Tennessee has 34 commits

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Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2014 Tennessee Commitments

The A&M of 2013-2014. I know sometimes sites still list commits who have been dropped by the schools due to academics (kind of the opposite of how some sites refuse to list IM as a ND commit), but this is just ridiculous.

A&M ended up with 31 last year for the record. Western Kentucky had 32.
 

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Makes you wonder if they are at 34 now, how many prospects do they still have on the radar?
 

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You guys haven't been paying attention to our "Oversigning is a Myth" members.

Looking at that list at Irishfan's link, I'd say 4 maybe 5 of that crowd are JUCOs that are counters against previous classes. That only leaves UTN 25% over the limit with 2 months to go.
 
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You guys haven't been paying attention to our "Oversigning is a Myth" members.

Looking at that list at Irishfan's link, I'd say 4 maybe 5 of that crowd are JUCOs that are counters against previous classes. That only leaves UTN 25% over the limit with 2 months to go.
Correction: They have until August to make room at the latest :)
That is plenty of time for academic or public misconduct, violation of team rules, etc..
 

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UT has had a lot of departures, drops, etc. since the new regime arrived. Not saying in any way they aren't over signing, but most UT fans (I'm a mild one), expected a very large class. You also obviously have more turnover when dealing with Juco players purely because they are 2 year players.
 

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Yes as long as they were 16 under 85 schollies last year.

I am probably wrong here, but I was under the impression they can only count the 16 against the previous class until the previous class totals 25 recruits and still satisfies the 85 limit. So in this case, they would have only signed/enrolled 9 last year? I see that the signed 22, but that doesn't include any EE's.
 
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I am probably wrong here, but I was under the impression they can only count the 16 against the previous class until the previous class totals 25 recruits and still satisfies the 85 limit. So in this case, they would have only signed/enrolled 9 last year? I see that the signed 22, but that doesn't include any EE's.

I think that 85 scholarship athletes is the number at any time. So if they were applying 16 EEs to last years class, then sometime after January and before August this year, 16 spots were available. Then the graduating class leaves/transfers which will allow them to apply the other 18 to this year totaling 85

Or it could be 34 players left the team this year. Seems legit.
 

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I am probably wrong here, but I was under the impression they can only count the 16 against the previous class until the previous class totals 25 recruits and still satisfies the 85 limit. So in this case, they would have only signed/enrolled 9 last year? I see that the signed 22, but that doesn't include any EE's.

85 is the magic number I believe. The 25 doesn't factor in iirc.
 

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I am probably wrong here, but I was under the impression they can only count the 16 against the previous class until the previous class totals 25 recruits and still satisfies the 85 limit. So in this case, they would have only signed/enrolled 9 last year? I see that the signed 22, but that doesn't include any EE's.

Yes, this all is correct I believe. The SEC signed a rule a year or two ago that schools can only sign 25 guys per year. So as you said, if 16 guys are enrolling early, does that mean they only had 9 recruits last year who weren't EEs? And how many who were EEs? At some point, the numbers wont add up one would think, but this is the SEC (SEC! SEC!) so who knows?

I forgot they changed it from 28 to 25, so props for knowing that.
 

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Well isn't this relevant:

Q&A with ESPN’s Tom Luginbill on Tennessee recruiting, its growing class and Butch Jones- Knoxblogs.com

There are two rules for which there are no loopholes: Tennessee can only offer 25 new scholarships — “initial counters” in NCAA lingo — in each class, and the maximum number of players on scholarship cannot exceed 85.

So how does Tennessee plan to sign 30 if the limit is 25? Teams are allowed to “count back” the scholarships of midyear enrollees as long as the 25-scholarship limit is not exceeded in any single year. The Vols counted two of their 22-man class in 2013 against the 2012 scholarship limit.

This year, UT will count five players against the 2013 class and then take a full 25 in the 2014 class.

So that brings the Vols to 30. But what about 31? Or 32, 33 or 34, if UT keeps adding more verbal commitments?

There are some strategies that teams can use to manage overflowing classes:

Gray-shirting: A grayshirt agrees to delay his enrollment for at least one semester to count against the following year’s class.

In this case, a prospect would agree to push back enrollment from the summer of 2014 to January 2015. Grayshirting can be a great solution for a player who is rehabilitating a serious injury or who needs time to mature physically. But the player must be self-motivated, working out on his own and paying his own way to take classes for a semester.

Blue-shirting: This scheme was originated by New Mexico State but has not been practiced widely around the nation. Here’s how it works: Officially, a player arrives in the summer as a walk-on. Once football practice begins, he’s awarded a scholarship. The school is allowed to count the scholarship forward — against the 2015 class — but the player can play immediately.

There’s a big catch: The student-athlete may not have been recruited, as defined by NCAA bylaws. That means no official visit to campus, no in-home visits from coaches, no signed National Letter of Intent or athletic aid.

Only a handful of players, if any, would meet that criteria.
 

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