The sky is not falling

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I think a win over USC/Utah will be enough to convince me that we are going to be back. I'm going to the Utah game with my brother (class of 2001), first game at ND since 2002. I can't wait to step foot back in South Bend. Hope to see some of you there.
 

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I think a win over USC/Utah will be enough to convince me that we are going to be back. I'm going to the Utah game with my brother (class of 2001), first game at ND since 2002. I can't wait to step foot back in South Bend. Hope to see some of you there.

And if they don't win either of those two games? BTW: Hope you get to see a win.
 

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Well, good question. I'll take solice in the fact that I'll get to spend some time with my big bro and his "angry mob" buddies. If they don't win, admittedly, I'll still be a fan, albeit slightly disappointed and dejected. Go Irish!
 

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the sky fell Kelly is the best we can attract and he aint gonna get it done. Face it he wont if we cant puit up a ****ing fight against navy then youre doomed. We are irrelevant, we suck, we will never be good again and will eventually just fade away with maybe a decent season every now and again...thats it learn to deal cause thats the way it is!
 

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The sky isn't falling, but losing to Navy for the third time in four games is really disconcerting. Sure, Navy is a good sound football team with a precise focus on offense and an inspired defense. But, they still have an athleticism and especially size disparity that makes them an underdog in most games. Losing to them now has become a very real possibility with the way things have gone in the past few years and Navy used to be a fun, but nearly assured, win. That too is disconcerting.

Kelly & Co. need to figure out what we do well and do it until we have the personnel to truly run his offense the way he would like. I know he's a good coach, and his system is pretty sweet when is has play makers tailored to fit it. Unfortunately, he doesn't have that right now. He has people from Charlie Weis' pro style attack trying to run it and it produces mixed results.

The defensive scheme is better than under the highly overrated Corwin Brown, but we still lack enough play makers to really make an impact against the good teams. Even with the play makers we do have, in most games the defense stays on the field too long and wears down. Being a transition year under a new coach and regime, we're going to struggle. But, the real problem I think is that we don't have an identity on offense. Are we a high powered passing attack? An efficient running game? Ball control? At times we're all of these things but we are never one thing for very long.

We all need to be patient as Kelly is truly a good coach and eventually his system will produce winning results. But, we've grown accustomed to a new coach coming in and lighting it up with wins like a savior these past several years. This time around, it's back to football 101 and we're going to have to take our lumps while we retool and restore things from the ground up, not just slap a new coat of paint over the old cracks.
 

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I personally don't like the 3-4 defense and just as i feared we suck at that. Yesterday everyone looked like they would rather be home on the couch watch football instead of playing. And coach when some one f-ed up you weren't in there face so were they expecting to get their as beat like that.
 

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I personally don't like the 3-4 defense and just as i feared we suck at that. Yesterday everyone looked like they would rather be home on the couch watch football instead of playing. And coach when some one f-ed up you weren't in there face so were they expecting to get their as beat like that.

i truly can't understand why Kelly didn't yell at anyone yesterday. at least make an attempt to fire up your team. weird aura on that sideline yesterday and in fact a scary one.
 

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Nd football = A bunch of nice choir boys. I believe an ND legend once said that you have to go out and get the thugs. Until then, expect to go 6-6 7-5 every year. Good thing you bought that home in a gated community Kelly.
 

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Maybe he needs to sit some guys with some experience to prove that anyone is replaceable. If you aren't playing good your out. I know it isn't just that easy but damn.
 

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Kelly doesn't just yell mindlessly. He yells when he thinks that there's something to be gained by it---that's why he's a good sidelines coach. In the game's first half, the offense was actually doing pretty well, and yelling was not going to be productive [we saw only a couple of early cases of it]. In that half, however, it was becoming clear that Navy had substantially tweaked its offensive scheme, and the weeks of practice against what "they always run" was not putting the defensive guys in best positions [especially at the dive option power point]. This wasn't the players fault particularly, so no yelling at them. [Some defensive coach should be down on the field doing that sort of thing anyway, not Kelly]. My guess is that sideline/bench "conversations" were intense about this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At halftime, Kelly wasn't happy, but vowed that the defensive staff would adjust to take away some of the veer principles that USN had installed, and if they did, the fact that we were two plays from being ahead [failure at the goal line, and bonehead last "drive" pass interception] , he had some optimism that the staff and players could right the ship [no pun intended]. My guess is that at that point, all of us were nervous, but if the D could be "fixed" we thought so too, and we could win close. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, the D didn't get fixed [it looked like "maybe" it would slow Navy a little, but the fullback rolled again and that released the QB]. Here is where our lack of edge speed really showed up. Plus Ian Williams went down [after a heroic and lonesome effort in the meathouse], and our usual conditioning advantage was no advantage against service academy people who have conditioning as part of their career goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe that Kelly at that moment, when it was obvious that the defense wasn't going to give us a chance [like it had for several weeks], felt pretty powerless to do anything. He has certainly coached teams who were getting an as*-kicking on given saturdays, and he saw the signs that this was one. It WAS disturbing that Diaco and staff couldn't effectively adjust, but that may have been the famous thing that we all have experienced: one team's personnel just doesn't match up with what the other guys do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Things to watch for in my mind: a). how do we respond psychologically, of course; b). how do we do against a lesser or at least different team than Navy [who are the world experts at this offense that we can't handle]; c). most importantly, how disappointed is Coach in Crist? Was the benching simply to get Rees ready for the possibility of an injury to Dayne? Was it rather meant as a wake-up call? [THAT would count as a great deal of "unspoken yelling"]. Or was it a distant Church Bell ringing? [Don't ask for whom the Bell tolls...] This next game will be interesting to say the least-----and to the ship-jumpers: have a good life.
 
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Kelly doesn't just yell mindlessly. He yells when he thinks that there's something to be gained by it---that's why he's a good sidelines coach. In the game's first half, the offense was actually doing pretty well, and yelling was not going to be productive [we saw only a couple of early cases of it]. In that half, however, it was becoming clear that Navy had substantially tweaked its offensive scheme, and the weeks of practice against what "they always run" was not putting the defensive guys in best positions [especially at the dive option power point]. This wasn't the players fault particularly, so no yelling at them. [Some defensive coach should be down on the field doing that sort of thing anyway, not Kelly]. My guess is that sideline/bench "conversations" were intense about this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At halftime, Kelly wasn't happy, but vowed that the defensive staff would adjust to take away some of the veer principles that USN had installed, and if they did, the fact that we were two plays from being ahead [failure at the goal line, and bonehead last "drive" pass interception] , he had some optimism that the staff and players could right the ship [no pun intended]. My guess is that at that point, all of us were nervous, but if the D could be "fixed" we thought so too, and we could win close. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, the D didn't get fixed [it looked like "maybe" it would slow Navy a little, but the fullback rolled again and that released the QB]. Here is where our lack of edge speed really showed up. Plus Ian Williams went down [after a heroic and lonesome effort in the meathouse], and our usual conditioning advantage was no advantage against service academy people who have conditioning as part of their career goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe that Kelly at that moment, when it was obvious that the defense wasn't going to give us a chance [like it had for several weeks], felt pretty powerless to do anything. He has certainly coached teams who were getting an as*-kicking on given saturdays, and he saw the signs that this was one. It WAS disturbing that Diaco and staff couldn't effectively adjust, but that may have been the famous thing that we all have experienced: one team's personnel just doesn't match up with what the other guys do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Things to watch for in my mind: a). how do we respond psychologically, of course; b). how do we do against a lesser or at least different team than Navy [who are the world experts at this offense that we can't handle]; c). most importantly, how disappointed is Coach in Crist? Was the benching simply to get Rees ready for the possibility of an injury to Dayne? Was it rather meant as a wake-up call? [THAT would count as a great deal of "unspoken yelling"]. Or was it a distant Church Bell ringing? [Don't ask for whom the Bell tolls...] This next game will be interesting to say the least-----and to the ship-jumpers: have a good life.

well said as usual OMM. i also like how you broke up your thoughts with dashes vs the one streaming commentary, LOL.
 

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The climb back

The climb back

I don't know if any fan, including myself, can really understand how much trouble this program has been in. Kelly took over a class of players who have gone 3-9, 7-6, and 6-6. I repeat 3-9, 7-6, 6-6! Some fans pointed this Navy whoopin out as the worst loss ever. What about Georgia Tech in the '07 opener - Weis's third year? This has been happening for a long long time. Kelly, I hope, understands that this is going to be a process to instill a certain mentality of toughness, which ND clearly doesn't have. (5 minute plan - not a smart thing to say).They haven't had toughness since Holtz left, in my opinion. This loss does put a stamp on the fact that ND is far from a contending team. That being said, Go Irish!
 

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I am totally disgusted with our performance against Navy. I hope we can get our act together and at least finish the season beating Army and Tulsa. At this point, I don't see anyway we will play competively with Utah and USC. Lets hope that things look up next year.., I for one am done with this year. I look forward to the days where we are a good team again and can win the games we should on a consistent basis.
 

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Hey guys just so you all know that the sky is low but not falling i realized this today we the browns beat the saints. the raiders smoking the broncos in the first half. Like i said ealier you just need the urge to win.
 

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I think a win over USC/Utah will be enough to convince me that we are going to be back. I'm going to the Utah game with my brother (class of 2001), first game at ND since 2002. I can't wait to step foot back in South Bend. Hope to see some of you there.

Thats a joke right?? The loss at home to Utah is going to be absolutely HEINOUS. USC is a legitimate threat to drop 65 on ND.
 

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The sky fell years ago when we lost to cuse in the snow at SB. We are currently are stuck in the fog of terribleness.
 

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I wonder if 'Game Day' will be at the Tulsa game, nah probably not, lets talk about our next national championship, nah probably not, well heck lets talk about maybe beating Army, yes thats a maybe. If this program isnt in trouble then I am Rockne himself. When you talk about Notre Dame football today people around the country dont even make fun at them anymore- its like saying something ill of a sick person. Its about time the admn gets it in gear and sees just what has happened to this football program, nah they are still making $$$. Brian Kelly is a good coach but he's not a magician. This admn has got exactly what it deserves on the football field. A group of nice young men who represent college athletics very well. That seems to be good enough for Notre Dame these days.
 
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Yep. The End. Thats why I'm a DUCK now.

I thought about this and what kept coming up was an old saying, "It's better to be going down the drain than coming up it!"
 

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I thought about this and what kept coming up was an old saying, "It's better to be going down the drain than coming up it!"

What you REALLY mean to say is that ND football is going down the drain and Oregon football is coming up to the surface??? Sweet. I could'nt have said it better.

By the way. Repeat yourself much? You said the same thing in like 5 different threads. LOL at you.
 

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Good points

Good points

How the team bounces back will be telling. If they lay an egg against Tulsa, what does BK do next?

As for the benching of Crist, I saw it as both a chance to get Rees some reps, and to send a not-so-subtle message to Crist that he needs to play better. There is little chance he loses his starting job this season, but BK seems to be telling him his hold on the job next season is not a given.

Things to watch for in my mind: a). how do we respond psychologically, of course; b). how do we do against a lesser or at least different team than Navy [who are the world experts at this offense that we can't handle]; c). most importantly, how disappointed is Coach in Crist? Was the benching simply to get Rees ready for the possibility of an injury to Dayne? Was it rather meant as a wake-up call? [THAT would count as a great deal of "unspoken yelling"]. Or was it a distant Church Bell ringing? [Don't ask for whom the Bell tolls...] This next game will be interesting to say the least-----and to the ship-jumpers: have a good life.
 

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How the team bounces back will be telling. If they lay an egg against Tulsa, what does BK do next?

As for the benching of Crist, I saw it as both a chance to get Rees some reps, and to send a not-so-subtle message to Crist that he needs to play better. There is little chance he loses his starting job this season, but BK seems to be telling him his hold on the job next season is not a given.

I agree with you. I think Crist getting benched is for a couple of reasons. I also am glad to see another quarterback get a few reps. This week is a big week because it will be interesting to see how this team responds after their horrible showing with Navy last week. I'm hoping they bounce back and win this one comfortably.
 
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I thought about this and what kept coming up was an old saying, "It's better to be going down the drain than coming up it!"

What you REALLY mean to say is that ND football is going down the drain and Oregon football is coming up to the surface??? Sweet. I could'nt have said it better.

By the way. Repeat yourself much? You said the same thing in like 5 different threads. LOL at you.
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Just wanted to spread the lovin' around!

That lol thing, do I have something green hanging from my teeth again? (I gotta stop having those salads.)
 
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Just wanted to spread the lovin' around!

That lol thing, do I have something green hanging from my teeth again? (I gotta stop having those salads.)
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Bogtrotter07

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Just wanted to spread the lovin' around!

That lol thing, do I have something green hanging from my teeth again? (I gotta stop having those salads.)
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Just wanted to spread the lovin' around!

That lol thing, do I have something green hanging from my teeth again? (I gotta stop having those salads.)
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I mean no, I don't think I repeat myself too much. Do you think I repeat myself too much?
 
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Actually, Duck, I have to tell you man, I look at IE over the last couple days and it has been amazing. Some real conflict, the ugly kind. So I thought I would clear this up.

I was only talking about ND football. That quote was entirely and only about ND’s past glory. It seems to me after Navy, most people seem hopeless and disconnected from it. I just wanted a quote that said he we have been great. Don’t worry. Things will turn out.

I hate to break it to you, but I wasn’t even thinking about you.

And I really don’t have anything against Oregon. Chip’s a great guy. It seems he has given some players the boot, and look where he is at; better off! More power to him and your team!

I decided to put this post up because I feel that I am being pigeonholed with a few people with whom I would never want to be associated. Please don’t confuse my passion for the kind of personal criticism you occasionally see posted at this site. The way I like to hear it:

If you burn your neighbors house down, it doesn't make your house look any better.
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