ever seen or could explain, and I saw it clear as day, sober, coffee in my hand for 20 minutes straight and it was dancing the whole time. If anyone's had a similar orb experience I'd love to get your take on it.

 

[arahop]

Keep my head in the sand about what? You don't have a single speck of verifiable, testable, legitimate evidence. None. Zero. Zilch. There's absolutely nothing of substance to overlook or ignore. I believe in science and evidence. Until you have some, this is just fantasy nonsense. Produce some legit evidence for your claims instead of getting butthurt that people won't accept your claims without evidence.

There has been visual confirmed by radar, FLIR, radar... also allegedly recovered crafts, Gary Nolan has tested the molecular structure at Stanford. You want a UAP/UFO to land in your yard and run some tests.


Best of luck!

 

[Irish#1]

Per this article, they think the hikers mistook the Harrier for a UFO.

UFO enigma cracked as infamous UK case 'finally solved'

The "Calvine UFO" was snapped in the Scottish area of the same name by two hikers on August 4, 1990 - and now an expert believes they have finally cracked the case

www.irishstar.com

After a thorough examination of the controversial image, Mr Bara debunked the speculations of an alien spaceship or a top-secret military aircraft in his 35-minute YouTube expose.

By comparing images of the location where the UFO was originally photographed, he noticed inconsistencies with what should have been visible in the background terrain.

With meteorological data from the time of the photograph in hand, Mr Bara noted that cloud coverage ranged from 1,500 feet to 2,500 feet, indicating that it was exceedingly low and descending further.

Superimposing the picture of the supposed UFO over a recent photo of the same vicinity, aligning markers such as fence posts, he deduced that the bizarre shape was indeed a mirage caused by weather conditions.

He unravelled the enigma by stating: "What you are looking at here is not a flying UFO, but something else. The Calvine UFO lines up with the mountain in the background perfectly. So what happened?

"I think it is pretty obvious what happened. There was an inverted cloud layer here, fog, down on the ground in the valley, probably right up to the fence and they took a picture of the Harrier Jet, which was streaking around for whatever reason, maybe doing exercises, and the peak of this background mountain was sticking through the clouds, probably at about 2,500 feet.

"Two guys took a picture of a Harrier and then realised there looked like there was a UFO and probably thought why don't we turn it into the press to maybe get some money. The Calvine UFO is not a UFO, it is not a flying object. I understand that for some people this is going to be hard to take but you have to go where the evidence goes. We can say the Calvine UFO mystery is solved.

 

[Bishop2b5]

There has been visual confirmed by radar, FLIR, radar... also allegedly recovered crafts, Gary Nolan has tested the molecular structure at Stanford. You want a UAP/UFO to land in your yard and run some tests.


Best of luck!

Do you hear yourself? Confirmed by radar and FLIR? Confirmed what? A contact of some sort? OK, that could be anything. That you can't identify it isn't remotely close to confirming that it's alien. Allegedly recovered crafts? Allegedly? Do you really not see the problem here? It's always allegedly, supposedly, unconfirmed, something mysterious, weird lights, really bad video, hard to explain, somebody saw, and so on. NEVER here is an unambiguous bit of evidence that can be tested and verified. You know, the way science works. Show us something real. Show us some actual evidence.

 

[arahop]

Per this article, they think the hikers mistook the Harrier for a UFO.

UFO enigma cracked as infamous UK case 'finally solved'

The "Calvine UFO" was snapped in the Scottish area of the same name by two hikers on August 4, 1990 - and now an expert believes they have finally cracked the case

www.irishstar.com

Do you hear yourself? Confirmed by radar and FLIR? Confirmed what? A contact of some sort? OK, that could be anything. That you can't identify it isn't remotely close to confirming that it's alien. Allegedly recovered crafts? Allegedly? Do you really not see the problem here? It's always allegedly, supposedly, unconfirmed, something mysterious, weird lights, really bad video, hard to explain, somebody saw, and so on. NEVER here is an unambiguous bit of evidence that can be tested and verified. You know, the way science works. Show us something real. Show us some actual evidence.

So for something to show up on radar going incredible speeds and defying the laws of our known physics that object has to be physical.

We are talking speeds 3 times faster than a rockert turning At 90 degree angles with zero loss of speed. Combustible engines and modern rocketry, missiles can't accomplish that.

Have a good day Mick West!

 

[Bishop2b5]

Again, all you're doing is presenting completely unverified claims and suppositions and easily falsified evidence that nobody can examine or verify. Sorry we don't agree with you, but there's a good reason that science requires actual evidence and proof. Let us know if you ever have any. Right now, you have nothing remotely close to compelling evidence. If you're right, why so much trouble producing a single shred of actual evidence?

 

[arahop]

Again, all you're doing is presenting completely unverified claims and suppositions and easily falsified evidence that nobody can examine or verify. Sorry we don't agree with you, but there's a good reason that science requires actual evidence and proof. Let us know if you ever have any. Right now, you have nothing remotely close to compelling evidence. If you're right, why so much trouble producing a single shred of actual evidence?

Men much smarter than you are studying this scientifically. Men much smarter and with better credentials than you have witnessed extraordinary things for over 70 years and are scientifically testing things that you and I aren't privy to.
Lots of smoke to the subject but it's not like going to wilderness and discovering a new animal. Imagine trying to study something that can phase in and out of our dimension.

Radar and eye witness testimony is very valuable data. There will be more to come. Time will tell the story.

The truth is out there and it's being studied more than ever. Just had to be destigmatized first. And technology like FLIR infrared technology has made it possible.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Men much smarter than you are studying this scientifically. Men much smarter and with better credentials than you have witnessed extraordinary things for over 70 years and are scientifically testing things that you and I aren't privy to.
Lots of smoke to the subject but it's not like going to wilderness and discovering a new animal. Imagine trying to study something that can phase in and out of our dimension.

Radar and eye witness testimony is very valuable data. There will be more to come. Time will tell the story.

The truth is out there and it's being studied more than ever. Just had to be destigmatized first. And technology like FLIR infrared technology has made it possible.

Sure thing. Let us know when they have anything credible to show us.

 

[Irish#1]

So for something to show up on radar going incredible speeds and defying the laws of our known physics that object has to be physical.

We are talking speeds 3 times faster than a rockert turning At 90 degree angles with zero loss of speed. Combustible engines and modern rocketry, missiles can't accomplish that.

Have a good day Mick West!

You seem to protest a little too quickly. I simply posted an article that contradicted your take on Calvine. You didn’t provide info that refutes the article.

I don’t know if there are others out there or there are vehicles that can move in ways that defy logic. I use to believe there were but as I’ve gotten older, I believe a little less. With all of the sightings over the years I wonder why they haven’t contacted us or we don’t have concrete proof.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You seem to protest a little too quickly. I simply posted an article that contradicted your take on Calvine. You didn’t provide info that refutes the article.

I don’t know if there are others out there or there are vehicles that can move in ways that defy logic. I use to believe there were but as I’ve gotten older, I believe a little less. With all of the sightings over the years I wonder why they haven’t contacted us or we don’t have concrete proof.

I think the odds that there are other intelligent lifeforms in the universe are extremely high. I just don't think that any of the stuff we've seen over the years has anything to do with such aliens. Everything we know or even think to be theoretically possible says travel across hundreds of light years in anything less than thousands of years is all but impossible. At least outside of TV and movies or science fiction novels. Also, the idea that a civilization advanced enough to travel to us wouldn't be able to then observe us without detection is ridiculous.

 

[arahop]

You seem to protest a little too quickly. I simply posted an article that contradicted your take on Calvine. You didn’t provide info that refutes the article.

I don’t know if there are others out there or there are vehicles that can move in ways that defy logic. I use to believe there were but as I’ve gotten older, I believe a little less. With all of the sightings over the years I wonder why they haven’t contacted us or we don’t have concrete proof.

I didn't mean to quote your quote but it got linked with Bishops. I respect your article but have done extensive research to that photo and the happenings of the photographers which is summed up in the Rogan/Fox interview and checks out from what I find.

iMO opinion contact has certainly happened and there is a lot to the cover up. Imagine a world where everything you thought to be true wasn't. It's indeed protected more that the atomic bomb. The ontological shock is too much for people who aren't open to the what ifs so to speak.

A study was done on revealing contact and NHI/aliens( and I hate using aliens because I think that term implies something that may not be true....thats a different topic altogether) to us and the repercussions on humanity. the government did this study after Orson Wells War of the Worlds radio broadcast several decades ago and our government deemed it was too much for the mass populous. Some people offed themselves. The technology implies a science we can't understand and possible zero point energy. That's a deep dive and another interesting topic.The Internet makes it harder for a cover up these days.

There isn't going to be a billboard from a Non Human intelligence that says we're here.

Look up 97 Phoenix lights and that's the
closest thing you get to that billboard.
Governor Fife who made a mockery at the time and ran with the stigma now admits that he saw something extraordinary but didn't want to cause chaos.

I'm here to exercise the stigma of the topic that has hindered true scientific discovery.

This phenomenon is so far ahead of us or superior that I don't believe we have the intelect as humans to ever understand in our current times or scientific models but nonetheless doesn't mean it's not true and in fact exists. The ego of mankind is something.
The truth is out there but may not be meant to be understood.

 

[arahop]

I think the odds that there are other intelligent lifeforms in the universe are extremely high. I just don't think that any of the stuff we've seen over the years has anything to do with such aliens. Everything we know or even think to be theoretically possible says travel across hundreds of light years in anything less than thousands of years is all but impossible. At least outside of TV and movies or science fiction novels. Also, the idea that a civilization advanced enough to travel to us wouldn't be able to then observe us without detection is ridiculous.

Obtuse thinking and scientific ego has handicapped your thinking. You assume that they use modern rocketry and live our life span. What if they aren't biological? What if there are portals? What if they can travel magnitudes faster than the speed of light. What if they've always been here.
What if it's innterdimensional. What if it's ultra terrestrial .What if they are spiritual. What if they are time travelers. So on and so on. The point is we don' know. But there is more evidence that whatever this is exists.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Do any of you guys think that these UFO's could be from another dimension?

I’m leaning toward future humans or interdimensional beings guiding us into the cosmic kindergarten.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm tired of opening this thread periodically expecting to find bodies - and getting nothing

 

[Redbar]

I'm tired of opening this thread periodically expecting to find bodies - and getting nothing

There is a really simple fix for that…

 

[PolishDomer]

Do we know if they have DTs they can provide us?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Do we know if they have DTs they can provide us?

Damn you. I was just going to post that