This is REAL!!!

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Ok, I gotta say something before I f***in explode!! I cannot even begin to start anything about the game today cause I literally won't ever SHUTUP. It is a complete and utter JOKE!!

Kelly is LOSING this team, and the respect from his players. He is yelling so much at his players that the kids don't even care to listen to ANYTHING he is saying, that IS NOT COACHING!!! Trust me, before anyone says anything about its all about fire and there is no problem with yelling, I AGREE WITH THAT! I played for coaches that yelled. I played for intense coaches who got all up in your grill when **** hit the fan, BUT KELLY yells at F***IN EVERYTHING!!! And not just yelling, but seriously to the point where it looks like the dude is going to have a coronary! I saw on NUMEROUS occasion today where he is attempted to yell at players and they just walked and continued to walk right past him. THIS is beyond an attitude problem for Dayne Crist. This is an atmosphere that KELLY is responsible for, and he is LOSING THE RESPECT FORM HIS PLAYERS, I guarantee it!!!!

You can and will always say things about your boss or somebody you know who is a moron, but I can only imagine about what these players discuss to each other about this dude's serious ANGER problems.

It is far too soon to just banish this guy to oblivion, but I can tell you for an absolute certainty, yelling is ONLY effective with some serious positive reinforcement. THAT IS COACHING!!!!!

and before anybody says anything about me thinking I can do better, give me a break. I am and engineer, I am NOT a football coach. But I AM and ex-D1 football player that has been coach by several different coaching types, and I KNOW FOR A FACT, that if BK continues to berate players the way he does, he will not get half, if even, the effort from all of these talented kids.


BTW, putting your QB in that situation at the end of the game is just flat out stupid!!! Coaches make mistakes, and I am sure (hopeful actually) that he will learn from that miserable mistake, but nevertheless, it was absolutely TERRIBLE!!

I'm out before I slit my WRISTS!!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Don't slit your wrists.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Don't slit your wrists.

(sarcasm) please dont call the cops

 

[zemaniak]

remember, down the road not across the street

 

[chyrspchuck]

Don't slit your wrists.

maybe we should create a poll

 

[NDOM]

Ok, I gotta say something before I f***in explode!! I cannot even begin to start anything about the game today cause I literally won't ever SHUTUP. It is a complete and utter JOKE!!

Kelly is LOSING this team, and the respect from his players. He is yelling so much at his players that the kids don't even care to listen to ANYTHING he is saying, that IS NOT COACHING!!! Trust me, before anyone says anything about its all about fire and there is no problem with yelling, I AGREE WITH THAT! I played for coaches that yelled. I played for intense coaches who got all up in your grill when **** hit the fan, BUT KELLY yells at F***IN EVERYTHING!!! And not just yelling, but seriously to the point where it looks like the dude is going to have a coronary! I saw on NUMEROUS occasion today where he is attempted to yell at players and they just walked and continued to walk right past him. THIS is beyond an attitude problem for Dayne Crist. This is an atmosphere that KELLY is responsible for, and he is LOSING THE RESPECT FORM HIS PLAYERS, I guarantee it!!!!

You can and will always say things about your boss or somebody you know who is a moron, but I can only imagine about what these players discuss to each other about this dude's serious ANGER problems.

It is far too soon to just banish this guy to oblivion, but I can tell you for an absolute certainty, yelling is ONLY effective with some serious positive reinforcement. THAT IS COACHING!!!!!

and before anybody says anything about me thinking I can do better, give me a break. I am and engineer, I am NOT a football coach. But I AM and ex-D1 football player that has been coach by several different coaching types, and I KNOW FOR A FACT, that if BK continues to berate players the way he does, he will not get half, if even, the effort from all of these talented kids.


BTW, putting your QB in that situation at the end of the game is just flat out stupid!!! Coaches make mistakes, and I am sure (hopeful actually) that he will learn from that miserable mistake, but nevertheless, it was absolutely TERRIBLE!!

I'm out before I slit my WRISTS!!!!

YEP! What this guy said. Come root for the real kelly.

 

[Junkhead]

I KNOW FOR A FACT, that if BK continues to berate players the way he does, he will not get half, if even, the effort from all of these talented kids.

FOR A FACT???

 

[chyrspchuck]

FOR A FACT???

Seriously Junkhead, he's in the know, or he wouldn't have wrote FOR A FACT or wrote in all caps......

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Seriously Junkhead, he's in the know, or he wouldn't have wrote FOR A FACT or wrote in all caps......

Yeah. Sounds like he's got an "in." I guess we should all start writing letters.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Seriously Junkhead, he's in the know, or he wouldn't have wrote FOR A FACT or wrote in all caps......

HAHA, be it as it may......

Its a FACT not only cause I say it (LMAO), but because it doesnt take somebody with a genius IQ to know that a good manager (Coaching is all about managing) cannot act like this and get the most out of his players/employees.

These kids watch Sportscenter... They read the blogs and articles.... They aren't stupid. It doesn't take a genius to KNOW FOR A FACT that there is CLEARY a dissention between him and his players RIGHT NOW.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

HAHA, be it as it may......

Its a FACT not only cause I say it (LMAO), but because it doesnt take somebody with a genius IQ to know that a good manager (Coaching is all about managing) cannot act like this and get the most out of his players/employees.

These kids watch Sportscenter... They read the blogs and articles.... They aren't stupid. It doesn't take a genius to KNOW FOR A FACT that there is CLEARY a dissention between him and his players RIGHT NOW.

Agree with this, and I've gotten shot down for this. The rest is speculation, since we don't know what is going on up there in South Bend. But I agree that being publicly berated can cause dissension. Actually, I know for a FACT that it causes dissension.

 

[mgriff]

It all depends on the player. Some kids respond well to Kelly's style, and some don't. He'll bring out the best in some and force some others to regress if he coaches every player like that. They are individuals and don't all require the same things. I don't fault him for yelling, that's the coaches I always grew up playing for, but he needs to realize some kids don't respond well to negative expressions.

 

[ARALOU]

I actually thought the same thing when I watched Eifert walk off the field right past Kelly and his usual screaming facial expression. Looks ridiculous and has gotten old. He does it after almost every series. CW couldn't inspire them and they seem to despise Kelly. If that's not the case it sure appears that way.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

It all depends on the player. Some kids respond well to Kelly's style, and some don't. He'll bring out the best in some and force some others to regress if he coaches every player like that. They are individuals and don't all require the same things. I don't fault him for yelling, that's the coaches I always grew up playing for, but he needs to realize some kids don't respond well to negative expressions.

I couldnt agree more. As i said, I played for coaches that yelled all the time, and I felt it lit a fire under my a**. But, for the people that DON'T respond well to this (which obviously ND has LOTS OF RIGHT NOW), is where "managing", and knowing how to get the most out your players is required.

Let me stress the point.... I said that Kelly is "LOSING", not "LOST" his respect from his players. He is LOSING it because he is not MANAGING his current players, and his current players personalities. Its got NOTHING to do with "attidue". A good/great manager gets the most out of EVERY PERSON HE/SHE leads. As it is right now, all of these kids see the CONSTANT berating of EVERYBODY (not just Dayne). Mayock talked about it ALL GAME TODAY.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

It all depends on the player. Some kids respond well to Kelly's style, and some don't. He'll bring out the best in some and force some others to regress if he coaches every player like that. They are individuals and don't all require the same things. I don't fault him for yelling, that's the coaches I always grew up playing for, but he needs to realize some kids don't respond well to negative expressions.

You played for screamers all your life? Let me ask you, did you ever play for a winning team? Before I sound like I am striking Kelly down, let me add, he is in charge of an entire program, and he has chosen his staff wisely to date. Balance happens that way. Let Kelly be the screamer, as long as he has the straight shooter on staff for balance. If the entire staff is filled with screamers, then good luck, good riddance. I don't think that is the case here.

Military drill sergeants are there for a purpose. A drill sergeant would never last in any other setting.

 

[zemaniak]

it sickens me that these so-called 4 star talent SCHOLARSHIP students are playing soft so often in the first place, requiring said berating from BK

Then again, why keep them on the field if they don't respect you? seems like a harsher punishment then yelling, and more effective if said player isn't responding to him

 

[mgriff]

You played for screamers all your life? Let me ask you, did you ever play for a winning team? Before I sound like I am striking Kelly down, let me add, he is in charge of an entire program, and he has chosen his staff wisely to date. Balance happens that way. Let Kelly be the screamer, as long as he has the straight shooter on staff for balance. If the entire staff is filled with screamers, then good luck, good riddance. I don't think that is the case here.

Military drill sergeants are there for a purpose. A drill sergeant would never last in any other setting.

I would like to correct that, my freshmen coach was not a screamer, but I only had him for one year. Pee-wee and then sophomore through senior seasons were all screamers. We won two conference titles, so we were moderately successful. We never won district or state, but we were always well above .500 competing.

 

[blnewcomer]

Ok, I gotta say something before I f***in explode!! I cannot even begin to start anything about the game today cause I literally won't ever SHUTUP. It is a complete and utter JOKE!!

Kelly is LOSING this team, and the respect from his players. He is yelling so much at his players that the kids don't even care to listen to ANYTHING he is saying, that IS NOT COACHING!!! Trust me, before anyone says anything about its all about fire and there is no problem with yelling, I AGREE WITH THAT! I played for coaches that yelled. I played for intense coaches who got all up in your grill when **** hit the fan, BUT KELLY yells at F***IN EVERYTHING!!! And not just yelling, but seriously to the point where it looks like the dude is going to have a coronary! I saw on NUMEROUS occasion today where he is attempted to yell at players and they just walked and continued to walk right past him. THIS is beyond an attitude problem for Dayne Crist. This is an atmosphere that KELLY is responsible for, and he is LOSING THE RESPECT FORM HIS PLAYERS, I guarantee it!!!!

You can and will always say things about your boss or somebody you know who is a moron, but I can only imagine about what these players discuss to each other about this dude's serious ANGER problems.

It is far too soon to just banish this guy to oblivion, but I can tell you for an absolute certainty, yelling is ONLY effective with some serious positive reinforcement. THAT IS COACHING!!!!!

and before anybody says anything about me thinking I can do better, give me a break. I am and engineer, I am NOT a football coach. But I AM and ex-D1 football player that has been coach by several different coaching types, and I KNOW FOR A FACT, that if BK continues to berate players the way he does, he will not get half, if even, the effort from all of these talented kids.


BTW, putting your QB in that situation at the end of the game is just flat out stupid!!! Coaches make mistakes, and I am sure (hopeful actually) that he will learn from that miserable mistake, but nevertheless, it was absolutely TERRIBLE!!

I'm out before I slit my WRISTS!!!!

I guess my only problem with this post is making the assertion that he is losing the respect of his players. There are way too many factors that are going unnoticed. You only know what your seeing on TV.

With that said, I obviously watched the game, and I also saw more than one player walk past Kelly seemingly uninterested. I saw Kelly screaming 4-letter words that were easily read on his lips. However, there are a number of things that we just don't know. Was Brian simply stating his displeasure with that certain player in a single sentence? I mean, I find it hard to believe coach would just let his players blantantly disrespect him like that on national television. If he was planning on having a conversation which required his player to respond I have to believe they would not walk away.

Brain Kelly has passion and fire and that is easily seen.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

it sickens me that these so-called 4 star talent SCHOLARSHIP students are playing soft so often in the first place, requiring said berating from BK

Then again, why keep them on the field if they don't respect you? seems like a harsher punishment then yelling, and more effective if said player isn't responding to him

Yep. Bench his ***. Let him think about it.

 

[choo choo]

played for and coached with screamers and others...idk but the ones that were most successful were the ones who were themselves...if thats the coaches true personality it just seems to show...one can just kinda tell when a coach is not being himself...i dont have a problem with kelly or any other coach yelling per se...BUT i do have a problem when they're bitching and screaming at players who aren't prepared (the coaches job)...like, oh say at halftime of the navy game, uh we didnt know they were gonna run the veer? really, really, your gonna admit that...i understand that navy may not have come out in the exact offense as usual, but its a ****ing triple option and is defended pretty much the same way...sometimes you have to make some adjustments but ****...anyway i wish him well but so far im not very impressed with kelly...looks more and more like he's trying to cover his own ***

 

[tko]

I actually thought the same thing when I watched Eifert walk off the field right past Kelly and his usual screaming facial expression. Looks ridiculous and has gotten old. He does it after almost every series. CW couldn't inspire them and they seem to despise Kelly. If that's not the case it sure appears that way.

maybe Eifert should catch the ball. he probably walked past b/c it was yet another instance of killing a drive. he and goodman are repeat offenders. should kelly let them continue to live in a mediocre world or yell at them til they finally start making plays. kelly's words to eifert were "make a play!", although maybe there was an f bomb or two in there. all kelly wants at this point is for these kids to just do the basics and that seems so hard to accomplish. who is at fault on this, i don't know, but kelly's yelling doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[bjohnmwc]

I think we saw some positive reinforcement when Kelly walked off the field with his arm around Rees. Keep in mind that we don't see what happens behind the scenes at practice and in meetings. The guy wants to win; let's be honest, he's being run through the ringer in all these blogs and, I'm sure, thought the team would be more successful than it has been.

You're right that we are losing players left and right -- not to Kelly, but to injuries. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Rudolph and Floyd next year - senior years, or draft years.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Don't slit your wrists.

Where'd that come from?

To the point, Brian Kelly does what Brian Kelly wants. With a program in place that stupid decision yesterday would have been a touchdown.

You know who doesn't get yelled at? Tommy Rees.

 

[tko]

Auburn hated Gene Chizik his first year. We'll see what happens with Kelly. ND football head coach is the toughest job in all of sports.

 

[irishff1014]

Here lately i have cared for much of the play calling to start the games to get us going today was another one. But if you don't like the yelling don't f**k up. it is just that easy. Goodman what a laughing stock he couldn't catch a velcro beach ball with velcro gloves on. ANd Kelly was psoitive towards the QB for making good throws and Goodman and Eifert dorpped them and he gave them ****.

 

[Old Man Mike]

This was an odd thread to read. The main discussion about what goes on in people's minds on the sidelines, and the psychological effects that these alleged effects have on their play, seem to be based on no actual facts which are related to the situation being discussed. I am not "disturbed" or against people offering their speculations based on their own real experiences, but it would be nice to hear those posters offer them with with a bit more humility as to how speculative they are, and admitting at the same time that they don't really know what the sideline and psychological status actually is. Perhaps we have the benefit of having telepathic posters. If so, please inform us of that unusual talent so we can appreciate the facts that none of the rest of us are privy to. I know that i don't know squat about the reality of almost anything going on here, but at least try to moderate my commentary accordingly.

 

[ARALOU]

I stated my opinion and ended it with "if that is not the case it sure appears to be". I have been on a sideline or two. Not that one but I say if the guys need constant berating then sit them out! I bet he has a tremendous headache after a game because of all the yelling. He can prove me wrong and I will accept it gladly. Right now I feel he is in over his head. Time will tell. I also didn't like the comment "you might as well get used to it" in the PC afterwards. You exploit a mismatch in coverage in the beginning and middle of the game. Not when there is forty seconds left and you are in field goal range, down by one point! His reason for that is the mismatch? Like I said before, if Floyd catches the ball for six I still say its a bad call. The win would have been nice though.

 

[IlovethehireofCoachKelly]

When Coach kelly yells at his players it is not berating them. A qoute I will always remember is "Don't listen to how I'm saying it, just listen to what I'm saying". The same reason why these kids can't handle this "berating" is the same reason why we can't finish off an oppenent. Tough people in general don't let words have an effect on their psyche. As most of us grew up with the that little saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". We all know those soft-a** kids that let words hurt thier feelings. Do you really think you are gonna win championship with kids like those. The last thing I will say is everytime Coach Kelly yells at a kid they deserve it. Those kids are making some mistakes that are very critial. Some of the players we have there right now just don't have what it takes to get us to the level we are looking for. I wont call out names but just when you see Coach kelly yell at the time and time again, those are the ones.

 

[kmoose]

Its a FACT not only cause I say it (LMAO), but because it doesnt take somebody with a genius IQ to know that a good manager (Coaching is all about managing) cannot act like this and get the most out of his players/employees.

What's a fact is that Kelly's demeanor is very calm, compared to the demeanor of the Drill Sergeant's that I had in Boot Camp. And I can assure you, they got the most out of us. 18-19-20 year old kids are more receptive to this type of behavior than you are giving them credit for, I think.

 

[johnnykillz]

Auburn hated Gene Chizik his first year. We'll see what happens with Kelly. ND football head coach is the toughest job in all of sports.

I was just thinking about that while sitting on the pot; consequently, I opened my laptop and read this just afterwards. What are the chances? (Taking a poop, then thinking about Notre Dame...)

Gene Chizik took a ton of tough times in the last few. Now he's at the top. But you have to wonder how much a star player means to a team. I wonder where Florida would be had Cam Newton not trannsferred and he had stayed with Florida...

I hope we are able to get the players that will lead this team back to the promise land. Because I think THE REAL Kelly can do it, if given the chance.

Mediocrity was nice. Where are we now?