Two NYC Cops Shot In Ambush

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De Blasio has helped keep relative peace. These killings were awful but nothing he could stop. For the size of the protests they were very peaceful. De Blasio has handled a difficult situation pretty well. The NYPD's union doesn't understand that they are supposed to serve the people of New York, the prope who chose De Blasio in a landslide.
 

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De Blasio has helped keep relative peace. These killings were awful but nothing he could stop. For the size of the protests they were very peaceful. De Blasio has handled a difficult situation pretty well. The NYPD's union doesn't understand that they are supposed to serve the people of New York, the prope who chose De Blasio in a landslide.

They are supposed to serve the people of NYC, correct. Considering that maybe 1% of the residents of the city were out protesting in the streets, I fail to see how enforcing the laws on the books would NOT be serving the 99% of citizens who chose to obey the law.
 

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The people elected De Blasio to represent them. Turning a funeral into a political stunt is disrespectful.
 

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De Blasio has helped keep relative peace. These killings were awful but nothing he could stop. For the size of the protests they were very peaceful. De Blasio has handled a difficult situation pretty well. The NYPD's union doesn't understand that they are supposed to serve the people of New York, the prope who chose De Blasio in a landslide.

They chose him in a landslide and now they have to live with the tool that he is. His words are empty because everyone knows he doesn't mean any of them. If this continues to escalate it will become even more apparent that this guy is NOT a leader. We all grew up with tools like this...total empty suite and nobody would actually want him "in their fox-hole". There...I feel better.
 
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They chose him in a landslide and now they have to live with the tool that he is. His words are empty because everyone knows he doesn't mean any of them. If this continues to escalate it will become even more apparent that this guy is NOT a leader. We all grew up with tools like this...total empty suite and nobody would actually want him "in their fox-hole". There...I feel better.

The only thing he has been criticized for on this topic is telling police not to arrest nonviolent protesters and giving his son advice on dealing with the police. The police are missing the point here and hurting their already damaged image by acting out at a funeral. A plurality of New Yorkers approve of how De Blasio has done his job, and that is during this extremely hard and divisive time. Nothing you said is really a criticism, just buzz words. Why are his words empty? Why is he an empty suit? Why is he not a leader?
 

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I work downtown in Chicago across from Depaul. All I can say is if protesting and blocking traffic was illegal, why were the 30+ cops controlling it? We have a bigger issue on hand and the rules are being bent for it. Is that wrong? Not for me to say. All I can tell you is the protests in Chicago, if civil, are supported by the police.

My Take..

- Resist arrest? Be prepared to be taken down. EG said in the video he was "Breaking it up". Can someone clue me in on the "loos" deal? He clearly states he was breaking a fight up. Maybe I am wrong though.

- He didn't listen to cops. Are they wrong for what they did? Maybe? I don't make those decisions but if he had listened I am sure the situation would be different.

- Mike Brown was shot and killed with proof he attacked at the vehicle. Does distance matter as much as why wasn't the other guy shot and killed by a racist? Seems odd he shot and killed a guy execution style (standing still with full surrender) after how many years on force? Why this "Black guy"?

Honestly, my issues have always been... why did Mike Brown lay in the street so long? Why did the Berkley guy lay in the parking lot for 30 mins? Why did Eric Gardner not having anyone rushing to save him when he said he couldn't breath? I have a big issue with the lack of reaction on each case. In the 6th grade I fell in a front lawn with an asthma attack and said I can't breathe. I had about 30 people and 2 ambulances there within 3 minutes. Why me and why not them? I am just one example but everyone around me that had no idea what was going on seemed much more concerned than those that were involved from the beginning of these situations.
 
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I work downtown in Chicago across from Depaul. All I can say is if protesting and blocking traffic was illegal, why were the 30+ cops controlling it? We have a bigger issue on hand and the rules are being bent for it. Is that wrong? Not for me to say. All I can tell you is the protests in Chicago, if civil, are supported by the police.

I'm pretty sure that the NYC cops weren't all that upset about a benign peaceful protest that bent some rules, but wasn't out of control. I can absolutely understand them being upset about being told not to interfere with an illegal march whose participants are literally screaming for dead cops. And if you can't understand that, then I doubt that anything anyone ever says or does will satisfy you.
 

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I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks about this so-called "protest" or "strike" from the NYPD. They have stopped arresting people for minor crimes like public intoxication. Personally, I think this would be a great practice to have. Only enforce laws that have victims. However, I think it works against the NYPD because it is showing that there are too many police in New York.
 

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I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks about this so-called "protest" or "strike" from the NYPD. They have stopped arresting people for minor crimes like public intoxication. Personally, I think this would be a great practice to have. Only enforce laws that have victims. However, I think it works against the NYPD because it is showing that there are too many police in New York.

Strikes are illegal in NYC by the police and so are rule book slowdowns. Google the Taylor law. I completely agree. Don't enforce quality of life crimes. Let the wolves run free over the sheep with no penalty at all. Let's see how quickly those public intoxication and drug infractions escalate to violence without penalty or threat of arrest. See how quick it takes the public to appreciate their police. And why don't you start a new thread, this should have its own topic outside of the assassination of these two officers.
 

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I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks about this so-called "protest" or "strike" from the NYPD. They have stopped arresting people for minor crimes like public intoxication. Personally, I think this would be a great practice to have. Only enforce laws that have victims. However, I think it works against the NYPD because it is showing that there are too many police in New York.


I hope this makes sense but while you may think there are too many NYPD, they have a broad mission in a city that's a huge target for terrorism with millions of tourists. They not only protect the citizens that live, work, and visit there but also are attempting to prevent terrorist attacks, criminal enterprises, etc. FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF etc don't have the manpower and rely on forces like the NYPD to help out.

Hope that makes sense.
 

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He did not deserve to die, but the circumstances led to that end. What profession? A criminal-is that a profession? He died because of his actions. The police didn't knock on his door and drag him out in the street and kill him. He was committing a crime which brought the attention of the police.


Clarification on your point about citizens allowed to resist an unlawful arrest; not true. Citizens are not allowed to resist an unlawful arrest. Cooperate and sue the cop civilly. Citizens are allowed to resist when their life is in danger or excessive force is being used where it is reasonable to believe they'll be severely injured.
 

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I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks about this so-called "protest" or "strike" from the NYPD. They have stopped arresting people for minor crimes like public intoxication. Personally, I think this would be a great practice to have. Only enforce laws that have victims. However, I think it works against the NYPD because it is showing that there are too many police in New York.

34000 cops for 8.5 million people. That's 1 cop for every 250 people. That's about right according to every policing study. Probably pretty low considering the challenges NYC presents
 

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Strikes are illegal in NYC by the police and so are rule book slowdowns. Google the Taylor law. I completely agree. Don't enforce quality of life crimes. Let the wolves run free over the sheep with no penalty at all. Let's see how quickly those public intoxication and drug infractions escalate to violence without penalty or threat of arrest. See how quick it takes the public to appreciate their police. And why don't you start a new thread, this should have its own topic outside of the assassination of these two officers.

Cops wouldn't be arresting people for petty offenses if citizens weren't calling police to report intoxicated people, panhandlers, prostitutes and everything else. You'd be okay sitting on your front porch with your kids watching Drunk hookers selling cigs, turning tricks and causing a nuisance? Doubt it. Poor people just as wealthy people don't want that around their families
 

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Cops wouldn't be arresting people for petty offenses if citizens weren't calling police to report intoxicated people, panhandlers, prostitutes and everything else. You'd be okay sitting on your front porch with your kids watching Drunk hookers selling cigs, turning tricks and causing a nuisance? Doubt it. Poor people just as wealthy people don't want that around their families

I agree completely, I was being facetious and making a point. I'm intimately involved in what's going on here in NYC. The people who don't think quality of life crimes shouldn't be enforced would change their minds very quickly when they inevitably escalate.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/04/us/new-york-detective-liu-funeral/index.html

Wife of slain NYPD cop Wenjian Liu: 'You were an amazing man'
By Ashley Fantz, Ben Brumfield and Holly Yan, CNN
Updated 3:39 PM ET, Sun January 4, 2015

New York (CNN) At a funeral for Wenjian Liu on Sunday, the slain New York Police officer was remembered as a family man, a dedicated police officer, an avid fisherman and a person who embraced the best of what the United States can be.

Liu was 12 when his parents emigrated with him in 1994 from Canton, China.

His family said that the first souvenir he bought when he arrived was a sticker of the Statue of Liberty. He valued law and order and always wanted to be an officer.

Weeping, his wife Pei Xia Chen told the thousands of mourners who gathered at Brooklyn's Aievoli Funeral Home that her husband was dedicated to his job and he understood the awesome responsibility it entailed.

"We spoke about work often," she said, "and how much respect he had for the law, how he applied the law ... with courtesy, with respect and with the highest professionalism."

The couple had been married for only two months when Liu was shot to death December 20 as he sat in his patrol car next his partner, Officer Rafael Ramos. In uniform, Ramos and Liu were apparently murdered simply because they were cops. Their killer had posted on social media his desire to end police officers' lives.
 

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Strikes are illegal in NYC by the police and so are rule book slowdowns. Google the Taylor law. I completely agree. Don't enforce quality of life crimes. Let the wolves run free over the sheep with no penalty at all. Let's see how quickly those public intoxication and drug infractions escalate to violence without penalty or threat of arrest. See how quick it takes the public to appreciate their police. And why don't you start a new thread, this should have its own topic outside of the assassination of these two officers.

That would be more effective if the cops were gone completely and weren't acting like this while on the job, in my opinion. It won't look great if they are ignoring crime but if they were absent.
 

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I believe it was in poor taste for many members of the NYPD to turn their backs on De Blasio again today, against the wishes of the family of the slain officer. It makes them the spectacle and is being disrespectful to the family. I think if most people acted like that towards their boss they would be fired.
 

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I believe it was in poor taste for many members of the NYPD to turn their backs on De Blasio again today, against the wishes of the family of the slain officer. It makes them the spectacle and is being disrespectful to the family. I think if most people acted like that towards their boss they would be fired.

I'll be sure to tell my NYPD friends and family that you feel this way from your home in Colorado. I'm sure it will just tear them apart that you feel this way. I hope they can sleep at night after I break the news.
 

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The Stephen Siller Foundation has vowed to raise the $800,000 to pay off the mortgages of both slain officers' homes. As of last week, they'd raised 75% of the amount needed. A noble gesture.

Stephen Siller Foundation aims to raise $800,000 to pay off mortgages of slain NYPD officers | SILive.com

This foundation is truly one of the best things to come out of 9/11. They are incredibly active in building homes for wounded warriors and stepped up huge after hurricane sandy devastated the area. they are a great family who has made an incredible difference. If you ever get the opportunity, come do the tunnel to towers run in NYC in September. It's an amazing event.
 

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I'll be sure to tell my NYPD friends and family that you feel this way from your home in Colorado. I'm sure it will just tear them apart that you feel this way. I hope they can sleep at night after I break the news.

It's not about them. It's about the families of the killed. The families they ignored to make a statement that the commissioner didn't support either.
 

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It's not about them. It's about the families of the killed. The families they ignored to make a statement that the commissioner didn't support either.

I'm done talking to you about NYC politics, your opinion means nothing to me and I don't care to debate with someone so clueless. Happy new year, enjoy the legal marijuana.
 

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This is more than New York City politics. This is just disrespect at a funeral. I wouldn't classify what you've done as debating either.
 

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It's not about them. It's about the families of the killed. The families they ignored to make a statement that the commissioner didn't support either.

I don't recall you being overly concerned about the families of cops, when this was going on?

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With added security measures the said on the news this morning that the NYPD can't have both officers sitting in the car at the same time unless the car is driving.
 
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