Trump Alternatives

[jprue24]

"In our" lol. He's up +7 points post 'debate' in most polls, +3 post debate here. Scouring the internet for unknown polls is such a losers game.

262M views vs 3M. This is the worst argument to make in the history of Twitter. Trump is winning the primary and it's as clear as ever. Spending time on alternatives is a waste.

Internal post-debate poll shows Trump up big on DeSantis

The GOP debate didn’t change much.

www.semafor.com

Lol, you fuck 🤣 538 being an "obscure" poll. It's ALL THE POLLS aggregated. Shit, go look at real clear politics rollup of all polls and tell me how Trump's support substantialy increased because this "elite" move. This choice didn't do shit for his support one way or another. The data bears that out.

So, after you try to shit on my "obscure poll" (not even a poll), you provide an INTERNAL..an internal poll from the Trump campaign. I would trust a poll of the homeless outside my job than an internal Trump poll

Also, your insistence on trying to use that post view count as something significant makes me wonder if you are illiterate or just can't comprehend junior high level writing. No one is making an arguement that Trump isn't the clear favorite, not sure why you keep beating that drum.

That said, Andrew Tate had more people actually watch his interview. Was that was an elite move for his human trafficking operation?

V interesting discussion on what's actualy going on in Ukraine and why.

Authoritarians like each other...go figure. Post that in the Ukraine thread though, I'm interested what others think of it.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

A thought experiment.

For those on the Left: Would you rather have had Obama lose reelection in 2012 if it meant no Trump in 2016?

 

[Bluto]

A thought experiment.

For those on the Left: Would you rather have had Obama lose reelection in 2012 if it meant no Trump in 2016?

Interesting question.

In hindsight I don’t think Romney and Obama would have been much different policy wise at the end of the day. Probably wouldn’t have changed the makeup of the Supreme Court and maybe keeps the John Bircher nut jobs from running wild. So sure.

If the Democrats weren’t completely out of touch morons they would have nominated Sanders over Clinton in 2016. I think Bernie would have easily won
given where the electorate was at that year.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Interesting question.

In hindsight I don’t think Romney and Obama would have been much different policy wise at the end of the day. Probably wouldn’t have changed the makeup of the Supreme Court and maybe keeps the John Bircher nut jobs from running wild. So sure.

If the Democrats weren’t completely out of touch morons they would have nominated Sanders over Clinton in 2016. I think Bernie would have easily won
given where the electorate was at that year.

I agree on the policy statement. Same w/ SCOTUS. But I do think it would’ve kept Trump from running. Wasn’t he quoted as saying that if he ever ran he’d run as a Republican b/c it provided the easiest path? I think at the time, he may have shifted from being a Democrat to an independent?

Regardless if Romney (or another R) wins in 2012, they would most likely be the favorite (minus a scandal) in 2016. Would Trump have dared to run as a Dem?

 

[jprue24]

A thought experiment.

For those on the Left: Would you rather have had Obama lose reelection in 2012 if it meant no Trump in 2016?

Yes, but I think it was more his initial election, not reelection that led to Trump.

Trump was on the outskirts of politics until he saw an angle with the birth certificate bullshit and fox news kept accepting his calls.


That said, in the 2012 primary I told anyone that would listen that I wanted Romney to win over the frothy anal lub because I would prefer non chaos candidates.

 

[jprue24]

If the Democrats weren’t completely out of touch morons they would have nominated Sanders over Clinton in 2016. I think Bernie would have easily won
given where the electorate was at that yeyear.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Sanders is a losing candidate nationwide. The right was ready and waiting to unleash a new red scare.

Also, Clinton whipped him in the primary. Didn't need super delegates to win and if using GOP rules beat Sanders by a wider margin than Trump beat Cruz.

 

[jprue24]

Wasn’t he quoted as saying that if he ever ran he’d run as a Republican b/c it provided the easiest path?

He never said that.

 

[Bluto]

I couldn't disagree with this more. Sanders is a losing candidate nationwide. The right was ready and waiting to unleash a new red scare.

Also, Clinton whipped him in the primary. Didn't need super delegates to win and if using GOP rules beat Sanders by a wider margin than Trump beat Cruz.

I don’t think Clinton “whipped” Sanders in 2016. She eeked out victories in a number of states.

Anyhow, the analysis you present fails to make a distinction between the democratic primary machine, which went all in to sand bag Sanders in both the 2016 and 2020 primary’s, the general electorate, Sanders appeal to white working class males, his populist appeal (similar to what in part helped propel Trump into the White House) and how many people just didn’t like Clinton.

I think Sanders would have won all the same states as Clinton plus Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin due to his appeal to white working class voters/his populist platform that year. Remember he beat Clinton in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan, two of which Clinton then went on to lose which in turn cost her the election.

Anyhow, in the lead up to 2020 when Sanders won Nevada the Dems and associated corporate media outlets went into full meltdown mode. Chris Mathew’s was basically crying on air. Shit was sad/hilarious.

 

[jprue24]

That analysis fails to make a distinction between the democratic primary machine, which went all in to sand bag Sanders in both the 2016 and 2022 primary’s and the general electorate. I think Sanders would have won all the same states as Clinton plus Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

In 2022 when Sanders won Nevada the Dems and associated corporate media outlets went into full meltdown mode. Chris Mathew’s was basically crying. Shit was sad/hilarious.

Sanders isn't a member of the Democratic Party, you know that right?

 

[Bluto]

Sanders isn't a member of the Democratic Party, you know that right?

I do, but he was running in the democratic primary as the potential democratic nominee. I’m not sure what your point is? Democrats would have stayed home had he been nominated? I doubt that happens.

 

[NorthDakota]

Kristi Noem long-term affair exposed lol. She must have upset Kari Lake.
Or Marjorie Taylor Green.

 

[drayer54]

Kristi Noem long-term affair exposed lol. She must have upset Kari Lake.
Or Marjorie Taylor Green.

I can forgive an affair, but with that guy, it would be tough. Looks like they brought the fling to right here in Carmel, Indiana, too. Lucky us. At least she wasn't camwhoring.

 

[Bluto]

Kristi Noem long-term affair exposed lol. She must have upset Kari Lake.
Or Marjorie Taylor Green.

Sounding like Mar a Lago is the GOP’s answer to Studio 54.

 

[NorthDakota]

I can forgive an affair, but with that guy, it would be tough. Looks like they brought the fling to right here in Carmel, Indiana, too. Lucky us. At least she wasn't camwhoring.

I'm kinda wondering how dumb she is. Just reading the article I must have said that about 5-6 times lol

 

[GATTACA!]

Meatball is cooked. Pack it up and try again in 2028 bozo.

 

[GATTACA!]

Also why the fuck can one of these moderators barely speak english?

 

[Irish#1]

Also why the fuck can one of these moderators barely speak english?

Now you're being insensitive.

 

[jprue24]

Just got a chunk of air time on fox

 

[drayer54]

Just got a chunk of air time on fox

Why not?

He would be much better than Biden and could maybe, just maybe make the Dems spend some of their dark money pile in VA.

 

[NDMatt91]

When Trump loses again in 2024, my hope is that GOP Primary voters finally wake up and get tired of Trump and all of the losing he has caused. Should have quite a few effective Republican candidates in 2028 to choose from. Youngkin, Kemp, DeSantis, etc.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Can Nikki Haley really send special ops into Mexico to wipe out the drug cartels if she's POTUS?

It sounds like a totally awesome thing my mother in law would purchase on QVC.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Just got a chunk of air time on fox

Youngkin channeled CRT rage in VA regarding public education. How is that going to play in the swing states nationally in a general?

How much better is he going to poll against Trump compared to these others?

 

[jprue24]

Can Nikki Haley really send special ops into Mexico to wipe out the drug cartels if she's POTUS?

It sounds like a totally awesome thing my mother in law would purchase on QVC.

She'll probably point to the Bid Laden raid and say Obama set a precedent.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

She'll probably point to the Bid Laden raid and say Obama set a precedent.

I'm wondering if the cartels won't start going after Americans in response?

 

[NorthDakota]

When Trump loses again in 2024, my hope is that GOP Primary voters finally wake up and get tired of Trump and all of the losing he has caused. Should have quite a few effective Republican candidates in 2028 to choose from. Youngkin, Kemp, DeSantis, etc.

I dont think its a given he wins the primary, especially if the field starts consolidating. Donald is polling in the 30s and 40s in NH/IA. He polls in the 50's "nationally", but none of these candidates have been campaigning nationally. So either hes just deeply unpopular (relatively speaking) in NH/IA or republican primary voters in other states aren't nearly as tuned in yet. I dont think its a coincidence that his numbers are what they are in NH/IA.

If the people on the debate stage last night start to behave rationally, they'll trickle out and put their weight behind Ron or Nikki. If they all stay in, then he'll cruise to the nomination. If they get out, I dont think he wins.

 

[jprue24]

I'm wondering if the cartels won't start going after Americans in response?

If they did that, then her Obama precedent actually gets legs

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm wondering if the cartels won't start going after Americans in response?

One could make a pretty good argument they already are. Isn't a ton of fentanyl (sp?) coming via the cartels?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If they did that, then her Obama precedent actually gets legs

Mexico is our biggest trade partner and we share a border with them. I would assume our Generals would not go for this, nor would Congress.

 

[jprue24]

Mexico is our biggest trade partner and we share a border with them. I would assume our Generals would not go for this, nor would Congress.

Of course they wouldn't (not that congress is needed). I am just going through the thought exercise with you.

 

[NorthDakota]

Of course they wouldn't (not that congress is needed). I am just going through the thought exercise with you.

Why wouldn't they though? I have no idea what generals think about Mexican cartels. Hell, the Mexican government might quietly enjoy seeing the drug lords get torched