The Official Irishenvy Fire Tommy Rees Thread

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm fine with them sticking with Pyne for now, but Rees sure as shit needs to find a way to simplify his playbook and stick with what the kid can handle versus trying to fucking out-smart bad defenses. Why he didn't continue with a similar game plan to that of UNC or BYU is so mind-boggling, that in itself should be fireable. Drew is capable at being efficient enough to beat teams like UNLV, BC, and Navy....as long as Rees calls the correct gameplan and doesn't put it all on his shoulders like he did with Stanford. I mean seriously, WTF. I agree with Lax that there's no upside to sticking with him at this point, but I feel the downside could be 3-9 and losing a huge amount of 2023 class. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not a risk worth taking. Drew isn't the future, but most would agree that Angeli probably isn't either so what's the point?

I know this board has a disdain towards Driskell but they brought up a great point, imo, that Rees is smart.....He's very McVay-ish (which is why sometimes the Rams are amazing but can also be really bad when things arent clicking). But that's a problem when your players can't run the offense you're trying to scheme. They referenced Sark and his quotes about not overcomplicating play calls. Letting your players play fast, etc. It's literally the exact opposite to what Rees tries to do and the results speak for themselves.

 

[Irish4life]

Rees gets fired today, who is calling plays on Saturday?

Curious what the hypothetical plan is. Shove Tom Herman through ND HR? Have fun.

Parker, the TE coach

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Parker, the TE coach

Who is here because WVU demoted him.

 

[Irishcop]

Need to fire both Rees and Pyne. Some of the clips I’ve seen on Twitter today are just unreal. He is not even a MAC level QB.

At this point in time in the season, what do you think about starting Angeli? Not sure if he could do any worse.

 

[anarin]

At this point in time in the season, what do you think about starting Angeli? Not sure if he could do any worse.

The season isn't lost, but I don't see why it would be a bad thing to sprinkle a few series in there for Angeli to get him some tick, and see a small sample size of what he can do. He legit is one play away in a season that's slipping away anyways.

But to just bench Pyne for Angeli? I don't think we've reached that point yet.

 

[NDMatt91]

At this point in time in the season, what do you think about starting Angeli? Not sure if he could do any worse.

Would give Tommy boy the chance to succeed or crash and burn with the guy he absolutely HAD TO HAVE at QB in the 2022 class.

I just don't want to risk it.

 

[NDohio]

I'm fine with them sticking with Pyne for now, but Rees sure as shit needs to find a way to simplify his playbook and stick with what the kid can handle versus trying to fucking out-smart bad defenses. Why he didn't continue with a similar game plan to that of UNC or BYU is so mind-boggling, that in itself should be fireable. Drew is capable at being efficient enough to beat teams like UNLV, BC, and Navy....as long as Rees calls the correct gameplan and doesn't put it all on his shoulders like he did with Stanford. I mean seriously, WTF. I agree with Lax that there's no upside to sticking with him at this point, but I feel the downside could be 3-9 and losing a huge amount of 2023 class. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not a risk worth taking. Drew isn't the future, but most would agree that Angeli probably isn't either so what's the point?

I know this board has a disdain towards Driskell but they brought up a great point, imo, that Rees is smart.....He's very McVay-ish (which is why sometimes the Rams are amazing but can also be really bad when things arent clicking). But that's a problem when your players can't run the offense you're trying to scheme. They referenced Sark and his quotes about not overcomplicating play calls. Letting your players play fast, etc. It's literally the exact opposite to what Rees tries to do and the results speak for themselves.

Saturday was really bad. No excuses for the offense not being successful. However, there was no way the offense was going to be successful running the same thing we ran against UNC/BYU. Stanford really succeeded in their defensive game plan.

Load the box to stop the run. They had more defensive players at the line than ND had blockers.

Double team MM. They put a CB on MM who could run with him and brought an LB to him to deal with his physicality.

This left the WR with 1-1 matchups. When they won those matchups, Pyne missed them.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Why can;t it be Harry Heistand? The other coaches are also inexperienced. Heistand at least looks like a Football Coach LOL. So only a positions coach can be an OC???

BTW, its crazy that Hartline article. OSU thinks he will succeed Ryan Day? GMAFB - Day has many years to go. He is 43 Years Old WTF is that article author thinking...LOL

 

[NDdomer2]

i honestly couldnt think of one single OC that was also the OL coach or started as

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Saturday was really bad. No excuses for the offense not being successful. However, there was no way the offense was going to be successful running the same thing we ran against UNC/BYU. Stanford really succeeded in their defensive game plan.

Load the box to stop the run. They had more defensive players at the line than ND had blockers.

Double team MM. They put a CB on MM who could run with him and brought an LB to him to deal with his physicality.

This left the WR with 1-1 matchups. When they won those matchups, Pyne missed them.

I said similar, not the same. Rees essentially put this on Pyne's arm, which is idiotic given the opposition and the fact that Drew can't handle it (as you noted in your last sentence). Estime, Diggs, and Tyree had what, 25 combined touches? Rees got cute with this game plan and he didn't need to. Stanford is HORRIBLE. The last two weeks, ND's offense found some semblance of an identity. Rees chose to essentially abandon it. Even if his play calls/scheme would've otherwise been successful had the execution been there, the fact that he put this QB and this offense in such position to have no margin for error against such a shitty opponent is grossly incompetent.

 

[Irish#1]

Can't wait until Tommy is gone and we can start ragging on the new OC for not putting up 50 per game.

Tommy's playing calling has been uneven for sure, but Saturday's loss was on the entire team and staff.

 

[Irishdrunk]

i honestly couldnt think of one single OC that was also the OL coach or started as

True as it may be this roster of Coaches is thin based on Mr. Swarbick's meddling. I would bet on Harry over Tommy though. Just do a bunch of post routes with Tobias and you will likely do better than what Boy Genius has done thus far.

 

[thekid33]

No reason to be calling for Freeman's head at this point.

Valid reason(s) to be calling for Rees to go.

Having cooled (a bit) since Saturday night - there's probably no good option to replace him if they do it now. But, it needs to be done after the season.

As far as the rest of the season - Angeli needs to get some time, starting this week.

We can't go into next season with Pyne, untested Angeli and unproven Buchner. Especially if they don't grab anyone from the portal.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

Why can;t it be Harry Heistand? The other coaches are also inexperienced. Heistand at least looks like a Football Coach LOL. So only a positions coach can be an OC???

BTW, its crazy that Hartline article. OSU thinks he will succeed Ryan Day? GMAFB - Day has many years to go. He is 43 Years Old WTF is that article author thinking...LOL

Day may have NFL aspirations what we do not know about and Hartline knows. On the flip side, I also think Hartline would of course say he's not interested in ND bc any speculation that gains legs could hurt Ohio State's recruiting. Nobody knows if Hartline is interested besides Hartline. While I am not certain he would be way better than Rees at calling plays, I can almost guarantee he's a better recruiter, better personality, and likely a better developer of talent. I bet offensive recruiting would go steroid if Hartline were announced as OC. The staff needs to make some changes to excite the recruits and convince people that ND has a bright future bc the program is at a very low place right now. Hartline could help add a transfer QB and he'd have a lot to work with as far as the incoming freshman. If he wants a big HC gig, there's no better way to make a name for yourself that to fix a broken offense on a national stage. ND's offense shouldn't be that hard to fix. Also, would Ohio State actually consider elevating a position coach to HC? I highly doubt that even if he has a lot of potential. If Day leaves, Ohio State will likely go for Fickell.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

i honestly couldnt think of one single OC that was also the OL coach or started as

Justin Frye

 

[Irishdrunk]

Day may have NFL aspirations what we do not know about and Hartline knows. On the flip side, I also think Hartline would of course say he's not interested in ND bc any speculation that gains legs could hurt Ohio State's recruiting. Nobody knows if Hartline is interested besides Hartline. While I am not certain he would be way better than Rees at calling plays, I can almost guarantee he's a better recruiter, better personality, and likely a better developer of talent. I bet offensive recruiting would go steroid if Hartline were announced as OC. The staff needs to make some changes to excite the recruits and convince people that ND has a bright future bc the program is at a very low place right now. Hartline could help add a transfer QB and he'd have a lot to work with as far as the incoming freshman. If he wants a big HC gig, there's no better way to make a name for yourself that to fix a broken offense on a national stage. ND's offense shouldn't be that hard to fix. Also, would Ohio State actually consider elevating a position coach to HC? I highly doubt that even if he has a lot of potential. If Day leaves, Ohio State will likely go for Fickell.

All good points. I think ND will need to do something to convince recruits and ticketholders that we still believe we are a Top 10 program. Right now it isn't looking good.

 

[FOTY977]

I see no way we fire him after one season. If we lose to UNLV we may see the drumbeat so loud that it sinks him for the following season but he will get 2- 3 years. We need to club UNLV.

Nor do we want to. Sink or swim, ND needs to remain a desirable job. We already have the deck stacked against us from within, last thing we need is “fires coaches after a year” in the cons column.

 

[IRISHMAN]

if MF lets TR go then what about dan mullen as the new OC.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

The season isn't lost, but I don't see why it would be a bad thing to sprinkle a few series in there for Angeli to get him some tick, and see a small sample size of what he can do. He legit is one play away in a season that's slipping away anyways.

But to just bench Pyne for Angeli? I don't think we've reached that point yet.

By what possible metric is the season not lost? There is literally no positive outcome left possible. The "best case" is thumping a 6-6 Rutgers team in the Charmin Toilet Bowl to roll to an intimidating 7-6 record

 

[AlaskanIrish]

i honestly couldnt think of one single OC that was also the OL coach or started as

Rare for sure. But maybe Rob Sale is an example? Not exactly on point, I know.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Can't wait until Tommy is gone and we can start ragging on the new OC for not putting up 50 per game.

Tommy's playing calling has been uneven for sure, but Saturday's loss was on the entire team and staff.

Don't want 50, want 30, maybe 17 against a crap Stanford team. This is not unreasonable.

Right now we average 23.7 ppg, Rees should be launched.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Did Kirby and Dabo lose to two teams at home within 6 games while being favored by 20? Guys doesn’t know what he’s doing and it shows visibly and in the results. A top notch QB or even Coan or Book would have guided us to wins against Marshall and Stanford so right now Tommy’s job Ian in his QBs hands so he might want to think hard about rolling the dice with a much more athletic Angeli. Watching what the Purdue 5th string QB is doing with his portal WR Charlie Smith (little white guy) just tells me we don’t know talent and can’t develop it. I didn’t watch the game but read almost the entire board and watched the little bit of highlights or lowlights from the game. We really should have won this game with just one break, one catch of a dropped pass or a non fumble by Payne or Estime. THOMAS should have easily got to the edge on 4th down. To lose the TOP by that much isn’t embarrassing though.

Who can tell me Angeli can’t play better than Pyne did?

We will see Pyne and Tommy do well against UNLV and silence all us naysayers until they both suck again prior to Clemson.

Why do you keep brining up people's skin color? What does that have to do with shit?

 

[Irishcop]

I'm not a huge NFL guy, but I live in Philly and the Eagles offense is what the ND offense should look like. Powerful, athletic, Oline that wants to run first. Solid running backs. Elite tight end. QB who can sling it but also move when he has to. One big WR, and one quick guy in the slot. They're legit.

Sounds great, but we are missing a huge piece of that equation. A QB that can sling it. ND pretty much has every other part.

 

[Sea Turtle]

No reason to be calling for Freeman's head at this point.

Valid reason(s) to be calling for Rees to go.

Having cooled (a bit) since Saturday night - there's probably no good option to replace him if they do it now. But, it needs to be done after the season.

As far as the rest of the season - Angeli needs to get some time, starting this week.

We can't go into next season with Pyne, untested Angeli and unproven Buchner. Especially if they don't grab anyone from the portal.

I don't know anyone who wants Freeman fired. And I'm as hard on him as anyone. I agree that Rees has created a dreadful offense and should move on at the end of the year.

There is no excuse to only score 28 points against a BYU team that just had 50 dropped on them by freaking Arkansas.

No excuse to use the same game plan against Stanford. That's just lazy.

There is so much more to being an OC than just calling plays. And Rees has failed at everything that doesn't include a whiteboard.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

What established OC is going to want to work for Freeman? I'm not saying he is a bad coach or won't be good. But it would be extremely risky for a seasoned guy to come in and work with Freeman.

 

[FOTY977]

What established OC is going to want to work for Freeman? I'm not saying he is a bad coach or won't be good. But it would be extremely risky for a seasoned guy to come in and work with Freeman.

Someone who values autonomy and wants to perform on a big stage on the way to a HC job?

 

[BeatSC]

I don't know anyone who wants Freeman fired. And I'm as hard on him as anyone. I agree that Rees has created a dreadful offense and should move on at the end of the year.

There is no excuse to only score 28 points against a BYU team that just had 50 dropped on them by freaking Arkansas.

No excuse to use the same game plan against Stanford. That's just lazy.

There is so much more to being an OC than just calling plays. And Rees has failed at everything that doesn't include a whiteboard.

Allow me to introduce myself……

 

[BeatSC]

If we finish under .500 who wouldn’t want Urban in 2023? Virtue signalers need not respond. I want a proven winner even if he is a tarnished choirboy.

 

[IRISHMAN]

If we finish under .500 who wouldn’t want Urban in 2023? Virtue signalers need not respond. I want a proven winner even if he is a tarnished choirboy.

even if urban came here he never sticks around very long and i dont think UM and Jack S. would see eye to eye on much.

 

[ndfanatic78]

No matter what happens this year I want Freeman to have 4 years. I want him to have his choice at OC. If he fails he fails but no matter what there should be some talent here for whoever is next. Unless there is a total collapse of this defense there is no way Freeman is going to be fired at the end of the season. THERE IS NO WAY URBAN MEYER EVER COACHES A DOWN AT ND, as a head coach. He won't do it. ND won't hire.