Trump Presidency Round 2

[drayer54]

It may be true that Democrats tried to do in Trump a number of times/ways, but this my friend is SOOOO different, and goes way beyond Trump and just trying to get him out of office.


And notice he said "If it's true" Even Jennings is hedging himself.

I know we've lied about Trump a lot, but we're serious this time! He's not hedging, he's just pointing out there's no evidence. That's because you have no evidence.

 

[NDWarrior]

I know we've lied about Trump a lot, but we're serious this time! He's not hedging, he's just pointing out there's no evidence. That's because you have no evidence.

Never said I did, but there's a whole lotta I guess what you would call circumstantial evidence all over the place. Even MTG said Trump has been the one most blocking the release of the files.

This is way beyond you, me, and others bickering on here about Right vs. Left - This a topic that includes heinous crimes over decades and is way more inclusive than Trump, although I believe he's a central figure for sure.

The walls are closing in...

 

[RDU Irish]

The tell is all the loons who only care about the Epstein list as far as they can pretend it implicates Trump of something. They don't GAF about any other person in there. Just like they jerked off during the summer of love burning down businesses in real America while continuing to clutch their pearls over the J6 two hour interruption of Congress. If we want to have an honest conversation about the excessive size and scope of government - we could probably find a shit ton of common ground. Instead - you bad, me good cave man level debate that can't even acknowledge the two dead dipshits put themselves in harms way. You can't salivate over Ashli Babbett and cry over the cross dressing nurse and lesbo.

The chef's kiss level hypocrisy is pretending to be apoplectic over Epstein pedos while wetting themselves just as much over ICE deporting child molesters. Oh the humanity!

 

[GoIrish41]

The tell is all the loons who only care about the Epstein list as far as they can pretend it implicates Trump of something. They don't GAF about any other person in there. Just like they jerked off during the summer of love burning down businesses in real America while continuing to clutch their pearls over the J6 two hour interruption of Congress. If we want to have an honest conversation about the excessive size and scope of government - we could probably find a shit ton of common ground. Instead - you bad, me good cave man level debate that can't even acknowledge the two dead dipshits put themselves in harms way. You can't salivate over Ashli Babbett and cry over the cross dressing nurse and lesbo.

The chef's kiss level hypocrisy is pretending to be apoplectic over Epstein pedos while wetting themselves just as much over ICE deporting child molesters. Oh the humanity!

I can't speak for anyone else. but I have consistently said that ALL perpetrators should be prosecuted … regardless of party. Noam Chomsky to Clinton to Musk to Epstein to Maxwell to Trump and every single kid fucker in between. Every single one of them. I also have no memory of anyone “salivating” over Ashli Babett getting shot while trying to break thru the glass doors of the Senate chambers. I think you have selective memory and listened to the voice in your head instead of actually listening to what people were saying. I also don’t recall all of the “just follow instructions from law enforcement”
crowd who screamed murder when she didn’t and paid the price.

 

[TorontoGold]

The tell is all the loons who only care about the Epstein list as far as they can pretend it implicates Trump of something. They don't GAF about any other person in there. Just like they jerked off during the summer of love burning down businesses in real America while continuing to clutch their pearls over the J6 two hour interruption of Congress. If we want to have an honest conversation about the excessive size and scope of government - we could probably find a shit ton of common ground. Instead - you bad, me good cave man level debate that can't even acknowledge the two dead dipshits put themselves in harms way. You can't salivate over Ashli Babbett and cry over the cross dressing nurse and lesbo.

The chef's kiss level hypocrisy is pretending to be apoplectic over Epstein pedos while wetting themselves just as much over ICE deporting child molesters. Oh the humanity!

lmao people cared about Epstein before this. Just look at another one of Trump's cabinet members who had to resign because of his insane plea deal with Epstein (Alex Acosta).

The common ground discussion is always such a fucking farce. "Golly the media just doesn't want us to get along! Anyways let's talk about my policy positions that are all in the minority in terms of approval, back to what I was saying about how abortion is murder, climate change is natural, and Barack Obama is a muslim."

Yeah the chefs kiss here is the lack of a functioning brain to fall for the retarded cross dressing fake photo and thinking ICE is just deporting child molesters.

 

[NDWarrior]

I agree, lock them all up.

Yes, full disclosure, count me as happy as a lark if Trump were to be prosecuted/persecuted over this, and he would very much deserve it.

And yes, of course, all perpetrators need to be locked up, from the Left and Right, from the Medical and Academic worlds, and from Religion and Business.

I've been pressing this a lot more recently because (yes, this is only my gut intuition at this point), I'm seeing this is way bigger than a teenage girl pedo operation (which is horrible enough); it involves murder, suppression, mutilation, torture, and global governments blackmailing and offing people to keep it all a deep dark secret.

And at this point, I'm starting to see that this whole thing is inextricably intertwined with the current admin, many of the current cabinet members, and many of the uber-rich tech leaders, and businessmen behind Trump and MAGA (the crazy racist misanthrope Stephen Miller, and the misguided Christian Nationalists behind the admin, along for the ride and opportunity to get their deleterious objectives accomplished under this depraved authoritarian admin).

It's all going to implode at some point, and who knows how ugly it's possibly going to get for all of us, especially knowing that since his inauguration, Trump has rapidly built up ICE (can do a lot more than immigration enforcement) and has established “Domestic Civil Disturbance Quick Reaction Forces” across U.S. cities that are composed of hundreds of National Guard soldiers; and reinforced by Palantir's AI-driven track/kill tech battle tested in Gaza for Israel.

And even without Trump in power, you can bet Vance would move right in and still have the same end goals as Trump and the consortium behind them; there is still much danger ahead, even with Trump gone one way or another.

 

[NDWarrior]

And btw, for all you guys who say "why wasn't anything done during the Obama admins, and especially under Biden?" as some kind of proof this is just one more scheme to oust and discredit Trump, just stop and think about this for a second...

As all this stuff comes out, and we see the extent and reach of the blackmailing, suppression and who's involved on a global level, you can see why neither party would ever want to touch this with a ten foot pole when there could be such massive repercussions for both parties and the country overall.

I honestly think that the now-grown women victims (who may actually be only one subset of this heinous global pedo ring) coming together and giving Congressmen Khanna and Massie, and MTG, a detailed download of their abuse and stories, after Trump and Bondi had been beating the topic to a dead pulp for the past 2-3 years, is what finally catapulted a half-hearted investigation and partial and heavily-redacted release of the files over the past few months, and with a ton of pushback from Trump, Patel, and Bondi, btw.

 

[NDWarrior]

“Donald Trump told us that even though he had dinner with these people in New York City and West Palm Beach, that he would be transparent, but he’s not. He’s still in with the Epstein class. This is the Epstein administration. There are billionaires that are friends with these people, and that’s what I’m up against in D.C.”

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Others have pointed out and I don't think it's getting enough attention:

If there was real dirt on Trump in the Epstein files, it would have been plastered all over the news during the 2024 election cycle, all day every day. Dems would have thrown the kitchen sink (and more) at him because they were desperate. We got nothing.

 

[NDWarrior]

Others have pointed out and I don't think it's getting enough attention:

If there was real dirt on Trump in the Epstein files, it would have been plastered all over the news during the 2024 election cycle, all day every day. Dems would have thrown the kitchen sink (and more) at him because they were desperate. We got nothing.

Wrong, maybe you haven't seem some of the absolutely disgusting, inhumane, Hostel 1, 2 & 3 shit this global pedo sex cannibalistic ring has done. Everyone is figuring out how to get to files that as posted had no videos, and European countries are releasing a lot more than here in the U.S.

Trust me when I tell you, you don't want to see/watch any of this stuff.

My point is, when you realize the abominations against mankind that have transpired by this global pedo ring/cult, you'll realize why no one has ever been willing (and likely not able due to blackmail somewhere along the chain of command) to blow the whistle on this shit.

Exhibit A is there was all kinds of shit submitted by sex abuse women in Florida including Virginia Guiffre and they were all ignored by AG - you guessed it - Pam Bondi because by then she had already taken $ from Trump (and probably Epstein) for her FL AG campaigns over the years and so she was protecting them in return.

Holes are forming at an accelerating rate in the dam. I don't think you will want to be defending anyone in this admin when you realize what inhumane things have been done and then protected and suppressed at the highest levels globally. God help the world, let alone the U.S.

 

[Fbolt]

NDW, you are accelerating down this rabbit hole at an alarming rate.

 

[LifelongFan]

Yeah it's shocking that the genocidal Biden/Harris team didn't plaster their guys molesting kids all over the place

 

[NDWarrior]

NDW, you are accelerating down this rabbit hole at an alarming rate.

Ok, well you tell me there's nothing to see here and prove it because the video evidence coming out is quote heinous and vile and this admin is connected to it, including Trump. Good luck continuing to defend your pedo guys.

 

[Fbolt]

You're spending a lot of time convincing rather than showing proof. The truth stands on its own and doesn't require 5 posts.

And how did I protect anyone? That's right, I didn't.

 

[TorontoGold]

You're spending a lot of time convincing rather than showing proof. The truth stands on its own and doesn't require 5 posts.

And how did I protect anyone? That's right, I didn't.

Don't worry, I don't think anyone would think you'd protect anything.

 

[NDWarrior]

You're spending a lot of time convincing rather than showing proof. The truth stands on its own and doesn't require 5 posts.

And how did I protect anyone? That's right, I didn't.

You know what I won't do that because if you want to see what's out there, you'll do it.

And if you want to continue to remain in your MAGA bubble and ignore it, then you'll do that too.

I can't and won't feed you the news. Granted I'm seeing a lot of it from people who are spending hours at a time going through the files, something you or I don't have time to do. Tbh, I really don't want to post that stuff here, because it's sick.

I think people are just shocked at this point.

 

[GATTACA!]

You know what I won't do that because if you want to see what's out there, you'll do it.

And if you want to continue to remain in your MAGA bubble and ignore it, then you'll do that too.

I can't and won't feed you the news. Granted I'm seeing a lot of it from people who are spending hours at a time going through the files, something you or I don't have time to do. Tbh, I really don't want to post that stuff here, because it's sick.

I think people are just shocked at this point.

Gotta hand it to them. To still be a MAGA sycophant at this point takes incredible dedication.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This entire discussion of late:

He's a pedo!

Show us the evidence.

Well he is!

Show us the evidence.

You're protecting him!

Show us the evidence.

You're in denial!

Show us the evidence.

It's there!

Show it to us.

You're in denial!

 

[drayer54]

This entire discussion of late:

He's a pedo!

Show us the evidence.

Well he is!

Show us the evidence.

You're protecting him!

Show us the evidence.

You're in denial!

Show us the evidence.

It's there!

Show it to us.

You're in denial!

From the MuellerSheWrote and Russia Russia Russia liars on top of that.

 

[drayer54]

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Gotta hand it to them. To still be a MAGA sycophant at this point takes incredible dedication.

As long as the opposition keeps closing refineries, spewing gibberish abroad, and chanting From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go while doing land acknowledgements, I’m not worried for JD. Rubio is doing outstanding abroad. The administration is doing well on the border, we hit Dow 50k, crime improved dramatically, etc. It’ll be fine.

 

[TorontoGold]

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Gotta hand it to them. To still be a MAGA sycophant at this point takes incredible dedication.

What do you mean? They're just careful observers. Need to wait for the full economic analysis to be complete to see if tariffs were a complete failure. Can't criticize him for anything Epstein related, gotta wait for the DOJ to render a judgement. Don't look at the employment data, wouldn't want to call out the largest revision in history.

I can't believe you don't understand their logic, they've been so clear.

 

[drayer54]

Good to see a Pritzker feel some consequences.

Thomas Pritzker, cousin of Illinois governor, steps down as head of Hyatt due to ties with Jeffrey Epstein

Billionaire Thomas Pritzker will be stepping down as executive chairman of Hyatt Hotels and will not be seeking reelection for the position over his ties to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, he announced on Monday.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[NDWarrior]

Bishop, what's your point?

1) What's happening is the system in being flooded with all this heinous information all at once - As Bannon likes to say, flood the system

2) It's so incredulous and you have to spend so much time filtering the files, that it's people on social media that are doing it, which kind of takes away from the credibility of their review and analysis to some extent

3) There are a TON of redactions so it's essentially anonymous crimes against humanity, although, the files are deliberately offering up some un-redacted names who are disposable to the admin such as: Sammy Sosa, Jay-Z, Pusha, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, 6 politicians already mentioned by Ro Khanna on Friday, the British cabinet member, etc.

4) If you're busy with your family and a busy job, you're not noticing, and when someone like me posts what I'm seeing / hearing, I sound like someone going down a rabbit hole because it sounds so fantastical and surreal... But it's not

5) Don't forget, those in power are the only ones who can really investigate and prosecute; now, how is that gonna happen when Trump owns the Congress, All Cabinets, The DOJ, The FBI, and pretty much the Supreme Court? They couldn't overcome the congressional majority request to release the files, but they're doing it their way, controlled, obfuscated, and flooding volumes of floods at once, with a few un-redacted names, but yet there's no actual investigation of big-fish political and business leaders such as Trump.

6) I can assure you, there are already hundreds of videos of blue collar bearded sleeveless plaid shirt stocky guys literally crying from seeing children crying and being abused, and are calling for people to be brought to justice (but are frustrated that there are no identities being revealed, and they are absolutely calling Trump vociferously a huge POS so pressure is building from his MAGA base

7) People are in shock for sure and simultaneously, Trump continues to try and distract Americans from noticing how sick the files content is. Let's see, Bondi drama in front of Congress; threatening to take over the voting process from blue states; and here's my conspiracy theory: Maybe he's even behind Nancy Guthrie's abduction from her Tucson AZ home. I say that because 1) there is nothing normal (it's very odd) about this abduction and the criminal(s) seem like dumb fucks who were hired to do the job and will be eliminated when required, and now only updates coming from a Patel-controlled FBI which is highly suspect; and 2) it may be some payback for Savannah Guthrie who rode him hard with questions in a 2020 NBC TV campaign interview. It's sure working. I watched CNN for a few nights last week to catch up on the latest, and I swear each night was literally 50 out of 60 minutes devoted to the kidnapping!

Now, with all this going on and Trump and his admin trying to stall off the eventual and probable pitchfork riot, he and the DHS are:

1) Rapidly continuing to acquire and build out ICE facilities, now focusing on acquiring warehouses to be converted into detention centers; I just heard one was purchased at $130/sq ft in a small rural location in TX when the going rate is $20-$50/sq ft.; the co. getting the way above market pay day? P&K Group run by Russian Oligarch, Andrei Sharkov (how about that?)

2) Rapidly building up ICE (can do a lot more than immigration enforcement) with his $75 Bill. budget and has established “Domestic Civil Disturbance Quick Reaction Forces” across U.S. cities that are composed of hundreds of National Guard soldiers; and reinforced by Palantir's AI-driven track/kill tech battle tested in Gaza for Israel.

And the Trump admin is keeping busy:

3) What many aren't noticing - That due Senate Republicans changing the rules in September 2025, implementing the "nuclear option" to allow lower-level nominees to be confirmed in batches with just a simple majority vote (Washington Times), the admin Trump is confirming batches of cabinet and judicial nominees, such as Cabinet secretaries and agency heads to ambassadors, judges, U.S. attorneys, and various other federal leadership roles, at a rapid pace, where I'm sure most are Christian Nationalist, MAGA, or Pedo oriented; in fact, over 250 of Trump's nominees—more than half—were confirmed through three "en bloc" packages after this rules change Washington Times.

With so many apolitical long-time cabinet and executive branch employees gutted, and rapidly being replaced with Trump loyalists, you have a VERY controlled and loyal White, Cabinet and Judicial branch which isn't going to allow for such things that are anathema to this WH administration like prosecuting the Epstein Pedo Ring perpetrators, since now many of them are in Trump's White House



These are indeed very dangerous times...

 

[NDWarrior]

Drayer, sure, that's fine because BOTH left and right are involved, and so they should suffer the consequences;

And don't tout 50K Dow my friend. That's one of Trump's biggest weaknesses. It looks great now, but we're primed for a good 10-12% correction; admittedly, we may not have hit the all-time high just yet and after this soon-to-be correction, there could be one more high going into the end of the year, into early 2027... We'll see

Sure long-term markets are a bull market, BUT every 50 years or so there are sideways, consolidation bear markets that last a 10-13 years, and we are due for one of these soon.

Remember, the stock market is a mark of mass societal optimism but this optimism is quickly wearing off, and there are a lot of people not connected to the stock market and benefitting from these recent massive bull runs.

Trump is going to be crucified when the markets are down again.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Bishop, what's your point?

1) What's happening is the system in being flooded with all this heinous information all at once - As Bannon likes to say, flood the system

2) It's so incredulous and you have to spend so much time filtering the files, that it's people on social media that are doing it, which kind of takes away from the credibility of their review and analysis to some extent

3) There are a TON of redactions so it's essentially anonymous crimes against humanity, although, the files are deliberately offering up some un-redacted names who are disposable to the admin such as: Sammy Sosa, Jay-Z, Pusha, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, 6 politicians already mentioned by Ro Khanna on Friday, the British cabinet member, etc.

4) If you're busy with your family and a busy job, you're not noticing, and when someone like me posts what I'm seeing / hearing, I sound like someone going down a rabbit hole because it sounds so fantastical and surreal... But it's not

5) Don't forget, those in power are the only ones who can really investigate and prosecute; now, how is that gonna happen when Trump owns the Congress, All Cabinets, The DOJ, The FBI, and pretty much the Supreme Court? They couldn't overcome the congressional majority request to release the files, but they're doing it their way, controlled, obfuscated, and flooding volumes of floods at once, with a few un-redacted names, but yet there's no actual investigation of big-fish political and business leaders such as Trump.

6) I can assure you, there are already hundreds of videos of blue collar bearded sleeveless plaid shirt stocky guys literally crying from seeing children crying and being abused, and are calling for people to be brought to justice (but are frustrated that there are no identities being revealed, and they are absolutely calling Trump vociferously a huge POS so pressure is building from his MAGA base

7) People are in shock for sure and simultaneously, Trump continues to try and distract Americans from noticing how sick the files content is. Let's see, Bondi drama in front of Congress; threatening to take over the voting process from blue states; and here's my conspiracy theory: Maybe he's even behind Nancy Guthrie's abduction from her Tucson AZ home. I say that because 1) there is nothing normal (it's very odd) about this abduction and the criminal(s) seem like dumb fucks who were hired to do the job and will be eliminated when required, and now only updates coming from a Patel-controlled FBI which is highly suspect; and 2) it may be some payback for Savannah Guthrie who rode him hard with questions in a 2020 NBC TV campaign interview. It's sure working. I watched CNN for a few nights last week to catch up on the latest, and I swear each night was literally 50 out of 60 minutes devoted to the kidnapping!

Now, with all this going on and Trump and his admin trying to stall off the eventual and probable pitchfork riot, he and the DHS are:

1) Rapidly continuing to acquire and build out ICE facilities, now focusing on acquiring warehouses to be converted into detention centers; I just heard one was purchased at $130/sq ft in a small rural location in TX when the going rate is $20-$50/sq ft.; the co. getting the way above market pay day? P&K Group run by Russian Oligarch, Andrei Sharkov (how about that?)

2) Rapidly building up ICE (can do a lot more than immigration enforcement) with his $75 Bill. budget and has established “Domestic Civil Disturbance Quick Reaction Forces” across U.S. cities that are composed of hundreds of National Guard soldiers; and reinforced by Palantir's AI-driven track/kill tech battle tested in Gaza for Israel.

And the Trump admin is keeping busy:

3) What many aren't noticing - That due Senate Republicans changing the rules in September 2025, implementing the "nuclear option" to allow lower-level nominees to be confirmed in batches with just a simple majority vote (Washington Times), the admin Trump is confirming batches of cabinet and judicial nominees, such as Cabinet secretaries and agency heads to ambassadors, judges, U.S. attorneys, and various other federal leadership roles, at a rapid pace, where I'm sure most are Christian Nationalist, MAGA, or Pedo oriented; in fact, over 250 of Trump's nominees—more than half—were confirmed through three "en bloc" packages after this rules change Washington Times.

With so many apolitical long-time cabinet and executive branch employees gutted, and rapidly being replaced with Trump loyalists, you have a VERY controlled and loyal White, Cabinet and Judicial branch which isn't going to allow for such things that are anathema to this WH administration like prosecuting the Epstein Pedo Ring perpetrators, since now many of them are in Trump's White House



These are indeed very dangerous times...

I'm strongly in favor of crucifying anybody who engaged in any of Epstein's pedo atrocities. ANYBODY, but only after pulling off their fingernails, castrating them, and passing them around in a prison for Dikembe Thunderdick and his eight closest friends to abuse. However, I'm NOT for labeling anyone a pedophile without compelling evidence, and you don't have ANY regarding Trump. If you get some, let us know and I promise we'll all call for him to hang. Until then, stop insisting we all agree with you when you can't produce anything other than speculation and wishful thinking.

 

[Fbolt]

I stopped at Guthrie. How the hell is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

 

[NDWarrior]

Hey man, I said it was my "reach" conspiracy. It's such an odd abduction with no real purpose other than to distract it seems, and to punish poor Savannah. Of course it's a conspiracy, but again a very strange abduction.

 

[NDWarrior]

stop insisting we all agree

I never insisted. I clearly said you can choose to stay in your MAGA bubble if you'd like... It's your choice.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I never insisted. I clearly said you can choose to stay in your MAGA bubble if you'd like... It's your choice.

So show us the evidence. Not speculation. Not wishful thinking. Not conjecture. Not wishes from your Christmas list. Not parroting the nonsense from Cenk or Maddow. Actual, real, compelling evidence. You know, the kind that would stand up in court, not the kind that just makes people with TDS get moist. There's a HUGE difference. Show us the concrete, provable, credible evidence.

 

[NDWarrior]

You know damn well the problem is that Bondi has been protecting Trump (and Epstein back in the day) since her time as AG for FL and still is today as U.S. Attorney General.

There have been numerous accusations brought against Trump but they're killed or the plaintiff is either intimidated or paid off.

• The "Katie Johnson" Lawsuits (2016): An anonymous woman, known as "Jane Doe" or "Katie Johnson," filed lawsuits in 2016 alleging that she was raped by Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein in 1994, when she was 13 years old, at a party in California and in New York. The lawsuits were voluntarily dismissed or withdrawn, with one attorney citing "numerous threats" against the accuser.
• Allegations in FBI/Epstein Documents: Some documents related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation have contained accusations of misconduct. An anonymous affidavit in a 2016 lawsuit (associated with the "Jane Doe" claims) alleged that a 13-year-old girl was abused by Trump and Epstein, with a witness claiming to have seen the acts.

And of course, there is much to the Epstein files not released and who knows what the FBI has already destroyed.

You're like a U.S. diplomat saying to Japanese government officials, Hey Hiroshima and Nagasaki were obliterated but the U.S. didn't drop the bombs.

But the Japanese insist that the bombers left U.S. bases and they saw them on the radar.

Yes, but did anyone see the bombs actually being released by the B-52 in the clouds? No, ok then bugger off and don't blame the U.S. for the terrible bombings.