U$C Fallout

[GreatGolson]

How will the scandal at SC affect ND recruiting, we usually lose a few recruits to them each year, perhaps now we get a few of those guys? Just want to hear your thoughts about it.

 

[irish4ever]

How will the scandal at SC affect ND recruiting, we usually loose a few recruits to them each year, perhaps now we get a few of those guys? Just want to hear your thoughts about it.

IMO, very little. It's usually doesn't come down to a U$C vs ND decision. Normally, when both U$C and ND are in the mix for a recruit there are other top notch teams to contend w/ as well .... Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, etc. So for those types of recruits, ND is competing against a lot more than just U$C!

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

If you had to pay a 18 year old kid money to go to southern California you should be slapped.Texas, Florida and U.S.C. dont really recruit or shouldnt have too. If we can keep clean recruiting at a Catholic school in Indiana then USC should be to pay alot more than what happened.

 

[ACamp1900]

in reality if the NCAA had dropped the hammer two months earlier it could very well have given landed us Prater and Henderson... and we do in fact go after a ton of the same players, so it will help... but the above poster pointed out correctly... we also battle other top schools for htese caliber of kids.

 

[KLirishfan1]

Well Lane Kiffin has done it again!! A clear disreguard for rules!! Glad Fisher blasted him!! The guy really has something not wired right upstairs or is he just a total jerk!! Soo glad he is at USC!! Cant think of a better program for that idiot to run into the ground!!!!

 

[BGIF]

in reality if the NCAA had dropped the hammer two months earlier it could very well have given landed us Prater and Henderson... .

No.

Neither one of those two were ND bound, even if USC got the death penalty.

 

[Legacy]

How will the scandal at SC affect ND recruiting, we usually lose a few recruits to them each year, perhaps now we get a few of those guys? Just want to hear your thoughts about it.

The only three that I can think of that have mutual interest in and offers from USC and Notre Dame are: Kasen Williams, George Atkinson, and Antonio Richardson.

Both classes are filling up. USC has 11 commits, but four from this class will be early entrees. (Two commits are listed as "Soft verbals".) So, the Trojans have eight more scholies before they reach the imposed NCAA limit.

So far, the Trojans have had seven transfers - Seantrel Henderson, Malik Jackson (to Tenn), Jordan Campbell (Louisville), Travon Patterson (Colo), Byron Moore (to JC), DJ Shoemate (UConn), Jarvis Jones (Ga). Two others were lost prior to sanctions. More transfers will certainly impact the Trojans' depth.

Atkinson has said the recent sanctions will not play a part in his decision, has USC in his favorites, and has not visited ND. But he has ND in his top 5 even without a visit. Alabama, Oregon and Miami are the other three. He is planning visits to Ala and Miami and has visited Ore and USC. Without a visit, George is not a realistic possibility. His twin brother Josh has been offered by - and is high on - Oregon. ND has offered both.

OL and LB are positions of need for USC for 2011. Kasen Williams may be looking at the three top receiving prospects who are in this year's 2010 class, who are expected to push for playing time, as well as sanctions.

Richardson is in the process of cutting his list and had a very good visit to ND by reports. He is one of five OTs USC has offered - two of whom have other teams as favorites. He has not visited USC.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The only three that I can think of that have mutual interest in and offers from USC and Notre Dame are: Kasen Williams, George Atkinson, and Antonio Richardson.

Both classes are filling up. USC has 11 commits, but four from this class will be early entrees. (Two commits are listed as "Soft verbals".) So, the Trojans have eight more scholies before they reach the imposed NCAA limit.

So far, the Trojans have had seven transfers - Seantrel Henderson, Malik Jackson (to Tenn), Jordan Campbell (Louisville), Travon Patterson (Colo), Byron Moore (to JC), DJ Shoemate (UConn), Jarvis Jones (Ga). Two others were lost prior to sanctions. More transfers will certainly impact the Trojans' depth.

Atkinson has said the recent sanctions will not play a part in his decision, has USC in his favorites, and has not visited ND. But he has ND in his top 5 even without a visit. Alabama, Oregon and Miami are the other three. He is planning visits to Ala and Miami and has visited Ore and USC. Without a visit, George is not a realistic possibility. His twin brother Josh has been offered by - and is high on - Oregon. ND has offered both.

OL and LB are positions of need for USC for 2011. Kasen Williams may be looking at the three top receiving prospects who are in this year's 2010 class, who are expected to push for playing time, as well as sanctions.

Richardson is in the process of cutting his list and had a very good visit to ND by reports. He is one of five OTs USC has offered - two of whom have other teams as favorites. He has not visited USC.

Nice incite...

With regards to Kasen Williams, I don't see him going to SC. I think Washington is the obvious team to beat out... Hopefully Kelly can warm him over.

 

[ACamp1900]

No.

Neither one of those two were ND bound, even if USC got the death penalty.

I disagree.... especially on Prater... he was close as it was... Henderson may have just played it all up... who knows... either way though it doesn't matter now.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

This will not affect us at all. U$C will still get their players in CA but it will be more competitive now with UCLA, WASH, OR, and CAL.

Prater narrowed his choices to Ala, Tenn, Illinois, Okla, and U$C. We has no chance of landing him. Henderson was big on Ohio St and Mia and both teams left an open scholarship for him.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I disagree.... especially on Prater... he was close as it was... Henderson may have just played it all up... who knows... either way though it doesn't matter now.

Prater narrowed his choices to Ala, Tenn, Illinois, Okla, and U$C. We has no chance of landing him. Henderson was big on Ohio St and Mia and both teams left an open scholarship for him.

I'm going to disagree with both of you here, all due respect. From what 2 recruiting insiders have said, ND was always in Prater's top 3. However, while Prater always said publicly that ND was #2, both insiders said he was never going to come to ND. In fact, when Pete the Cheat left SC, Prater went back home for a week and was contemplating what to do - and suddenly Oklahoma became his preferred choice, not ND, even though he said we were his "#2". People close to him think ND was always in his top 3 b/c several people in his family wanted to see him there.

And with Henderson, it seems kind of the same deal in a way. Looks like he put ND in his top 5 for appearances sake, but NEVER seriously considered coming here.

Originally Posted by Reggie Bush
This will not affect us at all. U$C will still get their players in CA but it will be more competitive now with UCLA, WASH, OR, and CAL.

Sorry Reggie, but historical evidence says you are wrong. This could effect ND for sure. We annually compete with SC for top players.

Jimmy Clausen chose ND over SC. Dayne Crist chose ND over SC. Shaq Evans chose ND over SC. Manti Teo chose ND over SC. And that was when SC was at its peak.

Meanwhile, Jawanza Starling chose SC over ND. Byron Moore chose SC over ND. Reggie Bush chose SC over ND. Marc Tyler chose SC over ND. Chris Gallipo chose SC over ND. And that's just off the top of my head. I could seriously go on and on.

The only reason it hasn't affected us this year is because A. The SoCal crop as a whole is down this year. Juts ask SC, who can't find a good instate offensive linemen to save their lives. B) The recruits that ND was interested in all had deep roots to SC that no ND coach was going to change no matter what. C. It'll take a little for Denbrock and Co to get in good with the high school coaches, players , etc, and people want to see what Kelly will bring to the table.

But make no mistake, if the sanctions are upheld, this will help ND for years to come (and yes, it will help other schools as well)...

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

$C will still get those players, they just have to pick and choose who to offer scholarships.

$C will not fall out for lack of talent, but rather lack of depth.

As far as recruiting went, many players wanted to play for Weis under the pro style offense.

And can you imagine a player like Henderson who barely passed clearinghouse come to ND? I don't think so.

 

[NDinL.A.]

$C will still get those players, they just have to pick and choose who to offer scholarships.

$C will not fall out for lack of talent, but rather lack of depth.

As far as recruiting went, many players wanted to play for Weis under the pro style offense.

Again, they didn't get Clausen, they didn't get Crist, they didn't get Shaq, and they didn't get Manti, among others. And had they had those sanctions 2 years ago, they would have probably only taken one of Starling and Moore, meaning ND would have gotten one.

And as far as the pro-style offense, you're right - offensively. Not for Manti Te'o though. And Starling was genuinely torn between SC and ND, so much so that he didn't fax in his LOI after he chose SC, b/c he still wasn't sure. You put sanctions in there, and he's all Irish.

Saying this will affect other schools and not ND goes against all evidence to the contrary.

 

[bdes]

IMO what will hurt $C more than the sanctions is the douche with the clipboard, yea that's right Lane Kiffin will completely crumble $C for years to come, I'm calling it.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I'm wondering, like others have posted on another thread, how the hell Kiffen got all these high profile head jobs in the first place. His father must have some massive clout.

 

[bdes]

I'm wondering, like others have posted on another thread, how the hell Kiffen got all these high profile head jobs in the first place. His father must have some massive clout.

I often wonder the same thing...

USC WR Coach - ? What helped produce Mike Williams?
Raiders HC - where he worked as Al Davis's bitch before being fired and not accomplishing anything.
Tennessee HC - didn't accomplish anything there either.

Then he gets hired as $C HC. I'm ok with it but idk how he pulled it off. Also judging by his last 2 jobs I think it's a good sign for us Irish fans. Looks like its our time to win a damn game.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Again, they didn't get Clausen, they didn't get Crist, they didn't get Shaq, and they didn't get Manti, among others. And had they had those sanctions 2 years ago, they would have probably only taken one of Starling and Moore, meaning ND would have gotten one.

And as far as the pro-style offense, you're right - offensively. Not for Manti Te'o though. And Starling was genuinely torn between SC and ND, so much so that he didn't fax in his LOI after he chose SC, b/c he still wasn't sure. You put sanctions in there, and he's all Irish.

Saying this will affect other schools and not ND goes against all evidence to the contrary.

I was specifically talking about CA players. DeAnthony Thomas will most likely play for $C because of Monte Kiffin and his Tampa 2 defense. It is not a matter of losing players to other schools with $C in my opinion.

George Farmer will most likely be joining his good friend and teammate Woods. Sure some kids will choose ND over $C but that was already occurring like you have stated. Do you really think Farmer will pick ND over $C solely on sanctions. I doubt it. There are other more significant reasons that players choose other teams like coaches, playing time, depth and certain schemes where they would strive and many of the teams in the PAC-10 run the same offensive and defensive schemes.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I was specifically talking about CA players. DeAnthony Thomas will most likely play for $C because of Monte Kiffin and his Tampa 2 defense. It is not a matter of losing players to other schools with $C in my opinion.

George Farmer will most likely be joining his good friend and teammate Woods. Sure some kids will choose ND over $C but that was already occurring like you have stated. Do you really think Farmer will pick ND over $C solely on sanctions. I doubt it. There are other more significant reasons that players choose other teams like coaches, playing time, depth and certain schemes where they would strive and many of the teams in the PAC-10 run the same offensive and defensive schemes.

You're completely missing my point. You say the sanctions won't affect ND's recruiting vs. SC. That's not true. We battle with them yearly for recruits. If they only have 15 guys to recruit, that means they have to be much more selective. That means that guys who had ND #2 to SC's #1, might not get recruited by SC as hard or not at all, which means ND swoops in and collects.

And if you think the sanctions won't affect some guys, you haven't been paying attention to recruiting. Sure, guys like Farmer (I know the h.s. coaches at Serra...he's been all SC since his freshman year) and Thomas, who grew up loving SC, will stay true to them. But other recruits have been saying that it has given them pause. And you can bet that others might not say it but you know they have to be thinking it. One major reason kids go to SC is to compete for NC's, and if SC loses 30 scholarships (plus their inability to play in a bowl game these kids' freshmen year), they will not be playing for NCs. It's just too damn hard b/c of their lack of depth.

It won't affect CA recruits as much as it will OOS recruits, but it will affect them and ND, hopefully, will be there from 2011-2015 to pick up some great players, like we already have.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

What Titans' lawsuit really says about Lane Kiffin - CFB News - FOX Sports on MSN

"You knew it was going to happen. Somebody's actually sued Lane Kiffin.

Who had "Monday" in the office pool?

Remember when Al Davis was ranting and raving about Lane Kiffin and we all thought Al sounded like a crazy old man?

Right now, I'd believe anything Al Davis says about him.

And Al isn't the only one saying it. Not anymore. There are people who are disliked in every industry, and it's whispered about. Or grumbled, behind their backs, behind closed doors. There are people who are disliked and outsiders may never hear about it. Sure, they are disliked. But it would be gauche to say so out loud.

Lane Kiffin has apparently passed that point.

And this happens right after USC made a big show out of "turning over a new leaf." Of no longer making the wrong kind of news.

Oops."

 

[dshans]

"He's gotten us to consider the possibility that maybe Al Davis hasn't lost it after all."

Kiffin in a nutshell.

 

[Irish.Ca]

To : New AD of USC

From : The Devil

Hi Pat, its the Devil here, good luck on your new job. Bet you thought it was going to be a great place to work with all of the sun and young ladies etc running around with golden tans and "free love" attitudes towards any male found at USC.

You must be punished for your horrible job in broadcasting over the last, well; forever.

So, guess what. My step son Petie has left your program in shambles and my ever-so-popular and not-so-bright nephew Lane is currently at the helm of your sinking ship.

So have fun and god bless.

Nah.

 

[Irish52]

USC vs ND recruits

USC vs ND recruits

How will the scandal at SC affect ND recruiting, we usually lose a few recruits to them each year, perhaps now we get a few of those guys? Just want to hear your thoughts about it.

If a recruit narrows his choice down to USC and ND, I would hope he would select USC. If he can't make a judgement that clearly places ND, in every important aspect of college life, over USC, then he can't make the proper judgement on the football field. This recruit is using ND for leverage. This recruit invariably points to academics as an important factor in his decision and then selects USC with a 55% player graduation rate.

 

[Irish.Ca]

What if the player had aspirations to become a plastic surgeon and wanted to do a case study throughout their post-secondary education on breast augmentation as their thesis for a PHD?

I would't blame them, talk about shooting fish in a barrell!

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

You're completely missing my point. You say the sanctions won't affect ND's recruiting vs. SC. That's not true. We battle with them yearly for recruits. If they only have 15 guys to recruit, that means they have to be much more selective. That means that guys who had ND #2 to SC's #1, might not get recruited by SC as hard or not at all, which means ND swoops in and collects.

And if you think the sanctions won't affect some guys, you haven't been paying attention to recruiting. Sure, guys like Farmer (I know the h.s. coaches at Serra...he's been all SC since his freshman year) and Thomas, who grew up loving SC, will stay true to them. But other recruits have been saying that it has given them pause. And you can bet that others might not say it but you know they have to be thinking it. One major reason kids go to SC is to compete for NC's, and if SC loses 30 scholarships (plus their inability to play in a bowl game these kids' freshmen year), they will not be playing for NCs. It's just too damn hard b/c of their lack of depth.

It won't affect CA recruits as much as it will OOS recruits, but it will affect them and ND, hopefully, will be there from 2011-2015 to pick up some great players, like we already have.

I guess we will wait and see.

ND may pick up a player or two like any other year but the impact will be even more apparent with other Pac-10 teams. UCLA has been using the sanctions as leverage for players for years just like any other team in the country. They will have the most leverage because they share the same city so players families can watch their sons play ball. Look at Shirley, a highly recruited $C guy and Neuhiesel got him. People are acting like the sanctions leverage is new for college football when in reality teams have been probably using that for years when they were under investigation.

 

[johnnykillz]

To : New AD of USC

From : The Devil

Hi Pat, its the Devil here, good luck on your new job. Bet you thought it was going to be a great place to work with all of the sun and young ladies etc running around with golden tans and "free love" attitudes towards any male found at USC.

You must be punished for your horrible job in broadcasting over the last, well; forever.

So, guess what. My step son Petie has left your program in shambles and my ever-so-popular and not-so-bright nephew Lane is currently at the helm of your sinking ship.

So have fun and god bless.

Nah.

Awesome.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Ha. Read this one on my yahoo home page, dont know if anyone has posted it yet. USC keeps trying to keep themselves further and further away from the name "Reggie Bush". Recently took him out of their media guide, after at first having him in it. They went from saying they have 7 heisman winners to having 6. Didnt touch their national championships though. Bunch of low life mother.... well you get it.

USC media guide continues to scrub Bush from history - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF* - Yahoo! Sports

 

[BGIF]

If a recruit narrows his choice down to USC and ND, I would hope he would select USC. If he can't make a judgement that clearly places ND, in every important aspect of college life, over USC, then he can't make the proper judgement on the football field. This recruit is using ND for leverage. This recruit invariably points to academics as an important factor in his decision and then selects USC with a 55% player graduation rate.

Proper judgement on the field???

Te'o, Crist, Evans, Wood, etc, etc ... You gonna tell them to leave because they strongly considered attending USC?

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Ha. Read this one on my yahoo home page, dont know if anyone has posted it yet. USC keeps trying to keep themselves further and further away from the name "Reggie Bush". Recently took him out of their media guide, after at first having him in it. They went from saying they have 7 heisman winners to having 6. Didnt touch their national championships though. Bunch of low life mother.... well you get it.

USC media guide continues to scrub Bush from history - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF* - Yahoo! Sports

AP NC will always exist. They already stated that they don't care since they did earn it on the field.

 

[dshans]

I'm not a fan of USC's football program by any means, but it's a damn good school. That the university allows certain athletes "special status" with lowered academic standards is reprehensible. That they turn a blind eye to improper dealings between student athletes and agents, marketing representatives and boosters is damnable.

There are, however, many, many opportunities for serious students; be they football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, softball, lacrosse, rugby, futbol or ping pong players. Varsity, club, intramural or pick-up among classmates is of no consequence.

Painting with broad strokes is fine – if coating a wall quickly and completely is your goal. Not so if you intend to highlight (and vilify) just one aspect of a school's comportment.

The school's we love to hate all have their academic strong points. Any student, athlete or not, can take advantage and gain tremendously from them. Believe it or not, many schools have academic programs equal to or better than Notre Dame's in many areas.

Hell, I'd have been better off at USC (shudder!) since my interest was film and video production. ND dropped Communication Arts as a degree track just as I attempted to declare it my major. It has since been revived and is thriving, but I still feel a tad resentful and think "piss off" when I get invitations to attend events related to film and video programs at ND that always include a solicitation for contributions.

Condemn, rightfully, a school for its lax and abominable attitude (and oversight) in dealing with "student athletes." Guard against "throwing out the baby with the bath water."

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well... USC has ugly uniforms.