The USC Trial Thread

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The trial comes in 3 days. Wins from 03 and 04 are possible going to be vacated. USC will have restricted TV coverage and restricted from bowl games for some amount of years, yet to be determined......... :mob::mob:

Great article on the possabilities below.

Notre Dame Football - What Is A Fair Punishment?

Throw the book at the Mother f*****s, thats my opinion.
 
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I really wish that Pete, Reggie, Timmy Floyd and O.J. Mayo(naise) could get punished. Don't know how they could be or even if they could what would be fair though. Maybe a fine or suspension without pay. Not going to happen but it would be fun if it would.
 
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I hate it when they vacate wins. I think it's a cheap slap on the wrist because all it does is wipe them from their(USC) record books like they didn't even play the game, while the other team still has a lost in their column. Which one more win that year could of projected them to a bowl game or even a better bowl bid.

I think they should take schollie away from the specific program that was doing the wrong doings, not, giving the wussy treatment like vacating wins..
 
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DirtySecret said:
I hate it when they vacate wins. I think it's a cheap slap on the wrist because all it does is wipe them from their(USC) record books like they didn't even play the game, while the other team still has a lost in their column. Which one more win that year could of projected them to a bowl game or even a better bowl bid.

I think they should take schollie away from the specific program that was doing the wrong doings, not, giving the wussy treatment like vacating wins..
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Yeah, but they won a national championship one or both of those years. That is pretty big. What if the NCAA said they are taking away ND's 1988 National Championship year. That would hurt big time. I think they should take the wins, drop them to only 70/75 schollies for 2 years, and drop some recruiting visits for football. Basketball is a different story.
 
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I know they wont do it, but its not going to stop me from saying it.....

Drop the effin hammer you spineless, worthless NCAA idiots. Show that you have SOME degree of integrity left.




ahh, I feel better now...



one thing ive heard is that the ncaa was stonewalled in the their football investigation, and they are going to wait for the bush trial depositions (now that the gag order is not going to happen) to further the football investigation. I will admit, I have no clue if that is accurate, just what I have heard. One result I would like to see from all this, Seanthreal Henderson revoking his USC commit and going somewhere else(anywhere else). it would look bad for USC, and anything that makes USC look bad is a good thing :)

other tidbits: USC and Reggie Bush have not been getting along too well. I heard Petros say on the radio the other day, in a very frustrated, stressed voice, "I dont know Reggie Bush didnt pay off that guy 3 years ago when he had the chance, all of this would have been moot." I was shocked to hear him say that, it made me think that Reggie Bush is going to say some things in his deposition that is going to be very damaging to USC.
 
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TDHeysus said:
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one thing ive heard is that the ncaa was stonewalled in the their football investigation, and they are going to wait for the bush trial depositions (now that the gag order is not going to happen) to further the football investigation. ...
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The NCAA is not a governmental entity like cities, States, or the Feds. They lack the subpoena power that those governmental entities have at their disposable. By waiting on a civil or criminal action to take place they can then use those documents, taken under oath, as evidence. In reality snagglepuss gets a set of teeth.
 
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If they dont get something worse than at least what FSU got, im gonna be super pissed off. FSU turned themselves in, and it cost Bobby B his all time wins mark, because he was ahead of Joe Pa.

If they dont get something worse than that, the NCAA is crap and biased like no other.
 
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one thing I am already sick of hearingbefore I even hear it, if SC does indeed get hit is this stupid "why punish the current kids for what happened five years ago???... makes no sense." in regards to postseason bans and scholy loses...

I hate that shit... so let's not punish anyone... and the fact is the same crooked shit that got Bush and others on campus five years ago is the same stuff that got the current players there... drop the hammer on every last one of them... hopefully lesson learned
 
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for some reason i feel like whatever the ncaa does it wont be enough.

hopefully they get the death penalty.

personally i would like to see, wins and championships vacated, heismans from reggie and leinart returned, schollies reduced, and 2 year tv and post season ban. and personal apologies from pete and the cheater coaches and players.

if they stamp usc with "lack of institutional control." it could get bad for sc
 
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mick2 said:
for some reason i feel like whatever the ncaa does it wont be enough.

hopefully they get the death penalty.

personally i would like to see, wins and championships vacated, heismans from reggie and leinart returned, schollies reduced, and 2 year tv and post season ban. and personal apologies from pete and the cheater coaches and players.

if they stamp usc with "lack of institutional control." it could get bad for sc
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they robbed us of a title game in 05... AT LEAST....


yeah, it won't be enough
 
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I would like to see vacated wins, as previously said; wins that include the NC's. Recent FSU vacated wins is a good model to start with. Obviously, I'm biased, but I think USC should get at the very least what FSU got. That would be embarassing to USC, which is the best part. they can no longer boast about those NC's, and all the wins are tainted, even the 'legitimate' ones. Mike Garrett will 'retire'. The whole PTC program will be tainted with numerous, numerous arrests for various crimes by various players, culminated with vacated wins for various infractions. At that point even the allegations that cant be 'proved' would look suspicious.

I tend to agree about not punishing current players for past issues. However, there has to be some type of consequence to stop the university from captilizing on their infractions. Recruits, especially this year, knew full well what could possibly happen to USC in the near future. It would be their own fault for getting trapped at USC.

Vacated wins.
Embarassment.
2 (maybe3?) year bowl ban.

They can keep all the schollys and even play on TV(locally, not nationally - no saturday night, espn, etc for USC), Reggie can keep his tainted Heisman too. But vacated wins, and no post season play for 2, 3? years. That would discourage recruits for 1-2 years, and put a hiccup in their program; rather than a full death penalty-type of sanction.
 
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I read somewhere that the Ncaa almost never wants to drop the death penalty ever again, because of the way it killed smu, but they came dangerously close to doing it back in 2000 when alabama was found guilty of violations.

in that case bama was already on probation for previous violations and then was found guilty again.

either way you dice it, the ncaa doesnt like it when you give players improper benefits.

although, i fully expect nothing to happen.
 
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mick2 said:
I read somewhere that the Ncaa almost never wants to drop the death penalty ever again, because of the way it killed smu, but they came dangerously close to doing it back in 2000 when alabama was found guilty of violations.

in that case bama was already on probation for previous violations and then was found guilty again.

either way you dice it, the ncaa doesnt like it when you give players improper benefits.

although, i fully expect nothing to happen.
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I agree. I dont think ANYTHING will happen. Just a feeling. Usc gets owns the NCAA.
 
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If USC really has done nothing wrong, then it has nothing to fear from Friday's news that Michaels -- one of Bush's jilted wannabe marketers -- may soon be speaking out under oath, too. Seems the confidentiality clause that Michaels agreed to in exchange for a reported $300,000 settlement that Bush paid him in 2007 has a hitch: While it prevents Michaels from talking to the likes of the NCAA, it doesn't prevent Michaels from testifying in legal proceedings if he's subpoenaed.

And now Michaels has been.

On Friday -- just as USC running backs coach Todd McNair was among those enduring a second straight day of grilling by the NCAA -- an attorney for Michaels' former business partner, Lloyd Lake, told Yahoo.com that Michaels is scheduled to give a sworn deposition March 5 for Lake's civil case against Bush in San Diego. A judge recently denied a request by Bush's attorneys to force Lake to submit to confidential arbitration.
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Mike Garrett, USC Trojans may finally be forced to confront recruiting issues, Johnette Howard writes - ESPN
 
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I hope that they lose scholarships and the national title of course but they need to be punished in real life it still lets the kids being recruited no that they can get free stuff
 
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fsu players got cheap text books and cheated on a bs course, usc players got luxuary suv's and large houses for themslves and their families! the penalty for usc should be tremendously more severe! hell the one boosters company was even called usc marketing...when he got cought he claimed it stood for united states - china!!! lol!!!! they are the real life "the program"!!! lol!
 
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at lunch today, i was speaking about this with a co-worker and he brings up a good point. Its very possible that nothing will ever come out of this; lets assume that the NCAA is waiting for bush trial depositions to collect more evidence.......what if 'USC' can settle this thing before it hits court? What if they pay everyone off before the mud is thrown around in court?

It makes sense for 'USC' to foot the bill for everything; paying off the guy that wants the 300K from bush, paying off bush to keep quiet, to make all this go away. Lets say they give 300k to the guy suing Bush, and then pay off Bush with another 300K to 'quiet' him.

Wouldnt 600K be worth it to USC to make all this go away? to keep all the wins, the NC's, and most of all, to save face? I think, yes.

I'm not saying its going to go down this way, but it was just an interesting point brought up today during lunch.
 
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The only problem with that is the simple fact that sh*t's already hit the fan--that and USC broke NCAA rules. Once you break the rules and it goes public forcing NCAA action, you can rest assured knowing that there would be no monetary settlement big enough to make it go away.
 
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What you guys have to realize is that this was the longest hearings they've had that anyone can remember as far as length of time goes. The first 2 days were devoted entirely to football. The SC guys were getting grilled, in particular the RB coach who was a prominent figure in the Bush case. In other words, these guys weren't fu**ing around, they wanted answers. Then they spent a 3rd day discussing basketball, which as we know were no saints themselves.

Now, this could turn out to be much ado about nothing, and the NCAA could let them get away with it all. But after all the reading I've done on these hearings, I think SC will not get the slap on the wrist I was expecting earlier, and I think they'll get hit pretty hard, especially if they are deemed repeat offenders, which is very possible. I'm sure they'll vacate wins (which is bullshit if that is all they get), but I can see them losing schollies and HOPEFULLY being bowl ineligible a year. I know that's probably wishing too much but I hate those a-holes and any player who chooses to go there, so I hope they get theirs. We shall see...
 
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I will not be happy unless they are banned from bowl games for 3 years, lose at least 5 scholarships a year, and Reggie Bu$h shovels my driveway for a year at least.
 
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