Trump Presidency Round 2

[GowerND11]

Not shocking that white collar snobs abound midday on a Notre Dame message board.

My entire family has always been blue collar until me. My dad worked for Honeywell for 40 years. His dad, on the railroad. His brother in the factory with him. Another as a lineman for PPL. My mom's side... much of the same. I grew up in the Coal Region, I know work, I know blue collar....... Yeah, people don't want to work these jobs anymore. My friends that work for Hydro's Cressona, PA plant (their largest aluminum plant in the US and one of the largest in the world) are constantly looking to find workers. They can't get anyone in there to stay. Starting at $25/hr in a very LCOL area, and they can't get people to fill positions, let alone stay.

I live in the type of region that "yearns" for factories, yet all of these good paying jobs (including some of the good paying distribution centers) struggle to obtain full work forces, despite the claims we want production jobs. But hey, I'm just a midday white collar snob 🤷‍♂️

 

[drayer54]

Not shocking that white collar snobs abound midday on a Notre Dame message board.

You try watching court proceedings for hours on end without flipping windows.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[TorontoGold]

Right- but the guy claimed that they were compelling people to volunteer for the deportation or something crazy like that.

You can add the getaways and encountered, doubt they are counting the ones our tax dollars flew here, and then there are surely more those incompetent pricks didn't even know about. Nobody knows. Kamala, former border-czar, couldn't definitively say, so your number is a guess. I've seen estimates that lower half double digit range. Either way it's a clear demonstration of incompetence from the democrats and a whole hell of a lot of migrants.

Show the estimates that you've seen. You said that Biden had 15M in illegals entering during his presidency. I went through like 5 difference sources to try and find anything that would show those figures. It's on you to back up the claim.

 

[IrishLax]

My entire family has always been blue collar until me. My dad worked for Honeywell for 40 years. His dad, on the railroad. His brother in the factory with him. Another as a lineman for PPL. My mom's side... much of the same. I grew up in the Coal Region, I know work, I know blue collar....... Yeah, people don't want to work these jobs anymore. My friends that work for Hydro's Cressona, PA plant (their largest aluminum plant in the US and one of the largest in the world) are constantly looking to find workers. They can't get anyone in there to stay. Starting at $25/hr in a very LCOL area, and they can't get people to fill positions, let alone stay.

I live in the type of region that "yearns" for factories, yet all of these good paying jobs (including some of the good paying distribution centers) struggle to obtain full work forces, despite the claims we want production jobs. But hey, I'm just a midday white collar snob 🤷‍♂️

These people are so unserious, my family situation is almost exactly the same. Mom grew up in rural America detasseling corn and such. Worked hard, was smart, was in first class of women to go to ND. My dad’s family worked in a furniture factory or was in the military, my dad ended up going to ND as well which is where they met. My grandma scrubbed toilets. Neither side of my family is anything other than salt-of-earth // working class people. My parents were EXCEPTIONS who worked their asses off SPECIFICALLY TO GET GOOD JOBS and live a comfortable life.

No one is going to apologize for doing well in school or getting good jobs because the truth is that almost all Americans DO NOT WANT SHITTY FACTORY JOBS regardless of where you come from. Polling and actual job data are very clear on that. People absolutely prefer other blue collar jobs like construction, etc.

Anyone carrying water for pushing Americans into bad jobs when there are already 500k open manufacturing jobs *while not willing to work that job themselves or have their family work it* is a hypocritical asshole. Fuck off.

 

[Bishop2b5]

These people are so unserious, my family situation is almost exactly the same. Mom grew up in rural America detasseling corn and such. Worked hard, was smart, was in first class of women to go to ND. My dad’s family worked in a furniture factory or was in the military, my dad ended up going to ND as well which is where they met. My grandma scrubbed toilets. Neither side of my family is anything other than salt-of-earth // working class people. My parents were EXCEPTIONS who worked their asses off SPECIFICALLY TO GET GOOD JOBS and live a comfortable life.

No one is going to apologize for doing well in school or getting good jobs because the truth is that almost all Americans DO NOT WANT SHITTY FACTORY JOBS regardless of where you come from. Polling and actual job data are very clear on that. People absolutely prefer other blue collar jobs like construction, etc.

Anyone carrying water for pushing Americans into bad jobs when there are already 500k open manufacturing jobs *while not willing to work that job themselves or have their family work it* is a hypocritical asshole. Fuck off.

I agree that most people don't want factory jobs anymore, but what sort of higher earning jobs are there for the people who don't want to go to college or trade school? There are millions of people working as laborers, forklift drivers, warehouse flunkies, cashiers, and etc. who are making not much more than minimum wage and will never escape poverty unless they get a much better paying job. I realize factory work isn't for everyone, but I'd definitely rather work at a factory making $25 or $30 per hour with good benefits and overtime than make $15 at a dead retail or warehouse job. What better alternative to more factory jobs do you have for those people?

 

[calvegas04]

Freeman should have just blamed Kelly for the Northern Illinois loss

 

[drayer54]

Show the estimates that you've seen. You said that Biden had 15M in illegals entering during his presidency. I went through like 5 difference sources to try and find anything that would show those figures. It's on you to back up the claim.

I can show you people saying 15 million. The point is that you can't prove it wrong. Thats the problem with opening a border. Gotaways plus encounters are only an estimate. That doesn't even include the ones that were flown here or completely evaded border patrol.

I can find the Republican candidate saying how many illegals were brought in. Can you find Harris or Biden providing a number?

 

[TorontoGold]

I can show you people saying 15 million. The point is that you can't prove it wrong. Thats the problem with opening a border. Gotaways plus encounters are only an estimate. That doesn't even include the ones that were flown here or completely evaded border patrol.

I can find the Republican candidate saying how many illegals were brought in. Can you find Harris or Biden providing a number?

Oh good, Donald Trump, known truth teller is a great source.

Heres some quick sources

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

Profile of the Unauthorized Population - US

Learn about the estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States—where do they live? When did they arrive in the United States, and from which origin countries? What are their levels of education, top industries of employment, income, parental and marital status, health...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[BuaConstrictor]

but what sort of higher earning jobs are there for the people who don't want to go to college or trade school?

The IT sector for one...

There are quite a few...but it's mainly public service work, sales, front of house healthcare work, or admin work.

I realize factory work isn't for everyone, but I'd definitely rather work at a factory making $25 or $30 per hour with good benefits and overtime than make $15 at a dead retail or warehouse job. What better alternative to more factory jobs do you have for those people?

Ignoring that people can't get certain jobs for all kinds of reasons, ranging from criminal behavior in their past to personal life situations with children/family commitments, you're underselling just how technical many of these manufacturing or factory jobs have become. A lot of these factories poach from the local trades or grabbing people with manufacturing backgrounds from HS's. Those places have forklift and warehouse workers too and they ain't promoting internally for line work.

 

[calvegas04]

The senate is compromised

 

[calvegas04]

 

[GATTACA!]

Adults in charge 👍👍

 

[NDVirginia19]

The senate is compromised

Maybe not compromised, but surely spineless

 

[IrishLax]

I agree that most people don't want factory jobs anymore, but what sort of higher earning jobs are there for the people who don't want to go to college or trade school? There are millions of people working as laborers, forklift drivers, warehouse flunkies, cashiers, and etc. who are making not much more than minimum wage and will never escape poverty unless they get a much better paying job. I realize factory work isn't for everyone, but I'd definitely rather work at a factory making $25 or $30 per hour with good benefits and overtime than make $15 at a dead retail or warehouse job. What better alternative to more factory jobs do you have for those people?

Most people will take a lower paying blue collar job in other industries right now rather than work in manufacturing. There are a lot of reasons why, but a lot of it is just the psychology of it all. Would you rather do a repetitive task all day, every day or be a carpenter? Or a mason? Or a delivery driver? A job at UPS is way more desirable right now than a job in manufacturing.

The biggest issue right now is unfilled manufacturing jobs — and how for decades we have been using immigrants as the stop gap to fill them and other domestic jobs that struggle to attract workers — and if you really wanted to do something about that the answer is probably tackling disability fraud and welfare programs but that’s a whole different discussion.

 

[IrishLax]

With regard to manufacturing and tariffs… the crazy thing is how they’ve been implemented and how they don’t exempt raw goods or other manufacturing inputs it’s actually going to really hurt manufacturing not help it. Domestic manufacturing was actually heading in a very positive direction before “Liberation Day.” Every supplier I specify for commercial roofing does their manufacturing in the US and they’re all like “uhhhh yeah our costs are going to go up too because we have to get these chemicals from here and these materials from there and there are major taxes on all of that now.” We’re like a month or two away from major supply chain disruption and then that’s when the fun starts.

 

[GowerND11]

Most people will take a lower paying blue collar job in other industries right now rather than work in manufacturing. There are a lot of reasons why, but a lot of it is just the psychology of it all. Would you rather do a repetitive task all day, every day or be a carpenter? Or a mason? Or a delivery driver? A job at UPS is way more desirable right now than a job in manufacturing.

The biggest issue right now is unfilled manufacturing jobs — and how for decades we have been using immigrants as the stop gap to fill them and other domestic jobs that struggle to attract workers — and if you really wanted to do something about that the answer is probably tackling disability fraud and welfare programs but that’s a whole different discussion.

And unionization has been declining in our nation for the last, what, 5 decades. Many states where the new manufacturing is popping up are actively campaigning against unions even existing, trying to dismantle workers' rights that have been fought for, literally, 140-100 years ago.

 

[drayer54]

You post a left-wing conspiracy theorist to try and name a right-wing conspiracy theorist and then we are told about the adults in the room when we finally know who is running the country and the invasion has stopped. Thanks.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Where is the mental acuity crowd on this one?

 

[Irish#1]

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Yes. Chuck Schumer is an idiot.

..perhaps...both are bad and should not be in charge?

Shouldn't you get back to posting racist and sexist material?..since you are a racist and a sexist?

 

[Irish#1]

 

[calvegas04]

Shitty people can call out other shitty people

 

[BuaConstrictor]

1. Articles of Impeachment are idiotic political theatre at this point. They serve no purpose. The Democrats don't have the votes to actually remove Trump from office. Thanedar is a knob.

2. Unsurprisingly, a routine fact check of this story would reveal that Thanedar wasn't even part of the company when this issue occurred in 2010.

3. Just as a reminder, you voted for a rapist and 34x convicted felon. You're fine with Trump holding the highest office in the land but have an issue with someone who was never even convicted of this crime alleged in the tweet putting forth (dumb) legislation.

He's a person of color though, so I'm sure that is your real issue.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Shitty people can call out other shitty people

How dare you, #1 is not a shitty person

 

[calvegas04]

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[BuaConstrictor]