Two NYC Cops Shot In Ambush

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The militarization of police actually started about 20-25 years ago, when drug dealers and their organizations started arming themselves like the military. Police were getting mowed down trying to serve arrest warrants. Hand guns and shotguns were no defense against AK47's and other military weapons the druggies were using.
 

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The militarization of police actually started about 20-25 years ago, when drug dealers and their organizations started arming themselves like the military. Police were getting mowed down trying to serve arrest warrants. Hand guns and shotguns were no defense against AK47's and other military weapons the druggies were using.

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I know it is a cop but a firefighter in Jacksonville him by a bullet in the arm all fire house advised to keep the doors down. Possible drive by.
 

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NY protesters reject plea for hiatus despite police slayings | Reuters
The shooting of the officers in their patrol car shocked a city that has seen largely peaceful demonstrations after decisions by grand juries in New York and Missouri not to indict white police officers in the killings of unarmed black men.

The killings have also intensified friction between City Hall, the police department and reformers who voted for de Blasio, a liberal Democrat, last year.

Protests against the use of excessive force by police have been held across the United States, reigniting a bitter debate about how American police forces treat non-white citizens that has drawn in President Barack Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder.

Since Saturday, de Blasio's attempts at unity in New York have been rebuffed by both sides, police unions and protesters.

After saying de Blasio, who has reservedly sympathized with the protesters, had "blood on his hands" for the officers' death, police unions disputed on Tuesday the claims by City Hall that they had agreed to a request to suspend their rhetoric.

"I never had a conversation about silence," Ed Mullins, the president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, said in a telephone interview.

Answer Coalition, organizers of the march on 5th Avenue in midtown Manhattan, called the mayor's demand to suspend protests an attempt to "chill" their speech.

"We're showing that we are not going to allow other people control the narrative," Eugene Puryear, a protest organizer, shouted through a megaphone. Protesters marched behind a large banner saying "Stop Racist Police Terror" as they passed by Christmas shoppers and the luxurious shop window displays.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/n...atedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article
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Felicia Oquendo, 61, a retired UPS administrator, rode two buses from her home in Maspeth, Queens, and put off cooking Christmas Eve dinner for her family so that she could pay her respects in person. Ms. Oquendo, who did not know the officers, said she had not been so deeply moved since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, when she went to ground zero two weeks later to pray for the victims.

“It just tugged at my heart and I had to come,” she said. “You don’t look at them like strangers; it’s like they’re family. On Christmas Eve, I’ll be drinking my eggnog and eating but they’re going to be in my heart — not just them, but all policemen, all of them.”

At 2:47 p.m. Tuesday, the exact time the officers were shot on Saturday by Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28, many police officers, city workers and residents fell silent wherever they stood. In the 84th Precinct, dozens of their friends and colleagues wore green armbands and bowed their heads.

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On Monday, the mayor had called on people to suspend demonstrations and political debate so attention could be paid to the families of the officers. But his words went unheeded by 200 protesters who marched north from Midtown on Tuesday evening, carrying signs calling for the firing of Police Commissioner William J. Bratton and an end to “racist police terror.” The crowd paused at 116th Street and Lexington Avenue for a moment of silence.

“We mean no disrespect to anybody,” Yari Osorio, an organizer, said. “But we’re out here to say it’s ridiculous, it’s outrageous, it’s insulting for anybody to ask us to stop these protests.”

The gathering continued to 125th Street and Amsterdam Avenue for a brief rally.

The killing of Officers Liu and Ramos came at a moment of heightened tension between the police and communities across the country, after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed man in Ferguson. Mo., and the death of Eric Garner, a Staten Island man, during an arrest. After a grand jury did not indict a police officer in the death of Mr. Garner, waves of protesters have been demonstrating in the streets of New York.

While the protests were mostly peaceful, the focus of much of the demonstrators’ anger has been directed at police officers, calling for reforms but also, at times, lashing out with vicious, personal invectives directed at officers.

Before the gunman arrived in New York on Saturday morning, he had made clear on social media sites that he wanted to kill police officers.

In his mind, the police said, the protests over the Garner case served as some sort of inspiration.

But when Emerald Garner, Mr. Garner’s daughter, visited the memorial to the officers, she delivered a powerful rebuke to anyone who wanted to use the memory of her father as an excuse for violence.

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Some of the outpourings of sympathy were substantial: Bowdoin College, where Officer Ramos’s son Justin is a student, has offered full financial aid and has set up a fund to collect donations for the family. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. planned to attend the funeral of Officer Ramos on Saturday. But there were also many more small, heartfelt expressions. In Times Square on Tuesday morning, Steve Norred, 50, and his wife, Heather, 41, stopped to thank an officer. Others gave hugs.

Judy Linden, a retired nurse, spotted a policeman on the sidewalk as she exited the G train station in Brooklyn where the gunman killed himself. She went over to console the officer, who thanked her. “I intend to say it to any individual officer I see,” she said, “so they know there’s one more person who appreciates what they’re going through and feels very bad about it.”

At Evil Olive, a pizzeria across the street from the 90th Precinct station, officers have not paid for a slice since Saturday, Reggie Thomas, the manager, said. The pizzeria did not charge for officers’ meals on Saturday night, and since then, other customers quietly paid officers’ tabs along with their own.

“We’re all sorry for what they’re going through, so we’re sharing with them,” Mr. Thomas, 41, said.

On Staten Island, at the Rocco Laurie Middle School, where Officer Ramos once worked as a school safety agent, staff members raised $1,000 to give to his family at the wake. They also arranged for a Brooklyn deli to deliver breakfast to the 84th Precinct.

“The staff knows him, they knew him very well,” Peter Macellari, the principal, said of Mr. Ramos. “There were discussions all weekend long regarding what we would do for them, for his family. That was his primary concern in life; he was always speaking about his family.”

Scott Joyner, 27, a supervisor at Magnolia Bakery, spent his day off Tuesday standing alongside the officers at the memorial instead of shopping for holiday presents. Mr. Joyner said he had demonstrated against police actions in three protests at Union Square since the grand jury decision on Eric Garner.

But on Tuesday, he said, he felt it was important to stand up for the two fallen officers.

“All lives matter at the end of the day,” he said. “Black lives. Police lives. Every life matters. We need to come together and be more united. Hopefully, the holidays bring us back together.”
 
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I was actually blaming a small few cops/sheriffs for the mistrust in them altogether. It only takes a few bad seeds to tarnish the entire organization. The result is violence unfortunately.

Hmm...seems like vast generalizations based on the bad seed logic only works one way then????

The truth is Cops respond primarily based on past experience with specifics like people, places, situations...if that presents as biased, it is generally a learned behavior under survival situations. Once you get there you realize pretty quickly this discussion isn't just about what cops or the system needs to fix...are people willing to have THAT discussion? Thus far I'd say no.
 

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NYPD Officer Rafael Ramos saw streets as his ministry - CNN.com

By Michael Martinez and Camille Cava, CNN
updated 8:08 PM EST, Fri December 26, 2014

New York (CNN) -- Rafael Ramos was an unusual cop.
He saw the streets of New York as his ministry.
In fact, he was just hours away from becoming a lay chaplain and graduating from a community-crisis chaplaincy program before he and fellow New York police Officer Wenjian Liu were gunned down in their patrol car Saturday in Brooklyn.
 
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I do not think it was appropriate for the NYPD to use today's funeral for a protest. I understand their frustration, and they have the right to protest like any American. However, today should be solely about Officer Ramos, not them.
 

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Two slain NYPD officers made detectives at funeral - CNN.com


2 NYPD officers promoted posthumously; Ramos also made honorary chaplain

By Michael Martinez, Kevin Conlon and Miguel Marquez, CNN
updated 12:10 PM EST, Sat December 27, 2014

Ramos made honorary chaplain

Bratton drew applause when he stated that Ramos "was a hero."
"They were killed because they were blue," Bratton said of the slain officers.
Bratton drew applause again when he announced he was appointing Ramos, posthumously and effective Saturday, as honorary department chaplain for the 84th Precinct.
Bratton also promoted both Ramos and Liu to detectives first grade, posthumously, drawing applause again.
"Officer Ramos was assassinated because he represented all of us," Bratton said.
 
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I also don't really understand what De Blasio should have done differently. Didn't he just say he told his son how to act around police to cause as little trouble for himself as possible? Isn't that what every parent does?
 

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I also don't really understand what De Blasio should have done differently. Didn't he just say he told his son how to act around police to cause as little trouble for himself as possible? Isn't that what every parent does?

It's a whole lot deeper than that. There's a whole lot of mistrust between the NYPD and mayor Wilhelm. He has lost the trust of the rank and file.
 

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I do not think it was appropriate for the NYPD to use today's funeral for a protest. I understand their frustration, and they have the right to protest like any American. However, today should be solely about Officer Ramos, not them.

You just have to understand how angry they are. This is just the manifestation of years and years of senseless killing of their brothers and sisters. At least they are letting that anger out as a protest, instead of just riding around shooting minorities.
 

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You just have to understand how angry they are. This is just the manifestation of years and years of senseless killing of their brothers and sisters. At least they are letting that anger out as a protest, instead of just riding around shooting minorities.

Is it really years and years? This is the first killing of an NYPD officer since 2011. None since De Blasio took office. Why would they take this out on De Blasio when it happened under Bloomberg or Guliani?
 

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I also do not believe public servants should be using the job to make a protest against the mayor who was elected with 3/4ths of the vote. It's their right to protest of course, but I think will just increase the divide between them and the people.
 

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Is it really years and years? This is the first killing of an NYPD officer since 2011. None since De Blasio took office. Why would they take this out on De Blasio when it happened under Bloomberg or Guliani?

I should have used italics in my post. It was sarcasm, referencing the excuse of "anger boiling over" that many people used to excuse the violence and looting in Ferguson, in response to the Michael Brown case.
 

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I should have used italics in my post. It was sarcasm, referencing the excuse of "anger boiling over" that many people used to excuse the violence and looting in Ferguson, in response to the Michael Brown case.

That's more applicable for them though because the political climate in the St. Louis county was pretty bad from what I've read. Obviously it doesn't excuse looting, but I think the anger in the peaceful protests were well-directed there. I think this is very misdirected.
 

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When I was looking up statistics on police deaths in New York, I've found that there have been many deaths from 9/11 related illnesses. Tragic that they went in to save people a decade earlier and it is killing them now.
 

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That's more applicable for them though because the political climate in the St. Louis county was pretty bad from what I've read. Obviously it doesn't excuse looting, but I think the anger in the peaceful protests were well-directed there. I think this is very misdirected.

As a guy living in Colorado, what do you base the bolded on? Do you have some kind of insight into the political climate inside of the NYPD?
 

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Is it really years and years? This is the first killing of an NYPD officer since 2011. None since De Blasio took office. Why would they take this out on De Blasio when it happened under Bloomberg or Guliani?


None since De Blasio took office.

Really? Tell that to the Ramos and Liu families.

De Blasio took office January 1, 2014. Officers Ramos and Liu were executed while sitting in their patrol car last Saturday, Dec 20, 2014.
 

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How ignorant do you have to be to blame the murder of two cops by a deranged lunatic on the mayor? I get cops close the situation being emotional, and emotion can lead to dumb statements. But everyone else should be better than that.

This is the saddest thread for this board.
 

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How ignorant do you have to be to blame the murder of two cops by a deranged lunatic on the mayor?

I don't think anyone is really blaming DiBlasio for the murder of the two cops. I do think that the cops are using the publicity from the deaths to draw attention to what they feel is a complete lack of support from the Mayor's office.
 

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As a guy living in Colorado, what do you base the bolded on? Do you have some kind of insight into the political climate inside of the NYPD?

I'm of course an outsider, but a mentally ill lunatic from Baltimore killed the two officers. I don't understand the reaction against De Blasio.
 

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Really? Tell that to the Ramos and Liu families.

De Blasio took office January 1, 2014. Officers Ramos and Liu were executed while sitting in their patrol car last Saturday, Dec 20, 2014.

I meant before those 2 I should have been clearer
 

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I don't think anyone is really blaming DiBlasio for the murder of the two cops. I do think that the cops are using the publicity from the deaths to draw attention to what they feel is a complete lack of support from the Mayor's office.

The mayor's job is to run the city, not to be a cheerleader for the police. The mayor needs to be held accountable for his job, and so do cops. The cops that were killed were a tragedy, but that tragedy doesn't diminish the fact that other cops killed a guy on the street who didn't deserve to die.
 

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I'm of course an outsider, but a mentally ill lunatic from Baltimore killed the two officers. I don't understand the reaction against De Blasio.

I don't have any inside information, so it's not like I know. But I am assuming that the political climate inside of the NYPD must be pretty bad, for officers to turn their backs on the mayor, en masse.
 

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I don't have any inside information, so it's not like I know. But I am assuming that the political climate inside of the NYPD must be pretty bad, for officers to turn their backs on the mayor, en masse.

The political climate inside the NYPD is awful. The mayor certainly doesn't need to be a "cheerleader" as someone stated before, but when dealing with them they need to know he has their back. When your mayor allows a charlatan like Al Sharpton a seat at a table to lecture your commissioner on policing and operations. When you say that you warn your son about being brutalized by your cops, when 2 of your police lieutenants are attacked by "peaceful" protestors and you use the word alleged. And when you allow chaos to run wild in your city and allow the city to be overrun and roads and bridges to be shut down while the police are told to stand down and not make arrests, you tend to lose the support of your people out there getting assaulted and murdered. I'm sorry I'm not a lawyer and unable to voice this more eloquently, but Im pretty confident I know more NYPD officers than most people on here. There are more examples of what has contributed to this relationship deteriorating, but you get the gist. KMoose, I wasn't quoting you because I disagree btw.
It's fine for anyone to disagree with the actions of the cops and their behavior. I'm not here to judge whether they are right or wrong, but I completely disagree that this thread is sad.
 

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The mayor's job is to run the city, not to be a cheerleader for the police. The mayor needs to be held accountable for his job, and so do cops. The cops that were killed were a tragedy, but that tragedy doesn't diminish the fact that other cops killed a guy on the street who didn't deserve to die.

Are you speaking of Eric Garner? Did he deserve to die? Absolutely not. But his actions certainly contributed to his demise. And he didn't die on the street btw. There's a whole lot going on behind the scenes there as well. Why were the police there? Look into that
 
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