Trump Presidency Round 2

[sixstar]

AP, WSJ, and NYT all passing back on this bullshit claim.

The New York Times (@nytimes.com)

Breaking News: In a rambling news briefing, President Trump promoted unproven ties between vaccines, autism and Tylenol use by pregnant women and babies. nyti.ms/46OqOvD

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Now, hopefully the Trump admin restricts access to Tylenol, even if scientific studies and data show safety and efficacy.

Just like the Biden admin restricted access to Ivermectin, even though scientific studies and data showed safety and efficacy.


Did you all know that vets recommend Tylenol for pain management in dogs and pigs?

You are not a dog. You are not a pig. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.

 

[TorontoGold]

*checks notes* Yeah tylenol was being repurposed from its intended use of horse dewormer.

 

[sixstar]

*checks notes* Yeah tylenol was being repurposed from its intended use of horse dewormer.

So, you claim that ivermectin's intended use is a horse dewormer despite the facts that:

1. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine was awarded to two men for treating human diseases with Ivermectin
2. WHO listing ivermectin on its List of Essential Medicines for both adults and children
3. CDC recommending ivermectin usage for humans traveling to the US from certain regions

That's like claiming acetaminophen is primarily just a compound product from coal tar, since that was how it was initially synthesized.

For the record:

• Ivermectin use in humans after initial discovery: 12 years
• Acetaminophen use in humans after initial discovery: 16 years

You said you like scientific studies and data. Why do you ignore the library of positive scientific studies when talking about ivermectin? You routinely brought up negative studies, despite authors having conflicts of interest and despite faulty data analysis, but you never once - not once - acknowledged a positive study of ivermectin's effect on COVID.

Multiple studies estimate that ~20-50% of ALL prescriptions in the US are off-label, just like using IVM for COVID. It's way more common than you think.

By the way: have you signed up for your next highly effective booster yet?

 

[TorontoGold]

So, you claim that ivermectin's intended use is a horse dewormer despite the facts that:

1. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine was awarded to two men for treating human diseases with Ivermectin
2. WHO listing ivermectin on its List of Essential Medicines for both adults and children
3. CDC recommending ivermectin usage for humans traveling to the US from certain regions

That's like claiming acetaminophen is primarily just a compound product from coal tar, since that was how it was initially synthesized.

For the record:

• Ivermectin use in humans after initial discovery: 12 years
• Acetaminophen use in humans after initial discovery: 16 years

You said you like scientific studies and data. Why do you ignore the library of positive scientific studies when talking about ivermectin? You routinely brought up negative studies, despite authors having conflicts of interest and despite faulty data analysis, but you never once - not once - acknowledged a positive study of ivermectin's effect on COVID.

Multiple studies estimate that ~20-50% of ALL prescriptions in the US are off-label, just like using IVM for COVID. It's way more common than you think.

By the way: have you signed up for your next highly effective booster yet?

Yes or no - Did people buy it from farm supplies stores?

Is everything YA BUT WHAT ABOUT *insert xyz antivax grievance* for you?

We're talking about Tylenol and autism. If you want to take ivermectin to treat pain relief for a headache go nuts enjoy.

 

[drayer54]

One hollow mouthpiece to describe another hollow mouthpiece. Brilliant.

 

[drayer54]

Ryan Routh found guilty in Trump golf course assassination attempt

Routh tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen in the courtroom after the verdict was read.

www.nbcnews.com

Both sides need to de-escalate.

 

[sixstar]

Yes or no - Did people buy it from farm supplies stores?

standard toronto response. ignore the points that you can't argue and shift the goal posts to deflect. but sure, i'll humor you.

Context required to answer your question, as you well know. Yes, people purchased IVM from farm supplies store, but only because of illegal federal and state intervention that prevented what should have been normal, standard access to a drug with a very safe profile.

Some people felt they had to resort to buying IVM from farm supplies store because pharmacies across the US (including giants like CVS and Walgreens) refused to prescribe ivermectin (even with a written prescription) due to threats of license loss. some doctors were fined and even had licenses suspended for prescribing ivermectin. some doctors lost certifications that prevented them from treating patients. Even though off label prescriptions are common.

And when people tried to import ivermectin prescriptions from overseas, orders were intercepted and confiscated by US Customs and Border Protection.

So, yes, people bought it from farm supplies store (stupid, in my opinion), but their hands were forced because of illegal intervention that prevented what should have been standard access.

This illegal intervention ignored more than 50 RCTs comprising more than 10,000 participants, showing that IVM's RRR is 0.48 [0.37‑0.62] with p < 0.0001. Again - statistical significance is p < 0.05. At p < 0.0001, that is 500x more certain than baseline statistical significance. To dismiss this is willful ignorance.

Is everything YA BUT WHAT ABOUT *insert xyz antivax grievance* for you?

Stay on topic, toronto. I'm not antivax. Never have been. And I'm not talking about COVID shots. I'm talking about IVM.

Stop conflating topics or misdirecting or deflecting or spinning, or whatever it is that you like to do.

And, to answer your question: obviously not. But if someone complains about the current administration: exhibiting authoritarian behaviors, participating in overreach, suppressing free speech, targeting dissenters, or ignoring science - yes, I will mention this, namely, because the previous administration did all of these things within the last 5 years, and those examples still apply. to get mad at the trump admin while ignoring the same sins from the past admin is hypocrisy.

that said, i realize this might not resonate with you since you have stated that you excuse any overreach or infringement on civil liberties as long as that overreach ends at some point. just don't complain if overreach targets you for any amount of finite time.

We're talking about Tylenol and autism. If you want to take ivermectin to treat pain relief for a headache go nuts enjoy.

you are the best strawman generator on the board, i'll give you that.

 

[TorontoGold]

standard toronto response. ignore the points that you can't argue and shift the goal posts to deflect. but sure, i'll humor you.

Context required to answer your question, as you well know. Yes, people purchased IVM from farm supplies store, but only because of illegal federal and state intervention that prevented what should have been normal, standard access to a drug with a very safe profile.

Some people felt they had to resort to buying IVM from farm supplies store because pharmacies across the US (including giants like CVS and Walgreens) refused to prescribe ivermectin (even with a written prescription) due to threats of license loss. some doctors were fined and even had licenses suspended for prescribing ivermectin. some doctors lost certifications that prevented them from treating patients. Even though off label prescriptions are common.

And when people tried to import ivermectin prescriptions from overseas, orders were intercepted and confiscated by US Customs and Border Protection.

So, yes, people bought it from farm supplies store (stupid, in my opinion), but their hands were forced because of illegal intervention that prevented what should have been standard access.

This illegal intervention ignored more than 50 RCTs comprising more than 10,000 participants, showing that IVM's RRR is 0.48 [0.37‑0.62] with p < 0.0001. Again - statistical significance is p < 0.05. At p < 0.0001, that is 500x more certain than baseline statistical significance. To dismiss this is willful ignorance.

Humouring me? You were the one getting upset at me saying, correctly, that within the context of ivermectin in this discussion that it was being repurposed by people who had bought it from stores selling it as horse dewormer.

If I wanted to be petty, I would point out your spinning and twisting about its Nobel prize or any other unrelated points. But, I won’t.

Stay on topic, toronto. I'm not antivax. Never have been. And I'm not talking about COVID shots. I'm talking about IVM.

Stop conflating topics or misdirecting or deflecting or spinning, or whatever it is that you like to do.

And, to answer your question: obviously not. But if someone complains about the current administration: exhibiting authoritarian behaviors, participating in overreach, suppressing free speech, targeting dissenters, or ignoring science - yes, I will mention this, namely, because the previous administration did all of these things within the last 5 years, and those examples still apply. to get mad at the trump admin while ignoring the same sins from the past admin is hypocrisy.

that said, i realize this might not resonate with you since you have stated that you excuse any overreach or infringement on civil liberties as long as that overreach ends at some point. just don't complain if overreach targets you for any amount of finite time.

Stay on topic? Look at yourself. I made a shitpost about you getting worked up and making everything something relating to what happened during COVID and from the antivax community.

If you want to have some revisionist history about how ivermectin is not prominent with the antivax community or that you don’t see how you would be perceived as antivax then there’s no sense in me playing your grievance game.

You are shoe horning in your grievance about ivermectin into autism and Tylenol. These do not relate. Your average person did not know about ivermectin before antivax circles started promoting it. Your average person uses Tylenol. Again, there are no similarities just you wanting to have another rant about how ivermectin was shadow banned.

you are the best strawman generator on the board, i'll give you that.

Awww don’t sell yourself short! You had a good one about my highly effective booster.

I’m glad to be part of another six stages of grievance with sixstar.

 

[ulukinatme]

Meanwhile, Johns Hopkins and others have been suggesting for years that Tylenol could be linked to Autism, but orange man bad and all that. Now many pregnant women are ingesting a bunch of Tylenol on Tiktok not because they have headaches, but so they can somehow stick it to Trump. Even if Tylenol was potentially fine, why would you even risk your unborn child's life for internet clout? We live in the stupidest timeline.

 

[yankeehater]

Meanwhile, Johns Hopkins and others have been suggesting for years that Tylenol could be linked to Autism, but orange man bad and all that. Now many pregnant women are ingesting a bunch of Tylenol on Tiktok not because they have headaches, but so they can somehow stick it to Trump. Even if Tylenol was potentially fine, why would you even risk your unborn child's life for internet clout? We live in the stupidest timeline.

The crazy thing about this is when Trump made the mention at the Kirk memorial, I thought there was some new discovery. As you could see with the article dates, this had been widely known for some time. Now that "orange man bad" and RFK Jr talk about it the Left goes off the rails in their support and usage of Tylenol.

 

[sixstar]

You were the one getting upset

I didn't get upset. Don't reach.

at me saying, correctly, that within the context of ivermectin in this discussion that it was being repurposed by people who had bought it from stores selling it as horse dewormer.

People using horse medication is irrelevant to my original point. You brought this up. My original point was that human grade IVM prescriptions were illegally restricted by Federal and State overreach.

you moved the goalpost to avoid the obvious parallel.

If I wanted to be petty, I would point out your spinning and twisting about its Nobel prize or any other unrelated points. But, I won’t.

I wasn't spinning or twisting. Don't reach.

You said IVM's intended use is a horse dewormer. Horse dewormer is one of (not the only) primary uses, just like the other primary use is in humans to treat parasitic infections. By insinuating it's not intended for humans, you are objectively incorrect. As evidenced by science: the Nobel Prize, the WHO, and the CDC.

Yes/no: are you able to comprehend that IVM has multiple primary uses? And that it is highly endorsed by both the WHO and CDC for human use?

I made a shitpost

Agree.

making everything something relating to what happened during COVID

Everything? Spin down your hyperbole.

If you want to have some revisionist history about how ivermectin is not prominent with the antivax community

Strawman. I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

or that you don’t see how you would be perceived as antivax

Don't reach. You try to paint broad strokes about someone so they fit in your bias boxes.
If you make a false assumption about me, that's on you, not me.

You are shoe horning in your grievance about ivermectin into autism and Tylenol. These do not relate.

If you lack the brain processing power to see relation, i can't help you.

Your average person did not know about ivermectin before antivax circles started promoting it. Your average person uses Tylenol.

Irrelevant to the original point. The discussion wasn't about prominence. It was about government response. Stay on topic.

Again, there are no similarities

Objectively false.

Awww don’t sell yourself short! You had a good one about my highly effective booster.

Thanks.

 

[IrelandIrish]

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[sixstar]

 

[ulukinatme]

This is just sad. I pray for that family. I wonder how many more have risked overdosing, jeopardizing their lives and their baby's over some politician. The propaganda accounts and social media idiots need to stop pushing stupid shit.

 

[Irish#1]

Very sad. It's been known for years that extensive or regular use of Tylenol can cause liver damage.

 

[dublinirish]

lol this is good banter tbf

 

[Irish#1]

The U.S. economy grew more than thought in the second quarter

Revised GDP data from the Commerce Department puts second-quarter economic growth at 3.8%. That could complicate things for the Federal Reserve, which tends to cut rates when the economy is struggling.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TorontoGold]

I didn't get upset. Don't reach.

No reach on my part.

People using horse medication is irrelevant to my original point. You brought this up. My original point was that human grade IVM prescriptions were illegally restricted by Federal and State overreach.

you moved the goalpost to avoid the obvious parallel.

No goalposts, stay focused. Don't spiral. Stay on topic. Read my post again.

I wasn't spinning or twisting. Don't reach.

You said IVM's intended use is a horse dewormer. Horse dewormer is one of (not the only) primary uses, just like the other primary use is in humans to treat parasitic infections. By insinuating it's not intended for humans, you are objectively incorrect. As evidenced by science: the Nobel Prize, the WHO, and the CDC.

Again, focus. Was ivermectin that was intended for horse dewormer repurposed by people for COVID treatment purposes. Yes or no, no spin.

Slow down, and stay with us. You're smart enough to understand dosage and why that is relevant. Someone self medicating at home regardless of the medicine is dangerous when they're repurposing it.

Yes/no: are you able to comprehend that IVM has multiple primary uses? And that it is highly endorsed by both the WHO and CDC for human use?

Of course it has multiple uses. Animals often take antidepressants that humans take. Doesn't mean someone should take their dogs prescription.

Strawman. I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

My sincerest apologies, you are merely a vaccine skeptic. I don't know how I would ever assume you to be antivax.

Don't reach. You try to paint broad strokes about someone so they fit in your bias boxes.
If you make a false assumption about me, that's on you, not me.

If you lack the brain processing power to see relation, i can't help you.

Irrelevant to the original point. The discussion wasn't about prominence. It was about government response. Stay on topic.

Objectively false.

Thanks.

Let's dial it back in. Focus. Don't spin.

In what way does Trump announcing something about Tylenol have anything to do with ivermectin.



I don't know why anyone would make a shitpost about a guy who can't even pronounce the thing he's going to speak about, and then he follows it up with an all timer. “Nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen,”

Why would anyone shitpost off that??? I'm sorry I don't him and the human raisin seriously.

 

[sixstar]

My sincerest apologies, you are merely a vaccine skeptic. I don't know how I would ever assume you to be antivax.

because you conflate topics and paint with broad strokes rather than striving for understanding and nuance.

yeah, i gave my child almost all of the recommended vax schedule but skipped a couple that didn't make sense.
crazy how i could be against a rushed shot using all new technology while still viewing that separately from other vaccines that have actually proven safe and effective.

seriously though: what high functioning adult wouldn't be skeptical about injecting a product into their body, sold by a public company that primarily cares about revenue maxing (shareholder value) and participates in the largest pool of DC lobbyists?

 

[TorontoGold]

because you conflate topics and paint with broad strokes rather than striving for understanding and nuance.

yeah, i gave my child almost all of the recommended vax schedule but skipped a couple that didn't make sense.
crazy how i could be against a rushed shot using all new technology while still viewing that separately from other vaccines that have actually proven safe and effective.

seriously though: what high functioning adult wouldn't be skeptical about injecting a product into their body, sold by a public company that primarily cares about revenue maxing (shareholder value) and participates in the largest pool of DC lobbyists?

No conflating. Just using what's posted here.

Yeah, welcome to late stage capitalism. Don't you think it's in their best interest to have more lemmings to work and have labor available.

Literally this meme.

 

[ulukinatme]

Saw this was trending, lot of posts the last 4 hours. Take it with a grain of salt as it was first reported by the Blaze, but if it's true the conspiracy theorists got it right again. Right or wrong, it's amazing anybody believes what the government says anymore, you can't trust them. Same with the media. We know for sure Wray knew there were 40 informants at the Capitol, but claimed he didn't know of any personnel there or dodged the questions.

Probe finds no evidence feds were involved in inciting Jan. 6 attack

A watchdog probe has uncovered no evidence that FBI agents were involved in inciting the Jan. 6 attack, undercutting years of baseless claims by far-right figures.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Irish#1]

Like the Trump impeachments, this is going to be a big waste of time and money.

Former FBI Director James Comey indicted following pressure from Trump

The president recently suggested the attorney general should prosecute Comey and other prominent critics. Comey was charged with making a false statement and obstruction.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

Like the Trump impeachments, this is going to be a big waste of time and money.

Former FBI Director James Comey indicted following pressure from Trump

The president recently suggested the attorney general should prosecute Comey and other prominent critics. Comey was charged with making a false statement and obstruction.

www.nbcnews.com

I mean he did lie under oath, did he not?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I mean he did lie under oath, did he not?

No?

"The charges stem from testimony Comey gave on Sept. 30, 2020, during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. Asked by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, about testimony he gave in 2017 asserting that he did not authorize leaking information regarding the FBI’s investigations into President Donald Trump or former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Comey said, “I stand by the testimony.”

Comey’s deputy, Andrew McCabe, has said that Comey authorized him to leak information to the press, according to a 2018 Justice Department inspector general’s report. But the report also found that McCabe made multiple false or misleading statements."

Guess we'll find out at trial?

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Defense attorneys for Comey are likely to cite the DOJ inspector general’s report in his defense. The report found that Comey flatly denied, under oath to investigators, authorizing the McCabe’s leak to the Wall Street Journal.

“So just to make sure there’s no fuzz on it, I did not authorize this,” Comey told investigators. “I would not have authorized this.”

Investigators concluded that “the overwhelming weight of evidence supported Comey’s version of the conversation and not McCabe’s.”

The report’s final paragraph criticized McCabe and said that he had lied under oath when speaking with investigators.


Will Trump's DOJ be going after McCabe next?

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What expert does Trump have prosecuting this case?



Halligan, a former insurance lawyer with no experience as a criminal prosecutor, was sworn in this week. Her former position with the White House was a special assistant tasked with removing “improper ideology” from the Smithsonian museums. She also was part of the legal circle representing Trump in the Mar-a-Lago classified records case.



Oh. El. Oh. El.

 

[LifelongFan]

Horrible human being. Have another drink, Pete.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Horrible human being. Have another drink, Pete.

The fact that things are going so bad for this administration that Hegseth has to announce this..nearly a year after the Biden DoD said that no medals be revoked is really something.

 

[drayer54]

Like the Trump impeachments, this is going to be a big waste of time and money.

Former FBI Director James Comey indicted following pressure from Trump

The president recently suggested the attorney general should prosecute Comey and other prominent critics. Comey was charged with making a false statement and obstruction.

www.nbcnews.com

No one is above the law.

 

[Irish#1]

I mean he did lie under oath, did he not?

Supposedly, but his number two guy who is the primary source has a questionable background. From what I've read it's going to be hard to get a conviction, thus a waste of time and money.

 

[drayer54]

Supposedly, but his number two guy who is the primary source has a questionable background. From what I've read it's going to be hard to get a conviction, thus a waste of time and money.

They probably are following the precedent in the last administration and going to drag him through the mud with the hopes that he gets muddy.