The Stakes Just Got Higher

[GoldenDomer]

Urban has the Bucks in the national championship.
Michigan State consistently tough.
Harbaugh to scUM.

All in our backyard.

Your move Brian Kelly. Let's rise to OSU's standard.

 

[Dizzyphil]

10-4 that ^^^^

Gonna make it tough to pick out of the upper mid-west!

Diz

 

[Irish YJ]

To be the best, you got to beat the best.
That goes for recruiting too.

 

[Ignats]

Kind of interesting that all 4 teams were not very good at stopping the run today. Granted there are some very talented backs but some of the elite defensive efforts I expected in these games didn't really materialize.

 

[dshans]

... Let's rise to OSU's standard.

Please clarify.

Is that rise or sink to tOsu's standards?

I'm including academic, felonious, football program graduation rates and winning percentage in the metric/equation/matrix/Venn Diagram.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Please clarify.

Is that rise or sink to tOsu's standards?

I'm including academic, felonious, football program graduation rates and winning percentage in the metric/equation/matrix/Venn Diagram.

Competing for national championships. I'm talking about football. What I watched on TV tonight.

 

[Classic Irish]

Competing for national championships. I'm talking about football. What I watched on TV tonight.

I understand your point, but Ohio State does it in a way that is not consistent with Notre Dame's values. Meyer was an assistant at ND and knows what coaching at ND entails. He wants no part of it. And, as an alumnus, I hope we don't sell out to be like Ohio State. That's not what ND is about.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I understand your point, but Ohio State does it in a way that is not consistent with Notre Dame's values. Meyer was an assistant at ND and knows what coaching at ND entails. He wants no part of it. And, as an alumnus, I hope we don't sell out to be like Ohio State. That's not what ND is about.

I'm merely talking about on the field. Let's start winning these recruiting battles and winning more games.

 

[drake29]

I understand your point, but Ohio State does it in a way that is not consistent with Notre Dame's values. Meyer was an assistant at ND and knows what coaching at ND entails. He wants no part of it. And, as an alumnus, I hope we don't sell out to be like Ohio State. That's not what ND is about.

Riiiiight, like ND has always had a squeaky clean program...I'm so tired of this BS about how ND does it the right way and everyone else is dirty. Guess what? ND has players that cheat on tests/homework/essays just like everyone else. Their players drink and some probably participate in recreational drug use. There are undoubtedly players on Notre Dame's roster that use steroids. To me there should be no middle ground, no gray area. Either be like EVERY OTHER PRO GRAM IN CFB (and spend more money than everyone else because we know ND is good for it) or stick the kids in a supervised dorm under lock and key; no parties, no academic dishonesty, no violations....So tired of mediocrity for the most storied football program in college football history.

 

[irishknight35]

I'm merely talking about on the field. Let's start winning these recruiting battles and winning more games.

It may not be "with the times" of current college football but Notre Dame seems to be keeping to it's core values as an institution of higher learning with high expectations on more then just the football field on your TV. That's what ND has proven to be as much as it may hurt the football program. They've been consistent in that manor.

 

[irishknight35]

Riiiiight, like ND has always had a squeaky clean program...I'm so tired of this BS about how ND does it the right way and everyone else is dirty. Guess what? ND has players that cheat on tests/homework/essays just like everyone else. Their players drink and some probably participate in recreational drug use. There are undoubtedly players on Notre Dame's roster that use steroids. To me there should be no middle ground, no gray area. Either be like EVERY OTHER PRO GRAM IN CFB (and spend more money than everyone else because we know ND is good for it) or stick the kids in a supervised dorm under lock and key; no parties, no academic dishonesty, no violations....So tired of mediocrity for the most storied football program in college football history.

I think the football program wouldn't mind some greater leeway in being able to keep up in the this current age of college football but the administration at ND as been fairly consistent on their desire not to see that happen at ND.

 

[Classic Irish]

Riiiiight, like ND has always had a squeaky clean program...I'm so tired of this BS about how ND does it the right way and everyone else is dirty. Guess what? ND has players that cheat on tests/homework/essays just like everyone else. Their players drink and some probably participate in recreational drug use. There are undoubtedly players on Notre Dame's roster that use steroids. To me there should be no middle ground, no gray area. Either be like EVERY OTHER PRO GRAM IN CFB (and spend more money than everyone else because we know ND is good for it) or stick the kids in a supervised dorm under lock and key; no parties, no academic dishonesty, no violations....So tired of mediocrity for the most storied football program in college football history.

Idiotic and ignorant comment. I didn't claim that ND was squeaky clean, but you're proposing stuff that amounts to selling out. We need not do that. Question (and I suspect I know the answer): did you go to ND??

 

[Nick Setta]

I go to Ohio State and when the frozen five comes up my friends always say "why didn't you sweep it under the rug like we do". This was from multiple people who have witnessed it first hand.

 

[drake29]

It may not be "with the times" of current college football but Notre Dame seems to be keeping to it's core values as an institution of higher learning with high expectations on more then just the football field on your TV. That's what ND has proven to be as much as it may hurt the football program. They've been consistent in that manor.

Again, do some of you guys really believe this? Michael Floyd was suspended 0 games for a DUI....Zero. and who cares about Spring ball. Prince Shambo - do I even have to go there?

 

[GoldenDomer]

It may not be "with the times" of current college football but Notre Dame seems to be keeping to it's core values as an institution of higher learning with high expectations on more then just the football field on your TV. That's what ND has proven to be as much as it may hurt the football program. They've been consistent in that manor.

I get that. But losing guys like Hilliard to OSU and Edwards to Stanford has nothing to do with that. I'm not saying become F$U, let's just recruit a little harder.

 

[Nick Setta]

Again, do some of you guys really believe this? Michael Floyd was suspended 0 games for a DUI....Zero. and who cares about Spring ball. Prince Shambo - do I even have to go there?

Did Shembo do anything that deserved punishment? It was investigated and he was found to be innocent. So...

 

[Classic Irish]

Again, do some of you guys really believe this? Michael Floyd was suspended 0 games for a DUI....Zero. and who cares about Spring ball. Prince Shambo - do I even have to go there?

Wrong. And his name is Prince Shembo. And if you knew anything about the case, troll, you would know that there was no reason to discipline Shembo. But nice try posing as an ND fan, idiot. Do better trolling next time.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Drake29, go home you're drunk.

This thread was intended to talk about the momentum surge of midwestern football and how we need to elevate our level of play...

 

[Crazy Balki]

Again, do some of you guys really believe this? Michael Floyd was suspended 0 games for a DUI....Zero. and who cares about Spring ball. Prince Shambo - do I even have to go there?

Floyd was indefinitely suspended, and had to prove to Kelly that he was a new person and learned from his mistakes. So far, I'd say it's worked. Hasn't been in trouble with the law since.

Shembo? Again, you assume that he was accused of something. You continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself.

 

[drake29]

Idiotic and ignorant comment. I didn't claim that ND was squeaky clean, but you're proposing stuff that amounts to selling out. We need not do that. Question (and I suspect I know the answer): did you go to ND??

No, I did not go to ND. I was more interested in earning a college scholarship for athletics out of high school because it seems much more realistic (and fun) as opposed to studying my ass off day and night to have the chance to be accepted into a college there was no way my family could ever afford to send me to. I have no interest in whether or not any Notre Dame Football fans actually went to the school and truthfully it's something only a stuck up asshole would bring up. It's even worse than fans of a sports team that dog on new fans for jumping on the bandwagon. Get over yourself, this is football. These are young men responsible for making their own decisions, which in quite a few instances are wrong, immature, or just plain stupid. I'm not saying run a dirty program. I'm saying cut the high and mighty bullshit. Use the positives to your advantage but stop killing the program with petty shit like this academic fraud case. The way they handle incidents is ridiculous.

 

[drake29]

Floyd was indefinitely suspended, and had to prove to Kelly that he was a new person and learned from his mistakes. So far, I'd say it's worked. Hasn't been in trouble with the law since.

Shembo? Again, you assume that he was accused of something. You continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Shembo was absolutely accused, he just wasn't held out of any football activity during an investigation. No it wasn't his fault that police failed to interview him immediately. And no I'm not saying he was guilty of anything. I'm saying in the circumstance it would have been wise to keep him out a game until they figured out what the hell was going on.

As far as Floyd goes - Mike was given an ultimatum after two previous run ins for alcohol related crimes. Strike 3 got him held out for spring ball...He didn't suffer academically or athletically. It was a slap on the wrist. How about Carlos Calabrese and Tommy Rees. You guys need to eat a slice of humble pie - I get what the university is about but the football program sits in a gray area between being a finer academic institution and being what ND football was 30 years ago.

 

[Classic Irish]

No, I did not go to ND. I was more interested in earning a college scholarship for athletics out of high school because it seems much more realistic (and fun) as opposed to studying my ass off day and night to have the chance to be accepted into a college there was no way my family could ever afford to send me to. I have no interest in whether or not any Notre Dame Football fans actually went to the school and truthfully it's something only a stuck up asshole would bring up. It's even worse than fans of a sports team that dog on new fans for jumping on the bandwagon. Get over yourself, this is football. These are young men responsible for making their own decisions, which in quite a few instances are wrong, immature, or just plain stupid. I'm not saying run a dirty program. I'm saying cut the high and mighty bullshit. Use the positives to your advantage but stop killing the program with petty shit like this academic fraud case. The way they handle incidents is ridiculous.

Ok, you're obviously an idiot and don't get how ND works. That's fine and good to know---now I don't have to waste my time and can ignore your posts. Hopefully 2015 will provide you with maturity, intelligence, grace, and enlightenment. Happy New Year, dumb ass!

 

[dshans]

I'm merely talking about on the field. Let's start winning these recruiting battles and winning more games.

I agree that attracting recruits that can win on the field is crucial. What is more crucial is the way in which it is approached and accomplished.

Should the football team community become a separate footsbawl enclave unlike, apart and "elevated" above and beyond the general student population? The value of special skills, be they physical, social or academic, are valid considerations in light of balancing the community-at-large.

Juggling acceptance of a potential Rhodes Scholar (football player or not), a 6'10", 315 pound lineman with a marginal to sub-standard academic history and a semi-genius with sketchy social skills can't be easy.

Notre Dame has a small (in the 8,000 range) undergraduate student pool. That "demands" an acceptance of not much more than 2,000 per year, if that. Attrition is anticipated and expected, regardless of reason.

Competition for admission to ND grows yearly. How many qualified students do you turn away just to field championship football and basketball teams?

 

[GATTACA!]

THIS THREAD

 

[ulukinatme]

To be the best, you got to beat the best.
That goes for recruiting too.

Obligatory, in Nashville, Tennessee no less:

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[Guest]

I agree that attracting recruits that can win on the field is crucial. What is more crucial is the way in which it is approached and accomplished.

Should the football team community become a separate footsbawl enclave unlike, apart and "elevated" above and beyond the general student population? The value of special skills, be they physical, social or academic, are valid considerations in light of balancing the community-at-large.

Juggling acceptance of a potential Rhodes Scholar (football player or not), a 6'10", 315 pound lineman with a marginal to sub-standard academic history and a semi-genius with sketchy social skills can't be easy.

Notre Dame has a small (in the 8,000 range) undergraduate student pool. That "demands" an acceptance of not much more than 2,000 per year, if that. Attrition is anticipated and expected, regardless of reason.

Competition for admission to ND grows yearly. How many qualified students do you turn away just to field championship football and basketball teams?

So why doesn't ND grow beyond 8000 undergrad students? Most Universities grow over time as they become more popular and the population around them increases.

From 1950 to 1980, ND doubled in enrollment. But since, their enrollment has grown much slower while their admissions requirements grew tighter (IE SAT averages went from 1240 to 1360). So ND has purposely, by recent administration, been held from growing larger while choosing to become a more elite academic institution.

That does not bode well for an elite athletics program and now I can see why people like Urban will not come here. ND will likely never have a championship football team again, even if they manage to win a lot of games and be a 'good' football team.

 

[Domina Nostra]

OSU has gotten to ONE national championship, this year, and now they set a standard. We were there two years ago!!!!

They beat a much, much weaker Alabama team, and still have not beaten Oregon yet!

Once again, the only reality for college football fans is what happened last night... The winners are perfect, the losers suck.

 

[NDRock]

Again, do some of you guys really believe this? Michael Floyd was suspended 0 games for a DUI....Zero. and who cares about Spring ball. Prince Shambo - do I even have to go there?

The thing about Floyd is the DUI happened in March and he was suspended until August. If it would have happened in August, he would have missed at least one game. Whether you agree with that or not is up to you but I understand why he didn't miss any games.

 

[NDRock]

Notre Dame has a small (in the 8,000 range) undergraduate student pool. That "demands" an acceptance of not much more than 2,000 per year, if that. Attrition is anticipated and expected, regardless of reason.

Competition for admission to ND grows yearly. How many qualified students do you turn away just to field championship football and basketball teams?

I'm not sure I understand your point. There are only a finite number of scholarships to go around, why would "normal" students be turned away?

 

[connor_in]

I get that. But losing guys like Hilliard to OSU and Edwards to Stanford has nothing to do with that. I'm not saying become F$U, let's just recruit a little harder.